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[Arppis]

simfamSP wrote...

What were they talking about? Is there an other blight? Is there a new Darkspawn threat? My GOD! The Genlocks and Shrieks are gone!

No, they just don't get mixed with politics.

[Wereparrot]

DirewolfX wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Does it matter? Put it like this: if I was in Paris and the city was attacked, then I would ally myself with the Parisians, despite not actually being French myself.

So you'd surrender?

LOL!

Modifié par Wereparrot, 23 mars 2011 - 08:04 .

[Drz]

Nathaniel Hawke mentions that the architecht is alive and say he has allies he can't really talk about. Are the Grey Wardens creating Disciples to get a Warden+Disciple force going on?

[Critical Miss]

I put one and one together and got eleven. Wardens were obviously busy with something. I talked to Sandal after the Arishok business and he said he saw an old lady standing by his bed, with a mean laugh. I got the feeling Flemeth was in Kirkwall. So I figured the Wardens were after her.

[Mabari Owns High Dragon]

I'm convinced the Arch Demon has some connection to the idol and what happened with all the Demons and Blood Mages in Kirkwall... This all has some dark connection I'm not sure were gonna make till the third one.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

Even if both remaining Old Gods die, the Wardens will not immediately disband. The Darkspawn also attack the surface in "ragtag bands", raiding for women of all races to form Broodmothers.

I don't see this stopping, just because there are no more Archdemons. The Wardens will have to find and destroy ALL such breeding pits (such as the Dead Trenches and Kal'Hirol) before the Darkspawn threat is truly eradicated.

In order to do this, the Wardens must remain politically neutral. Warden's Keep showed what happens when GWs get involved in Politics. It's not right or wrong, simply necessary.

Just imagine Origins if Maric had not agreed to allow them back in.

[leggywillow]

The Angry One wrote...
Eh, the Arishok seems perfectly happy with female Hawke running around cracking skulls and burning things rather than preaching sermons or farming broccoli and such.

Although if you have to get Fenris to persuade him to duel, the Arishok scoffs a bit and says "You're trying to convince me to fight a woman?".  He'll do it anyway, but I thought it was a pretty nice touch.

[The Angry One]

Hm.. I never get that. Maybe because he likes me already. "This is what respect looks like!"

[Lithuasil]

The Angry One wrote...

Hm.. I never get that. Maybe because he likes me already. "This is what respect looks like!"

Clearly, for the arishok to duel a five foot girl in a dress is a sign of honor and respect

Ot: Righteous Grey Wardening I presume.

[artsangel]

The Angry One wrote...

Hm.. I never get that. Maybe because he likes me already. "This is what respect looks like!"

You only need Fenris to persuade the Arishok to duel you if Isabela doesn't come back with the book.

[The Angry One]

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hm.. I never get that. Maybe because he likes me already. "This is what respect looks like!"

Clearly, for the arishok to duel a five foot girl in a dress is a sign of honor and respect

Ot: Righteous Grey Wardening I presume.

One would assume the girl in a dress is a mage, alls fair when the other side can cast fireballs.
Otherwise, my gal in plate can handle a big smelly Qunari thank you! All muscle and no grace.

[captain.subtle]

The entire story per se is a mess. It is as if Bioware writers forgot everything that they had done in DA:O and just started with something completely new. And ****ty new. They should really feel ashamed. I am severely disappointed. Not buying another Bio game unless it really shines.

[CrazyGobstopper]

Wereparrot wrote...

I don't buy it. Nothing is more important at that particular moment than saving the city.

That opinion is based solely on an extremely limited perspective.  It's a fair supposition that some have made that those particular Wardens were delevering Avernus's research to Weisshaupt.  However, we don't know that for certain.  In fact, we know absolutely nothing about their mission.  You have only an opinion that their mission was not more important than Kirkwall, but you have nothing to base that on without knowing details of the mission.  Since we also don't know the full details of Avernus's research, even that "simple" courier assignment may have been far more important in the long run to the Warden Order than an internal political situation in Kirkwall.

That is, after all, the responsibility of the Wardens: to plan long-term in relation to the darkspawn, and to do everything in their power to stop a Blight.  The situation in Kirkwall at that time is of no consequence to the Wardens.

Wereparrot wrote...

You're clutching at staws in your first paragragh [...]. The Warden was in Kirkwall and I do not care why;
I only know that my Hawke, and I, am disgusted by his stance.

The other poster wasn't "clutching at straws" at all.  The suggestion that the Warden was possibly in Kirkwall to acquire  resources is, in fact, quite a rational one.  As for your "disgust," well, I'm sure that Warden just feels oh-so-sorry for not intervening in an internal political struggle and instead carrying on his rightful duties.

