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[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Actually noble parties would be a good way to get allies from a clearly angry group of people. Especially if he's the one doing all the inviting (and cleaning up all Isabela's filthy carvings on the walls...ugh).
So I doubt he did even that.

 

Sadly they were inviting him. 

Poor Hawke. Having to go to the boring noble parties and actually carry a conversation with someone outside his few friends. Poor baby.  

Sigh.
I can rant of all the things Hawke could have done and didn't even try. The situation was ripe for a real rise to power and he didn't sieze the opportunity. 

And now, I have a headache.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Sigh. 
I can rant of all the things Hawke could have done and didn't even try. The situation was ripe for a real rise to power and he didn't sieze the opportunity. 

And now, I have a headache.

Aw...sorry Knight. Didn't mean to give you a headache.  

Maybe Hawke'll be smarter in the expansion? 

[Lewie]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

louise101 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

louise101 wrote...
That legitimacy wouldn't work without majority support.

Which is a political leverage

So the demons in Kirkwall are win  

Or more accurately, Kirkwall is fail.

Kirkwall is always to blame when it suits. No-one suddenly has any responsibility.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Sigh. 
I can rant of all the things Hawke could have done and didn't even try. The situation was ripe for a real rise to power and he didn't sieze the opportunity. 

And now, I have a headache.

Aw...sorry Knight. Didn't mean to give you a headache.  

Maybe Hawke'll be smarter in the expansion? 

Implying that there might be an expansion with more Hawke in it made the headache worse Ryzaki

I'd rather skip the expansions and get a completely new protagonist. Preferrably a Tevinter.

[TEWR]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
depends on what you want. I've got some soda, water, Gatorade, rum, lemonade, rum, juice, and oh yea rum!


what can I say, I'm a pirate.

*swoops in and steals he Gatorade*

Fix'd. 

at least it wasn't my rum. I have a rivalry with this ninja who keeps stealing my rum. Every time it happens, I sing this:

[KnightofPhoenix]

louise101 wrote...
Kirkwall is always to blame when it suits. No-one suddenly has any responsibility.

Well when I say Kirkwall, I imply its residents and not the physical city itself, though apparently the writers think it's smart to make the veil thin there to justify the amount of stupid and lunacy it had.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Implying that there might be an expansion with more Hawke in it made the headache worse Ryzaki 

I'd rather skip the expansions and get a completely new protagonist. Preferrably a Tevinter.

My bad.  

It might be interesting to get the perspective of a slave owner.If we do have to start of as a Tevinter I expect our class to heavily influence where we start off. None of this "nearly everyone ignoring the fact that Hawke's a mage" crap. 

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
at least it wasn't my rum. I have a rivalry with this ninja who keeps stealing my rum. Every time it happens, I sing this:

Lawl. 

So we're in a friendship then? Since I can safely steal the gatorade?  

Not to fond of rum though. So you need not fear me stealing that. The soda on the other hand...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...


It might be interesting to get the perspective of a slave owner.If we do have to start of as a Tevinter I expect our class to heavily influence where we start off. None of this "nearly everyone ignoring the fact that Hawke's a mage" crap. 

I think it can work for two origins. One of a commoner, and the other of an apprentice to a magister.

[TEWR]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Implying that there might be an expansion with more Hawke in it made the headache worse Ryzaki 

I'd rather skip the expansions and get a completely new protagonist. Preferrably a Tevinter.

My bad.  

It might be interesting to get the perspective of a slave owner.If we do have to start of as a Tevinter I expect our class to heavily influence where we start off. None of this "nearly everyone ignoring the fact that Hawke's a mage" crap. 

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
at least it wasn't my rum. I have a rivalry with this ninja who keeps stealing my rum. Every time it happens, I sing this:

Lawl. 

So we're in a friendship then? Since I can safely steal the gatorade?  

Not to fond of rum though. So you need not fear me stealing that. The soda on the other hand...

friends we be. just don't try to take my Vault soda. I will defend that to the death just like the Qunari would defend the gaatlok.

[Silfren]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Oh, I certainly hope so.

If the fan base is vocal enough, it should happen. I doubt there would have been a Witch Hunt or a resurrected Leliana if there wasn't a significant fan base that wanted to see more of the character. I would imagine an expansion would be the most likely to see his return and get some finality to his story. He has built up a fan base since Awakening.

