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[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Silfren wrote...
My Hawke is bloody sick of being expected to deal with everybody else's ****.  Anders started the bloody war, he can damn well lead the thing, even if he does think she ought to.  At least that's my mage Hawke's opinion. 

I wonder who is more of an idiot. Hawke, or Anders for thinking that Hawke is the leader mages need. 

Anders wins hands down. Hawke at least didn't try to drum up conflict and leave the mages out to dry. Hawke's stupidity only really affected Kirkwall. Anders' affected the world. 

On the otherhand, Ander's stupidity can be explained for reasons of insanity and spirit encroachement.

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

mmmm.....s'mores...... *drools profusely*

*growls protectively over her s'mores*

[TEWR]

I think it's obvious what we're all doing to make us so mellow.

[Silfren]

...That would explain a lot in my case given the particular smell in my apartment complex's hallway.

[TEWR]

Silfren wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

mmmm.....s'mores...... *drools profusely*

*growls protectively over her s'mores*

*tosses many cookies far away from the s'mores for Silfren*

[Silfren]

...You honestly think cookies are an upgrade over s'mores?

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Picture this.
You're an Umayyad prince, within a Caliphate that stretched from Central Asia to Spain. The Abbasids (a rival Qurayshi clan to whom I am related) unleashed a revolution from Iran and Iraq and defeated the Umayyads and started massacring all of them (long story).

You are in Syria, you escape the massacre with the help of your servant Badr (but see your own younger brother get killed before your eyes). You escape to Egypt, crossing the Sinai desert with almost nothing. You continue to evade the Abbasids in Egypt, travel to Algeria, where the ruler there also attempts to assassinate you. You then flee to Morocco to meet up with your mother's berber tribe and ally with them.  

Then you go to war torn and divided Spain and rally up the Umayyad mawali (clients). You ally with one tribe, the Yemeni, fighting another tribal confederation, the qaysis. You defeat the Qaysis, only to have the Yemeni turn on you on the instigation of the Abbasids who killed your family. You crush them (and he personally joined the fight and he did something pretty epic and worthy of being in a movie or game. Of course he then had 7000 prisoners beheaded on the spot). Then you deal with several other revolts including from your own nephews (whom he kills).  Eventually, your relationship with your lifelong friend Badr deteroriates and it ends on a bad note (self imposed exile).

And in all this bittersweetness, sweat, blood, tears and political intrigue, you found one of the most brilliant states and civilizations in the medieval era.

How awesome would a game with a protagonist like that be?

EDIT: oh and how can I forget. He was so badass, that his Abbasid rival counterpart, Abu Ja'afar al-Mansur, called him "Saqr Quraysh": the Falcon of Quraysh.

 

Sounds awesome. 

But due to being a video game I could go without losing my bestfriend. I need some happiness or I get depressed. 

The Falcon of Quraysh? Pardon my ignorance but is that particularly signficant? Could you explain? (I know I could google it but they usually don't give as good information as a direct source. Plus there's always hte chance someone is posting incorrect info.) 

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
On the otherhand, Ander's stupidity can be explained for reasons of insanity and spirit encroachement. 

True and on the rivalry path he's downright having his body hijacked. 

Hawke's just lazy. 

So I'd rank Hawke dumber than Rival Anders but smarter than Friendship Anders. 


And cookies > s'mores. Period. Especially chocolate chip. 

*snatches the cookies* 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 03:09 .

[TEWR]

these are special cookies, with a secret ingredient. And they have rum added in for a nice kick. Plus they're free.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
Sounds awesome. 

But due to being a video game I could go without losing my bestfriend. I need some happiness or I get depressed.

Could be dependent on choices you make. Badr was not too happy with the occasional (and necessary I will add) ruthlessness his friend displayed. 

The Falcon of Quraysh? Pardon my ignorance but is that particularly signficant? Could you explain? (I know I could google it but they usually don't give as good information as a direct source. Plus there's always hte chance someone is posting incorrect info.)

Quraysh is an Arabian tribe from which Prophet Muhammad came from. And it was the tribe (specifically, clans and families within that tribe) that dominated Arab-Islamic politics, both de facto and then only de jure until the collapse of the Abbasid Caliphate at the hands of the Mongols in 1258 (well it was still in Egypt until the Ottomans in the 16th century but meh, lost too much of its power to be relevent).