Modifié par CrazyGobstopper, 23 mars 2011 - 10:49 .

[Lithuasil]

The Angry One wrote...
One would assume the girl in a dress is a mage, alls fair when the other side can cast fireballs.
Otherwise, my gal in plate can handle a big smelly Qunari thank you! All muscle and no grace.

Sounds exactly like something a Qunari would say, given they're immune to fire on nightmare, if I recall correctly 

[don.rosetti]

if your whole purpose is to stop a blight and thus saving a continent or even mankind and you´re on a mission not known to the general public who on earth would bother saving a single city if it may conflict with your objective?

think about the perspective - help hawke save city / do warden whatever

i´d say fcuk kirkwall...

[Wereparrot]

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

Even if both remaining Old Gods die, the Wardens will not immediately disband. The Darkspawn also attack the surface in "ragtag bands", raiding for women of all races to form Broodmothers.

Not really. The Grey Wardens are not needed other than to kill Achdemons. Anyone can fight darkspawn and broodmothers.

[Vhaius]

The Grey Wardens are protecting all of Thedas, Qunari included, the petty squabbles of other nations are none of their concern, a hundred or so Qunari are hardly going to wreak havoc on the Free Marches.

[Anna Rardin]

Naitaka wrote...

DJ0000 wrote...

Someone said that The Clalling says that the Grey Warden's know where the Old Gods are. Is that really true?

If so, how?

Apparently it's in the Grey Warden record and the First Warden knows their exact location. How they got that information though was not explained... [conspiracy] Imho, I've always suspected that Flemeth had a hand in the formation of the Warden Order. [/conspiracy]

Huh... I wonder if maybe Leliana (and the Orlais Chantry) are looking for The Warden for this very reason? Maybe they are trying to prevent another event like what happened with Bregan in The Calling. Since our Warden is the Grey Warden Commander he/she would know where the Old Gods are... and is missing... Just something to mull over P:

[PPR223]

Wereparrot wrote...

Another_Golden_Dragon wrote...

Even if both remaining Old Gods die, the Wardens will not immediately disband. The Darkspawn also attack the surface in "ragtag bands", raiding for women of all races to form Broodmothers.

Not really. The Grey Wardens are not needed other than to kill Achdemons. Anyone can fight darkspawn and broodmothers.

Well I'd say the ability to resist an extremely painful death would be preferable to not having it.

[CrazyGobstopper]

Wereparrot wrote...

Not really. The Grey Wardens are not needed other than to kill Achdemons. Anyone can fight darkspawn and broodmothers.

They might not be as necessary to the elimination of "garden variety," to say, Darkspawn, but no one knows more about the 'spawn than the Wardens.  No one else is as well prepared as the Wardens are. 

Also, on the topic of disbanding that another poster mentioned: since the Order does essentially rule the Anderfels, it's highly unlikely the Wardens would disband after the last Archdemon is out of the picture.  No one gives up such power willingly.

Modifié par CrazyGobstopper, 23 mars 2011 - 10:52 .

[The Angry One]

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
One would assume the girl in a dress is a mage, alls fair when the other side can cast fireballs.
Otherwise, my gal in plate can handle a big smelly Qunari thank you! All muscle and no grace.

Sounds exactly like something a Qunari would say, given they're immune to fire on nightmare, if I recall correctly 

Are they? Haven't tried Nightmare much. The game outright cheats. 
Oh well, there's always frost spells.

[Lithuasil]

The Angry One wrote...


Are they? Haven't tried Nightmare much. The game outright cheats. 
Oh well, there's always frost spells.

I think so - not that I'd know, I spent both mage-playthroughs doing the same thing I did for eight Arena seasons in WoW - hanging back, crowd controlling a little, healing a little, while someone else does the majority of the healing, and an off-warrior does all the work

[The Angry One]

Lithuasil wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


Are they? Haven't tried Nightmare much. The game outright cheats. 
Oh well, there's always frost spells.

I think so - not that I'd know, I spent both mage-playthroughs doing the same thing I did for eight Arena seasons in WoW - hanging back, crowd controlling a little, healing a little, while someone else does the majority of the healing, and an off-warrior does all the work

My mage is all Blood Mage/Force Mage, 100% crowd gathering and aoe damage. Fun as hell but... really horrible for the Arishok duel other than trapping him with Gravitic Ring.

On topic: Didn't the Architect say he found another Old God, but left it alone?
Maybe the Wardens are racing the Darkspawn to that.

Modifié par The Angry One, 23 mars 2011 - 11:07 .