I think of it in two ways: Hawke lets Anders live, and they aid the mage revolution, with Anders having knowledge about a powerful explosive and possibly other knowledge because of Justice's longevity (which is the same reason Merrill was willing to deal with Audacity in Year Seven). Or Anders is killed and Hawke tries to persuade Sebastian to be more pro-mage via Starkhaven. I pretty much see it as my two options.

I liked Anders since Awakening, and I find it a little amusing that The Warden that I went through Origins and Awakening with was pragmatic but more of a Libertarian, and argued with Wynne for the mages being free of the Chantry, but Anders voiced against leaving the Chantry. I reconcile it because of Karl, though. Karl's letters likely changed his perspective. Given some of the decisions that my Warden made - sparing the Anvil, telling Avernus to continue - I don't think he would really disagree with Anders' pro-mage views or his underground work. As for what he did, I think he would accept him (he certainly accepted people who tried to kill him before). I think the issue is very complicated. I always had it in mind that the underground took mages to Amaranthine, where The Warden was Arl (for RP reasons, but I don't think it's implausible otherwise). It seems like he returned from the Eluvian, after all. He would likely argue that Tevinter is worth a shot to see if Anders and Justice could be separated.

Hawke is a bit too reactive for my liking, but I've gone Friendship with Anders because I didn't disagree with the view on mages (and my Hawke was an apostate). I feel like Anders lost a friend in The Warden when he left for Amgarrak, likely lost Sir Pounce-A-Lot because of Stroud (based on what he says about them being even now), and learned he might lose Karl, too. He doesn't seem to have anyone left, and then he has to kill Karl because he's begging to die than live out the rest of his days as a puppet. That's certainly going to change someone. There seems to be a lot of darkness in his life. I don't honestly know what the future would hold for him, but I'd imagine that the resistance would likely be what he would focus on if he was spared.

Completely agreed on the reactive Hawke bit.  How the hell someone so passive can rise to power is beyond me.  More like they just saw power lying on the ground somewhere and decided to grab it.  Or more likely were told to grab it.

Since retroactively seeing all the Origins and Awakening party banter that hinted at DA2, I'm now paying close attention to dialog in game.  I'd like a DLC that explores how Anders merged with Justice and fled to Kirkwall from Amaranthine.  "You can't imagine what I've come through to get here."  Right now I'm just anxiously awaiting whatever DLC is currently in the works that Gaider promises isn't being rushed.  

I really can't come up with anything for Anders other than taking a leadership role in the revolution he triggered.  A quest to separate him from Justice would be interesting, but with a war on, there's more pressing matters, I'd think.  Hmm.  I wonder if heading up the revolution would bring him into direct conflict with Leliana...

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

louise101 wrote...
That legitimacy wouldn't work without majority support.

Which is a political leverage

*Breaks out the popcorn to watch the circular discussion*

*joins in*

want some candy?

Totally.  This is like, the roundest roundabout conversation EVAR.

Have some drink?  Got some absinthe around here somewheres...

depends on what you want. I've got some soda, water, Gatorade, rum, lemonade, rum, juice, and oh yea rum!


what can I say, I'm a pirate.

Hey, rum is good.  Oh, hey, I think it's time I made some s'mores.

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
friends we be. just don't try to take my Vault soda. I will defend that to the death just like the Qunari would defend the gaatlok.

Very well. I shall leae the Vault soda be.  *grabs non-vault soda* 

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I think it can work for two origins. One of a commoner, and the other of an apprentice to a magister. 

Hm...would the commoner be a slave? It would be interesting to start the game as a slave to a particular douchebag magister. The same one you would be an apprentice too if you were a mage .

Heck maybe you and the mage ned to run off somewhere for some reason (maybe you both lost the magister's favor due to the mage (or the PC) screwing up a ritual.So then the two of you have to complete some quest together to regain the magister's favor. The PC's character will replace either the mage or slave. And the other can be a full companion that you only get if you play the other character. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 02:25 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I think it can work for two origins. One of a commoner, and the other of an apprentice to a magister. 

Hm...would the commoner be a slave? It would be interesting to start the game as a slave to a particular douchebag magister. The same one you would be an apprentice too if you were a mage .