Both the Umayyads and the Abbasids are clans from the same Qurayshi tribe. So it was a show of respect between two Qurayshi rivals and seemingly an admittance of how impressive Abd al-Rahman was.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Could be dependent on choices you make. Badr was not too happy with the occasional (and necessary I will add) ruthlessness his friend displayed. 

Ah. That would be a nice touc. 

Quraysh is an Arabian tribe from which Prophet Muhammad came from. And it was the tribe (specifically, clans and families within that tribe) that dominated Arab-Islamic politics, both de facto and then only de jure until the collapse of the Abbasid Caliphate at the hands of the Mongols in 1258 (well it was still in Egypt until the Ottomans in the 16th century but meh, lost too much of its power to be relevent).

Both the Umayyads and the Abbasids are clans from the same Qurayshi tribe. So it was a show of respect between two Qurayshi rivals and seemingly an admittance of how impressive Abd al-Rahman was.

Oh I see. 


Wow this thread came to a standstill? Impressive. 

[HSHAW]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wow this thread came to a standstill? Impressive. 

It's more impressive that it took 108 pages to do so.

[Rifneno]

[quote]Xilizhra wrote...

Was Tarohne an abomination, though? She summoned one, but I noticed no hint of her becoming one.[/quote]

Her whole deal was turning people into vessels for demons, so it seems a reasonable assumption.  Only seen one other guy like that (Uldred), and he turned into a pride demon when push came to shove.

[quote]Sylvianus wrote...

Well otherwise It's technically false that say the Chantry is evil. 

The Chantry helped at Lothering the people when his lord and his army abandoned the village. These are Chantry and Templars who managed the city, helping refugees to flee.

The same thing in Redcliffe. The Chantry has done an admirable job. Generous, courageous in times facing the imminent arrival of darkspawn or zombies.[/quote]

You might find this article enlightening: http://www.cracked.c...ime-syndicates/

The real world isn't always black and white either. But one of the biggest druglords and copkillers in history is still an evil man no matter how much stuff he builds for the poor and homeless. So you must ask yourself how much charity could the Chantry possibly do to counterbalance the damage they do elsewhere? How many people died in the needless Exalted Marches (free irony: the mages being oppressed are the only reason the march against the qunari was successful)?

To add to this, I have my doubts that the true heads of the Chantry are involved in these charities. It's generally some low ranking members doing this stuff. The most telling thing though is Val Royeaux. The grand headquarters of the chantry is right next to "the most dilapidated alienage in Thedas, with over ten thousand elves living in an area roughly equivalent in size to the market in Denerim." They're building themselves marble statues while starving people live on top of each other.

[quote]Silfren wrote...

Why thank you!    Also, my personal theory regarding Justice and Anders vs Wynne and Faith hinges on what Isabela herself said in banter with Anders.  Justice as a concept can't properly exist in a world of people.  You see in Awakening that Justice can't comprehend the idea of owning a pet.  Also, his agitation over Aura.  He was so hellbent on making amends for Aura's anguish over their first meeting that the idea of it being an even greater injustice to insist on forcing himself on her rather than letting her alone was something he couldn't conceive of.  He seems rather locked into having a reaction for every action, as if justice is nothing more than a scale for balancing one action against another, but things just can't work that way in contextual situations involving people. 
I'd expect the corruption of faith would be fanaticism, and perhaps the difference between Anders and Wynne is that she on the whole was a wiser and more serene person than Anders.  But then again maybe Faith as a pure concept has a greater chance of co-existing with human complexity than that of Justice.
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Hmm. Well I don't know if "forcing himself on her" is really a proper description. It's usually a prettied up way of saying rape, but he just wanted to apologize to her for something he had no willing part in and tell her he's going to kill the darkspawn responsible for her husband's death. She seems better off for it too. At least as well as expected for having just lost a spouse. As for the cat I think he was just confused because the Fade doesn't have animals like that. He doesn't understand it's more of a mentorship than slavery, one that benefits the animal more than its "master." Not sure on Wynne, but if spirits are so pure then I think any human would be poison to them.

[quote]Silfren wrote...

The poster you're replying to has a habit of this.  Get used to it.[/quote]

Yep. I don't even read Emp or Dave's posts anymore. Intelligent debate is fun. Belligerent spin isn't.

