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[Weaverjho]

Screw your top secret Grey Warden missions, if you'd helped Hawke fight the Qunari threat then he/she wouldn't have died horribly and Kirkwall would've survived.
Oh wait, Alistair and his two or three guys were completely non-essential to defeating the Arishok!

[Suron]

Wereparrot wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

Where do you think they get their supplies and stuff? The city, sillykins. There are plenty of perfectly ordinary reasons why a group of Grey Wardens would be in any given city. For all you know, they may have been scouting for recruits. Hell, is it ever even said where their headquarters is? It may be in the city itself, it's certainly near enough that Grace's cronies were able to abduct your sibling from there.

Incidentally, the Deep Roads are thick with darkspawn when they aren't massing on the surface. The Wardens would have to have a deathwish if they wanted to go down there... which is usually what they have when they do, incidentally. Bartrand's venture only made it as far as they did because they took the opportunity to venture into the Deep Roads before the hoard had completely returned to the depths after the Blight.

You're clutching at staws in your first paragragh and defending the Wardens from cowardice in the second, which is an accusation which I have not made. I think you are taking my statement too far. The Warden was in Kirkwall and I do not care why; I only know that my Hawke, and I, am disgusted by his stance.

The Wardens are band of murderers, thieves, and the like.  The Calling shows this.  Duncan showed this..he was nothing more then a petty thief.  The Wardens were going to KILL Cailan if they felt he might just simply SEE a "weakness" in them...they're blown up to be these great heroes....yes yes..only they can defeat an archdemon..unless plot dictates otherwise...however that doesn't excuse the crap they pull...so I agree to an extent.

however it IS possible that whatever they were doing WAS more important...they could have very well been tracking down some WORLD ending, trite, thing BioWare comes up with....I think the entire world is more important then Kirkwall and some Qunari invaders.

but whatever..the Wardens are stupid.  I pray we NEVER play one again...or if we do it's at least by choice.

[Patriciachr34]

Wereparrot wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

Where do you think they get their supplies and stuff? The city, sillykins. There are plenty of perfectly ordinary reasons why a group of Grey Wardens would be in any given city. For all you know, they may have been scouting for recruits. Hell, is it ever even said where their headquarters is? It may be in the city itself, it's certainly near enough that Grace's cronies were able to abduct your sibling from there.

Incidentally, the Deep Roads are thick with darkspawn when they aren't massing on the surface. The Wardens would have to have a deathwish if they wanted to go down there... which is usually what they have when they do, incidentally. Bartrand's venture only made it as far as they did because they took the opportunity to venture into the Deep Roads before the hoard had completely returned to the depths after the Blight.

You're clutching at staws in your first paragragh and defending the Wardens from cowardice in the second, which is an accusation which I have not made. I think you are taking my statement too far. The Warden was in Kirkwall and I do not care why; I only know that my Hawke, and I, am disgusted by his stance.

The wardens say they can't stay to help because they are on an important mission.  If they were just passing through, recruiting, etc.  I might agree with you.  However, their mission obviously takes precedence over aiding Hawke.  Besides, Hawke seems to have things well in hand.  The warden isn't being a coward, he simply has other priorities.

[The Angry One]

Naitaka wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

I also don´t understand why the grey wardens didn´t intervene, it is not like they get many recruits from the qunari, and defending the city would help them get support and better reputation for the order. It is as if a dragon attacked kirkwall, then the wardens said "sorry i am neutral i can´t help you" and leave. The grey wardens have no relations with the qunari that we know of (In origins sten says that he only knows legends). The only real reason that they may have for leaving is because they are in a hurry, so that if they stop to fight they don´t make it in time.

I'd agree with you if the Qunari go "Errrrrgh...ARgggggghHHH" *huff* *huff* But well, they don't. Who's to say the next Blight won't start in Par Vollen? What are the Wardens going to do then when they were the one that help killed their Arishok?

Because the Qunari show resentment and not respect to those who kick their ass.
owait

[Naitaka]

The Angry One wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

I also don´t understand why the grey wardens didn´t intervene, it is not like they get many recruits from the qunari, and defending the city would help them get support and better reputation for the order. It is as if a dragon attacked kirkwall, then the wardens said "sorry i am neutral i can´t help you" and leave. The grey wardens have no relations with the qunari that we know of (In origins sten says that he only knows legends). The only real reason that they may have for leaving is because they are in a hurry, so that if they stop to fight they don´t make it in time.