Heck maybe you and the mage ned to run off somewhere for some reason (maybe you both lost the magister's favor due to the mage (or the PC) screwing up a ritual.So then the two of you have to complete some quest together to regain the magister's favor. The PC's character will replace either the mage or slave. And the other can be a full companion that you only get if you play the other character. 

Not necessarily, there are free citizens in Tevinter that are not mages. But that can work too why not.

But yea, that's exactly the kind of thing I was thinking. To have two characters that have to be in the story, and you choose to be one or the other. If you choose to be the mage (or an apprentice), than the slave would be the companion and vice versa.

And it might be as awesome a tale of a rise to power as that of Umayyad prince Abd al-Rahman al-Dakhil with his servant and friend Badr, as they escape the Abbasids and establish the Umayyad emirate in Spain almost on their own.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 mai 2011 - 02:32 .

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Not necessarily, there are free citizens in Tevinter that are not mages. But that can work too why not. 

But yea, that's exactly the kind of thing I was thinking. To have two characters that have to be in the story, and you choose to be one or the other. If you choose to be the mage (or an apprentice), than the slave would be the companion and vice versa.

And it might be as awesome a tale of a rise to power as that of Umayyad prince Abd al-Rahman al-Dakhil with his servant and friend Badr, as they escape the Abbasids and establish the Umayyad emirate in Spain almost on their own.

True and there are mages who are slaves as well. I just wanted there to be a severe difference in status between the mage and non-mage PC. 

I just hope they don't pull a Carver/Bethany with the companion and have them vanish near the middle of the game just to reappear during the ending. That's pretty lame. 

I have no clue who that is (*is an ignorant American*) but they sound interesting. 

[LobselVith8]

Silfren wrote...

I wonder if heading up the revolution will bring him into direct conflict with Leliana.

Doesn't Anders ask an apostate Hawke to head up the revolution? I could be mistaken, but I had the feeling this was actually going to be part of the story. Given the short story where Anders got stabbed with a sword and shrugged it off, I thought he would be a clandestine weapon for the mage faction. If Cassandra made the point of acknowledging that the mages see Hawke as a hero, then perhaps they can guide it.

I'd imagine the Resolutionists would approach Anders and Hawke once they departed from the Gallows. Speaking of which, to get to your question, I wonder if Cassandra and Leliana will be addressed in DLC or an expansion (hopefully with a pro-active Hawke). I get the feeling the two Seekers could be reserved for DA3, since I can't imagine a confrontation with a pro-mage Hawke and Anders will go over well since the templars are hunting all the mages down.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
I have no clue who that is (*is an ignorant American*) but they sound interesting. 

I checked the McGill Islamic Studies Library and I was horrified when I found out that there is only one translated book written about him and it's by a Frenchman in the 70s.

I am going to have to correct that

But yea, they are awesome.

[Silfren]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

I wonder if heading up the revolution will bring him into direct conflict with Leliana.

Doesn't Anders ask an apostate Hawke to head up the revolution? I could be mistaken, but I had the feeling this was actually going to be part of the story. Given the short story where Anders got stabbed with a sword and shrugged it off, I thought he would be a clandestine weapon for the mage faction. If Cassandra made the point of acknowledging that the mages see Hawke as a hero, then perhaps they can guide it.

I'd imagine the Resolutionists would approach Anders and Hawke once they departed from the Gallows. Speaking of which, to get to your question, I wonder if Cassandra and Leliana will be addressed in DLC or an expansion (hopefully with a pro-active Hawke). I get the feeling the two Seekers could be reserved for DA3, since I can't imagine a confrontation with a pro-mage Hawke and Anders will go over well since the templars are hunting all the mages down.

My Hawke is bloody sick of being expected to deal with everybody else's ****.  Anders started the bloody war, he can damn well lead the thing, even if he does think she ought to.  At least that's my mage Hawke's opinion. 

Damnit.  Now I'm going to spend the night wondering how Anders story would continue past DA2.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I checked the McGill Islamic Studies Library and I was horrified when I found out that there is only one translated book written about him and it's by a Frenchman in the 70s. 

I am going to have to correct that

But yea, they are awesome.

Only one? Yeesh. 

And yeah if they're awesome it'd be nice to play a similar acting protagonist. 