[quote]Sylvianus wrote...

You don't assume your line, or you do not know what you say. You follow the same logic as the pro-Templars. You do not realize or did you refuse to admit it.[/quote]

And yet you always seem to be arguing with the pro-mage side. Odd how people proclaiming neutrality never actually display it. Almost as if they're lying to give their arguments a false credibility.

[quote]Silfren wrote...

Oh, the stories I could tell...(practicing pagan here.  Which makes the anti-religion label rather funny, but there you go).[/quote]

Ahh, love stories with no explanation. Did you know deer and cows always face north or south while eating? We know how they figure out north from south, but not why they care to face it while grazing. Or the Antikythera Mechanism. It's a little device they found in a 2,000 year old shipwreck. It's used to calculate astronomical positions. The problem is, it includes multiple technologies and discoveries that weren't known for hundreds, sometimes over a thousand years later. Sometimes you just have to wonder if God is screwing with us...

[quote]IanPolaris wrote...

There are so many referecnes to the ability to learn bloodmagic outside of demons that I wonder if Emperorer is just being willfully blind and stubborn on this point. No one quesitons that most bloodmages do learn from demons, but most is not all.[/quote]

Hate to get involved in the "can blood magic be learned other ways?" thing (mostly because it's just arguing with Emp)... but it's bothering me wanting to point out the word "learn." They always say learn, meaning it's something that can be taught. If it could *only* come from demons (or dragon-gods) then the word would be something like given or granted. They'd be given an ability rather than learning it. So yeah...


[quote]Ryzaki wrote...

Patch 1.03 needs to hurry up so I can have Anders heal me why I'm doing the RoA. I'm lonely without him. Bethany doesn't heal as well.  [/quote]

They shouldn't "fix" that.  Anders helping with the RoA is possibly the only thing that could make Act III even more nonsensical.

[quote]louise101 wrote...

So how else does a demon get a 'window' into Thedas. Its not a coffee and a bun. Blood magic 'shifts' the viel... it had an immediate effect on the fade think about why that is. All i have seen of it is mind control, demons/abominations/shades and used for kidnap. I doubt demons in the next city would be much different.[/quote]

Then you... have very poor deductive reasoning skills. These mages are severely oppressed and abused in a place where demons have so much influence they can mess with even non-mages in the old Tevinter bloodtunnels under the city. If you don't see how that means that they don't represent what a free mage in Denerim would be like...

[quote]Silfren wrote...

...You honestly think cookies are an upgrade over s'mores?[/quote]

Is anything?!

[quote]The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

these are special cookies, with a secret ingredient. And they have rum added in for a nice kick. Plus they're free.[/quote]

Ahh, now I'm reminded of that conversation about the templars grinding up lyrium statue Meredith and cooking her in brownies.

[Sylvianus]

And yet you always seem to be arguing with the pro-mage side. Odd how people proclaiming neutrality never actually display it. Almost as if they're lying to give their arguments a false credibility.

You make me laugh with "my" lies and your theories.

Rifleno I do not care what you think. If there is someone whom I care the least, it's you or Siilfren. It is useless to talk. I try to talk with reasonable people or pragmatic. Do not talk to me, it's not complicated. You consider yourself any enemy who is not on your side. It's not worth going further thank you.

The only thing I advocate is that there is no right or wrong decision in DA2.
I do not support murder and terrorism.

And I do not like the fool view of good against evil. No there has never been a side totally totally innocent and bad in another dragon age. I try to restore the truth about the chantry.

Yes I chose the camps because of the Templars, IT is the game, but I'm not with them.

I care about the case of mages, but it's not because I do not think exactly like you, that i'm with templars. .

In short, if you have nothing to say interesting, we finish it. Move on.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 14 mai 2011 - 05:27 .

[IanPolaris]

Sylvianus wrote...

The only thing I advocate is that there is no right or wrong decision in DA2.

What?  Not even the choice to sell Feynriel's soul to Torpor?  You wouldn't consider that to be a 'wrong' or 'immoral' decision?  What about sending Fenris back into slavery?

-Polaris

[Silfren]

[quote]Rifneno wrote...