I'd agree with you if the Qunari go "Errrrrgh...ARgggggghHHH" *huff* *huff* But well, they don't. Who's to say the next Blight won't start in Par Vollen? What are the Wardens going to do then when they were the one that help killed their Arishok?

Because the Qunari show resentment and not respect to those who kick their ass.
owait

Fair point, but they also don't like people who act out of their given roles.

[Wereparrot]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

If the Wardens are anything like competent, they should always be seaching these 'old gods' out. I don't see why Wardens aren't always on the offensive. As for the Warden in Kirkwall: if what he was doing was important then what was he even doing in Kirkwall? He doesn't think the qunari invasion is a more pressing and immediate concern?

Where do you think they get their supplies and stuff? The city, sillykins. There are plenty of perfectly ordinary reasons why a group of Grey Wardens would be in any given city. For all you know, they may have been scouting for recruits. Hell, is it ever even said where their headquarters is? It may be in the city itself, it's certainly near enough that Grace's cronies were able to abduct your sibling from there.

Incidentally, the Deep Roads are thick with darkspawn when they aren't massing on the surface. The Wardens would have to have a deathwish if they wanted to go down there... which is usually what they have when they do, incidentally. Bartrand's venture only made it as far as they did because they took the opportunity to venture into the Deep Roads before the hoard had completely returned to the depths after the Blight.

You're clutching at staws in your first paragragh and defending the Wardens from cowardice in the second, which is an accusation which I have not made. I think you are taking my statement too far. The Warden was in Kirkwall and I do not care why; I only know that my Hawke, and I, am disgusted by his stance.

The wardens say they can't stay to help because they are on an important mission.  If they were just passing through, recruiting, etc.  I might agree with you.  However, their mission obviously takes precedence over aiding Hawke.

I don't buy it. Nothing is more important at that particular moment than saving the city. 

[Patriciachr34]

@Suron...Wow! Someones been taking angry pills. My wardens were not thieves, cut throats or murders (well maybe the dwarf commoners). They are not stupid and were not planning on killing Cailin. Just exactly what game were you playing because it wasn't the one I played?

[Naitaka]

Patriciachr34 wrote...

@Suron...Wow! Someones been taking angry pills. My wardens were not thieves, cut throats or murders (well maybe the dwarf commoners). They are not stupid and were not planning on killing Cailin. Just exactly what game were you playing because it wasn't the one I played?

He/she was reading the Calling, and yes, the Warden were pretty villainous in that novel

[The Angry One]

Naitaka wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

I also don´t understand why the grey wardens didn´t intervene, it is not like they get many recruits from the qunari, and defending the city would help them get support and better reputation for the order. It is as if a dragon attacked kirkwall, then the wardens said "sorry i am neutral i can´t help you" and leave. The grey wardens have no relations with the qunari that we know of (In origins sten says that he only knows legends). The only real reason that they may have for leaving is because they are in a hurry, so that if they stop to fight they don´t make it in time.

I'd agree with you if the Qunari go "Errrrrgh...ARgggggghHHH" *huff* *huff* But well, they don't. Who's to say the next Blight won't start in Par Vollen? What are the Wardens going to do then when they were the one that help killed their Arishok?

Because the Qunari show resentment and not respect to those who kick their ass.
owait

Fair point, but they also don't like people who act out of their given roles.

Eh, the Arishok seems perfectly happy with female Hawke running around cracking skulls and burning things rather than preaching sermons or farming broccoli and such.

[Naitaka]

The Angry One wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

I also don´t understand why the grey wardens didn´t intervene, it is not like they get many recruits from the qunari, and defending the city would help them get support and better reputation for the order. It is as if a dragon attacked kirkwall, then the wardens said "sorry i am neutral i can´t help you" and leave. The grey wardens have no relations with the qunari that we know of (In origins sten says that he only knows legends). The only real reason that they may have for leaving is because they are in a hurry, so that if they stop to fight they don´t make it in time.

