KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Because Hawke was a useless lazy good for nothing. And because Anders didn't think it was even possible (and he said that). Many who support Anders' act always seem to forget that the game explicitly mentionned that he is losing control and is becoming paranoid. He is not sane and sober. So how can anyone genuinely agree with what he is doing? Difference between sympathy (and I do sympathize with him) and genuine agreement.
Hawke is lazy and useless because the plot demands it for this ridiculously long prologue calling itself a complete game. Part of the reason it's so hard to role play: because our hands are constantly tied by the plot.
As for Anders, just because Justice is screwing him up doesn't mean he can't ever be right about something.
He could have rallied the Ferelden refugees, the populace and nobility who dislike Meredith, the guards who also dislike Meredith, merchant's guild and Templars like Thrashk who we know are against Meredith from Act 2. I say relatively peaceful, because Meredith had to be ousted by force. But the sheer amount of factions that could have been rallied against her is staggering, due to her incompetence, and that would have avoided the chaotic situation Anders created.
This was certainly not possible after Best Served Cold. The mages and templars willing to rebel against Meredith were slaughtered because Grace used them as a weapon against Hawke.
And that could have been used as a platform for gradual reform vis a vis the mage issue. Because such an unprecendented event of having mages, nobles, commoners and even Templars fight together against a regime they deem to be oppressive, could have led to important changes.
Or the Divine launches an exalted march because Kirkwall has "fallen to magic." I think that one's more likely.
IanPolaris wrote...
So true. For the record, while I think Anders was largely right, I DON'T agree with what he did and never have. In fact I am with the pro-templar people in calling what he did an open act of terrorism.
A buzzword with no true definition. I don't really consider it such because the target was not an innocent third party, nor was his intent to incite terror. Were innocents killed? Of course. But how many innocents are killed in any battle, war, rebellion, ect.?
Silfren wrote...
That's not really the "pro-templar" position, even though there's a tendency among that crowd to try to paint the pro-mage position as either pro-terrorism or pro-pretending it wasn't terrorism.
The vast majority of people in the pro-mage camp also, from what I've seen, consider what he did an act of terrorism and unacceptable, unjustifiable. That's why he gets shanked in the majority of pro-mage playthroughs.
I can see that position. I killed him too on my first playthrough. I only changed my mind after hearing that dialogue I mentioned earlier. Having heard that, I'm only angry he didn't let me help with the fireworks.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
It is a defiance of the system. In fact it's an even bigger one because it showed that mages can rally up mass support and can sork multilaterally with other social groups. That's the biggest challenge to the entire system, as the premise of the system is that the exclusion and seperation of mages from the rest of society is necessary and can't be otherwise.
It's not a defiance of the system. Meredith was breaking the rules herself, giving her the boot and setting things back to normal only shows a support for the same broken system that put her in power in the first place.
IanPolaris wrote...
True, but if the Divine/Chantry launched an Exalted March against Kirkwall AGAINST a popular uprising that cut accross groups and started reasonable reforms, that almost CERTAINLY would have sparked a mage revolt if that's what BW wanted for their story.
I disagree. The mages aren't just holding back because they haven't been outraged, they're holding back because they haven't seen that a RoA can be successfully fended off. Besides, the Chantry would probably just give the world some **** and bull story about how they were all being controlled by blood magic.
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
we need to hire Male Hawke's VA. Quickly everyone, we must join forces to make a better game!
Wha? I've only played FemHawke because her VA is so much better.
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