Hmm. Well I don't know if "forcing himself on her" is really a proper description. It's usually a prettied up way of saying rape, but he just wanted to apologize to her for something he had no willing part in and tell her he's going to kill the darkspawn responsible for her husband's death. She seems better off for it too. At least as well as expected for having just lost a spouse. As for the cat I think he was just confused because the Fade doesn't have animals like that. He doesn't understand it's more of a mentorship than slavery, one that benefits the animal more than its "master." Not sure on Wynne, but if spirits are so pure then I think any human would be poison to them.[/quote]

....It never would have dawned on me that anyone would apply that meaning outside of a conversation actually about rape.  I was referring to Aura running off and Justice begging to be allowed to go after her to make amends even though there's a rather strong argument to be had that shoving her dead husband's corpse in her face would only make things worse.  There's too many people so utterly lacking in the concept of boundaries that they're willing to push themselves in people's face even when they're obviously unwanted.  That's what I meant about Justice forcing himself on Aura.  The thing about cats too.  I don't think a personified ideal would be capable of grasping context. 

There's so many inconsistencies that it's hard to pin down a sound theory with no holes.  I mean, apparently Wynne isn't possessed the same way Anders is, but being "controlled" by her spirit from the Fade.  I don't understand how it can be called possession if the spirit isn't physically present within a person.  The same was the case for Connor, too, though.  Gah. 
[quote]Rifneno wrote...
[quote]Silfren wrote...

Oh, the stories I could tell...(practicing pagan here.  Which makes the anti-religion label rather funny, but there you go).[/quote]

Ahh, love stories with no explanation. Did you know deer and cows always face north or south while eating? We know how they figure out north from south, but not why they care to face it while grazing. Or the Antikythera Mechanism. It's a little device they found in a 2,000 year old shipwreck. It's used to calculate astronomical positions. The problem is, it includes multiple technologies and discoveries that weren't known for hundreds, sometimes over a thousand years later. Sometimes you just have to wonder if God is screwing with us...
[/quote]
I wonder if now is a good time to point out I'm a huge conspiracy junkie, but I don't bother with that boring political **** like who killed JFK or whether 9/11 was an inside job.  I'm allllll about reptile aliens being the masterminds behind all of human history and operating behind the scenes to keep us all enslaved to the grand illusion we call life.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...
[quote] Silfren wrote...
...You honestly think cookies are an upgrade over s'mores?[/quote]

Is anything?![/quote]

Heart attack on a platter Homemade buttermilk pancakes.  Maybe.

[quote]The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

these are special cookies, with a secret ingredient. And they have rum added in for a nice kick. Plus they're free.[/quote]

Ahh, now I'm reminded of that conversation about the templars grinding up lyrium statue Meredith and cooking her in brownies.
[/quote]

....I don't even wanna know.

Modifié par Silfren, 14 mai 2011 - 05:32 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

IanPolaris wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

The only thing I advocate is that there is no right or wrong decision in DA2.

 What about sending Fenris back into slavery?

-Polaris

Once you realize that he willingly accepted what happened to him in exchange for the money and freedom his family did get (and an opportunity for his sister, an elf, to actually be a magister), it could be argued that sending Fenris back is fullfilling the contract he willingly had with Danarius, otherwise his family would be punished for his transgression.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 mai 2011 - 05:32 .

[Silfren]

Sylvianus wrote...

And yet you always seem to be arguing with the pro-mage side. Odd how people proclaiming neutrality never actually display it. Almost as if they're lying to give their arguments a false credibility.

You make me laugh with "my" lies and your theories.

Rifleno I do not care what you think. If there is someone whom I care the least, it's you or Siilfren. It is useless to talk. I try to talk with reasonable people or pragmatic. Do not talk to me, it's not complicated. You consider yourself any enemy who is not on your side. It's not worth going further thank you.

The only thing I advocate is that there is no right or wrong decision in DA2.
I do not support murder and terrorism.

And I do not like the fool view of good against evil. No there has never been a side totally totally innocent and bad in another dragon age. I try to restore the truth about the chantry.

Yes I chose the camps because of the Templars, IT is the game, but I'm not with them.

I care about the case of mages, but it's not because I do not think exactly like you, that i'm with templars. .

In short, if you have nothing to say interesting, we finish it. Move on.

Move along, nothing more to see here, folks.  Just more nonsensical rambling about us wacko pro-mage extremists. 