I'd agree with you if the Qunari go "Errrrrgh...ARgggggghHHH" *huff* *huff* But well, they don't. Who's to say the next Blight won't start in Par Vollen? What are the Wardens going to do then when they were the one that help killed their Arishok?

Because the Qunari show resentment and not respect to those who kick their ass.
owait

Fair point, but they also don't like people who act out of their given roles.

Eh, the Arishok seems perfectly happy with female Hawke running around cracking skulls and burning things rather than preaching sermons or farming broccoli and such.

Because she's not of the Qun...yet :happy: Remember how Sten was pissed whenever you do something that doesn't involve his sword, and killing Darkspawn?

Modifié par Naitaka, 23 mars 2011 - 07:21 .

[YunikoYokai5]

My theory is that they may have discovered a new Old God or something. Personally, preventing another Blight (the sole reason the Grey Warden's exist is to fight the Darkspawn/Archdemon) is far more important than defending a city. As someone said, Wardens must be neutral to all. They aren't allowed to get involved in civil wars or times of unrest because then, if a Blight occurs somewhere in a land they are enemies with, they cannot do their job. I understood why the Warden's left to carry out their mission.

[DirewolfX]

Wereparrot wrote...

Does it matter? Put it like this: if I was in Paris and the city was attacked, then I would ally myself with the Parisians, despite not actually being French myself.

So you'd surrender?

[NKKKK]

JA

But seriously, it depends who's attacking Paris, maybe the french had it coming?

[DJ0000]

Someone said that The Clalling says that the Grey Warden's know where the Old Gods are. Is that really true?

If so, how?

[NKKKK]

Maybe they can know because of the "Calling" itself, they traced the Old Gods using their minds.

[Naitaka]

DJ0000 wrote...

Someone said that The Clalling says that the Grey Warden's know where the Old Gods are. Is that really true?

If so, how?

Apparently it's in the Grey Warden record and the First Warden knows their exact location. How they got that information though was not explained... [conspiracy] Imho, I've always suspected that Flemeth had a hand in the formation of the Warden Order. [/conspiracy]

[NKKKK]

And like I said, maybe the Swiss are right, maybe the French have been dicks and deserve this?

Who are an order that has nothing to do with your country to say who's right?

[earl of the north]

I was surprised when the Grey Wardens said no, to my first Hawke......but thinking about it why exactly should they help one faction in an internal struggle, the Qunari have been living in Kirkwall for years at this point so from the GW's point of view they aren't invading Kirkwall, they are attempting to stage a coup and take control of the city.

Should the GW help the mages in the Templar vs Mages conflict, should the GWs help the Nobility overthrow the Templars, should they help the Qunari seize control?

My answer is no to all of the above, the GWs exist for one reason to fight darkspawn and slay archdemons......not to be a crusading force of good guys and not to involve themselves in the internal struggles of nations, unless it effects their mission.

Modifié par earl of the north, 23 mars 2011 - 07:43 .

[DJ0000]

Naitaka wrote...

DJ0000 wrote...

Someone said that The Clalling says that the Grey Warden's know where the Old Gods are. Is that really true?

If so, how?

Apparently it's in the Grey Warden record and the First Warden knows their exact location. How they got that information though was not explained... [conspiracy] Imho, I've always suspected that Flemeth had a hand in the formation of the Warden Order. [/conspiracy]

Thanks. Flemeth is involved in everything lol.

[NKKKK]

Flemeth is everyone's momma.

lulwat?

[DJ0000]

thurmanator692 wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

DJ0000 wrote...

Someone said that The Clalling says that the Grey Warden's know where the Old Gods are. Is that really true?

If so, how?

Apparently it's in the Grey Warden record and the First Warden knows their exact location. How they got that information though was not explained... [conspiracy] Imho, I've always suspected that Flemeth had a hand in the formation of the Warden Order. [/conspiracy]

And before people go all "why you no stop blights before they happen??"
think about it.
If they go Archdemon hunting, whos to say the Darkspawn wont follow them?
better to leave them hidden than draw unwanted attention

To me it seems that with only two left, it may be worth raising an army and killing at least one of them. Or wait untill just one is left. Although, the Warden's may then accidentally corrupt the god themselves.

I bet that there is at least a little discussion between the Wardens that they should do it.