Hawke was too...reactive. (as others have said) I don't like just reacting. It's not interesting, it's not fun. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 02:51 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Silfren wrote...
My Hawke is bloody sick of being expected to deal with everybody else's ****.  Anders started the bloody war, he can damn well lead the thing, even if he does think she ought to.  At least that's my mage Hawke's opinion. 

I wonder who is more of an idiot. Hawke, or Anders for thinking that Hawke is the leader mages need. 

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Silfren wrote...
My Hawke is bloody sick of being expected to deal with everybody else's ****.  Anders started the bloody war, he can damn well lead the thing, even if he does think she ought to.  At least that's my mage Hawke's opinion. 

I wonder who is more of an idiot. Hawke, or Anders for thinking that Hawke is the leader mages need. 

Anders wins hands down. Hawke at least didn't try to drum up conflict and leave the mages out to dry. Hawke's stupidity only really affected Kirkwall. Anders' affected the world. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 02:53 .

[Lewie]

Silfren wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

louise101 wrote...
That legitimacy wouldn't work without majority support.

Which is a political leverage

*Breaks out the popcorn to watch the circular discussion*

*joins in*

want some candy?

Totally.  This is like, the roundest roundabout conversation EVAR.

Have some drink?  Got some absinthe around here somewheres...

depends on what you want. I've got some soda, water, Gatorade, rum, lemonade, rum, juice, and oh yea rum!


what can I say, I'm a pirate.

Hey, rum is good.  Oh, hey, I think it's time I made some s'mores.

Please dont link what i said and ignore the replies i made for lols and attention. Find another source to laugh at i stand by any decision i have made and i don't use it at the expense of other people in here.

[Silfren]

louise101 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

louise101 wrote...
That legitimacy wouldn't work without majority support.

Which is a political leverage

*Breaks out the popcorn to watch the circular discussion*

*joins in*

want some candy?

Totally.  This is like, the roundest roundabout conversation EVAR.

Have some drink?  Got some absinthe around here somewheres...

depends on what you want. I've got some soda, water, Gatorade, rum, lemonade, rum, juice, and oh yea rum!


what can I say, I'm a pirate.

Hey, rum is good.  Oh, hey, I think it's time I made some s'mores.

Please dont link what i said and ignore the replies i made for lols and attention. Find another source to laugh at i stand by any decision i have made and i don't use it at the expense of other people in here.

I wasn't laughing at you.  I was amused by the back-and-forth of both yourself and KnightofPhoenix going around without progression, not mocking anything either of you were saying.  

[TEWR]

mmmm.....s'mores...... *drools profusely*

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
Only one? Yeesh. 

And yeah if they're awesome it'd be nice to play a similar acting protagonist. 

Hawke was too...reactive. I don't like just reacting. 

Picture this.
You're an Umayyad prince, within a Caliphate that stretched from Central Asia to Spain. The Abbasids (a rival Qurayshi clan to whom I am related) unleashed a revolution from Iran and Iraq and defeated the Umayyads and started massacring all of them (long story).

You are in Syria, you escape the massacre with the help of your servant Badr (but see your own younger brother get killed before your eyes). You escape to Egypt, crossing the Sinai desert with almost nothing. You continue to evade the Abbasids in Egypt, travel to Algeria, where the ruler there also attempts to assassinate you. You then flee to Morocco to meet up with your mother's berber tribe and ally with them.

Then you go to war torn and divided Spain and rally up the Umayyad mawali (clients). You ally with one tribe, the Yemeni, fighting another tribal confederation, the qaysis. You defeat the Qaysis, only to have the Yemeni turn on you on the instigation of the Abbasids who killed your family. You crush them (and he personally joined the fight and he did something pretty epic and worthy of being in a movie or game. Of course he then had 7000 prisoners beheaded on the spot). Then you deal with several other revolts including from your own nephews (whom he kills).  Eventually, your relationship with your lifelong friend Badr deteroriates and it ends on a bad note (self imposed exile).

And in all this bittersweetness, sweat, blood, tears and political intrigue, you found one of the most brilliant states and civilizations in the medieval era.

How awesome would a game with a protagonist like that be?

EDIT: oh and how can I forget. He was so badass, that his Abbasid rival counterpart, Abu Ja'afar al-Mansur, called him "Saqr Quraysh": the Falcon of Quraysh.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 mai 2011 - 03:04 .

[Silfren]

I love the strangely...mellow...direction the thread has suddenly taken.