I can't wait till I'm old enough to not be held accountable for any actions I take.  Thirty more years and I can find a bell tower...!

[Rifneno]

Sylvianus wrote...

You consider yourself any enemy who is not on your side.

When you were accusing everyone of not understanding what you said, did you happen to consider that what you say often makes no sense whatsoever? Because I'm at a loss here.

And I do not like the fool view of good against evil. No there has never been a side totally totally innocent and bad in another dragon age.

Riiiiiight. The Countress, modeled after a serial killer who made Jeffery Dhalmer look like a Disney character, wasn't simply evil. Morbid curiosity. Go ahead, tell us how the villagers of the Blackmarsh had it coming somehow.

[IanPolaris]

Rifneno wrote...

Riiiiiight. The Countress, modeled after a serial killer who made Jeffery Dhalmer look like a Disney character, wasn't simply evil. Morbid curiosity. Go ahead, tell us how the villagers of the Blackmarsh had it coming somehow.

What's really funny was the Countess as an evil, heartless, and brutal Pride demon was actually TONED DOWN from the real person that was her model.

-Polaris

[Ryzaki]

For the love of pete.

Look if you don't think someone's getting it ignore them. It's not difficult. Don't respond to them, don't even read their posts if it irritates you to the point of wanting to rant.

And no this isn't directed towards anyone in particular.

Let them argue at the wall.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 mai 2011 - 05:44 .

[IanPolaris]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

The only thing I advocate is that there is no right or wrong decision in DA2.

 What about sending Fenris back into slavery?

-Polaris

Once you realize that he willingly accepted what happened to him in exchange for the money and freedom his family did get (and an opportunity for his sister, an elf, to actually be a magister), it could be argued that sending Fenris back is fullfilling the contract he willingly had with Danarius, otherwise his family would be punished for his transgression.

I dunno.  That seems reeeally reaching for me.  Of course I tend to view slavery as morally wrong regarldless.  (Forced servitude is another matter....for example forced servitude as judicial punishment doesn't bother me at all).

-Polaris

[KnightofPhoenix]

Rifneno wrote...
Riiiiiight. The Countress, modeled after a serial killer who made Jeffery Dhalmer look like a Disney character, wasn't simply evil. Morbid curiosity. Go ahead, tell us how the villagers of the Blackmarsh had it coming somehow.

I'd prefer to use words as insane and tremendously vain. Or simply Orlesian

What is more interesting however is that Anders was impressed by her and almost sexually aroused even. Food for thought.

[Silfren]

IanPolaris wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

The only thing I advocate is that there is no right or wrong decision in DA2.

 What about sending Fenris back into slavery?

-Polaris

Once you realize that he willingly accepted what happened to him in exchange for the money and freedom his family did get (and an opportunity for his sister, an elf, to actually be a magister), it could be argued that sending Fenris back is fullfilling the contract he willingly had with Danarius, otherwise his family would be punished for his transgression.

I dunno.  That seems reeeally reaching for me.  Of course I tend to view slavery as morally wrong regarldless.  (Forced servitude is another matter....for example forced servitude as judicial punishment doesn't bother me at all).

-Polaris

Gonna go out on a limb here and hazard that Sylvanius meant no right or wrong as in correct or incorrect, rather than moral rightness or wrongness.

[KnightofPhoenix]

IanPolaris wrote...
I dunno.  That seems reeeally reaching for me.  Of course I tend to view slavery as morally wrong regarldless.  (Forced servitude is another matter....for example forced servitude as judicial punishment doesn't bother me at all).

-Polaris

Well think of it this way. If Danarius escapes (or if he dies, he is an important Magister afterall), there is a very high chance that Fenris' family would be punished for something they didn't do or choose. In fact, I would be surprised if it didn't happen.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
I dunno.  That seems reeeally reaching for me.  Of course I tend to view slavery as morally wrong regarldless.  (Forced servitude is another matter....for example forced servitude as judicial punishment doesn't bother me at all).

-Polaris

Well think of it this way. If Danarius escapes (or if he dies, he is an important Magister afterall), there is a very high chance that Fenris' family would be punished for something they didn't do or choose. In fact, I would be surprised if it didn't happen.

And why would Fenris care about what happened to his w**** traitor of a sister?