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[Sylvianus]

Xilizhra wrote...

stop telling people who side with the templars that they are morally repugnant. At this point, I'm sick of reading it, It's an insult, an attack, and a violation of the ToS for this board.

Oh, we're not saying that. Only their Hawkes are morally repugnant.

Do not let yourself be intimidated by these people too emotional Jpag. The exagerration does not serve them.

When you see that many of them decide to let live a terrorist, to remains friend with him, their characters may appear equally repugnant. " Hey Ousama ben La den , it was dude, you got blown up a building, but I love you much anyway. "

This is the kind of immaturity that we can get out if we play this stupid game like them.

And my Hawk begin again willingly if it was redone. He did his duty.
I am indifferent to what you say because you refuse to take into account the hardness of the situation and what it implies.

Then people do not have the same vision of Mages, for me the whole batch is rotten. Kirkwall is cursed.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 mai 2011 - 10:08 .

[DKJaigen]

@Sylvianus

The only genocide i see in this thread is your horrible massacre of the english language. plz stop.

But to be serious i find this whole talk of genocide a bit tiresome. especially when they start blabbering about rules of the U.N. charter. I find RoA incredibly stupid because meredith was still in control of the circle when chantry was blown up. She lost it after she called for the RoA

[Sylvianus]

DKJaigen wrote...

@Sylvianus

The only genocide i see in this thread is your horrible massacre of the english language. plz stop.

But to be serious i find this whole talk of genocide a bit tiresome. especially when they start blabbering about rules of the U.N. charter. I find RoA incredibly stupid because meredith was still in control of the circle when chantry was blown up. She lost it after she called for the RoA

Hey, another pro-mage who has nothing useful to say, either you are exaggerating, or you fall into the paranoia of the Dev's conspiracy against mages or make comments outside the subject. "You, the bad guys who helped the Knights Templar, you're disgusting, blah blah."

Finally, apart from insulting others, you are not saying much I feel.

This kind of comment, has little place on this forum full of strangers and if you think you're smart because you insult difficulties of a person to speak, I can tell you no, you're not very malignant.

If I could speak as well as in my native language, I could describe how much better you are completely wrong about the decisions taken in the game like in other forums.
This kind of comment does not bother me at all and I will continue to speak as much as I want in this topic.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 mai 2011 - 02:19 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ah excellent, now we are being divided into pro-mage and pro-templar. Wonderful.

Anyways, though I reject moral absolutism completely and utterly, I do not think those who do embrace the philosophy shouldn't express it. As politely as possible. Sure, it's always going to be an attack to say "you're morally repugnant", but well, if they subscribe to certain strands of deontological ethics, then it's their right to express it. Now how significant that opinion is and how much discussion can be put into it is another thing. I personally do not really care and see very little significance to it, to be blunt, and hence I ignore it.

Anywho, I think a distinction should be made between genuinely siding with Meredith, thinking that annulment is necessary and justified. And reluctantly siding with the Right to minimize casualties and vainly prevent a mess, while still thinking that Meredith is an incompetent idiot.

Personally, I'd think the former is hard to substantiate. That one would genuinely side with Meredith and think she has the right idea.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 mai 2011 - 02:40 .

[Icy Magebane]

Orsino was a blood mage... that is more than enough reason to believe the Circle was compromised...

[Sylvianus]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ah excellent, now we are being divided into pro-mage and pro-templar. Wonderful.

Anyways, though I reject moral absolutism completely and utterly, I do not think those who do embrace the philosophy shouldn't express it. As politely as possible. Sure, it's always going to be an attack to say "you're morally repugnant", but well, if they subscribe to certain strands of deontological ethics, then it's their right to express it. Now how significant that opinion is and how much discussion can be put into it is another thing. I personally do not really care and see very little significance to it, to be blunt, and hence I ignore it.

Anywho, I think a distinction should be made between genuinely siding with Meredith, thinking that annulment is necessary and justified. And reluctantly siding with the Right to minimize casualties and vainly prevent a mess, while still thinking that Meredith is an incompetent idiot.

Personally, I'd think the former is hard to substantiate. That one would genuinely side with Meredith and think she has the right idea.

The pro-mages were simply for me those who lack moderation, play absolutism, and deal more to insult others rather than to add constructiv content to their text. The problem is richness and quality of the debate falls rapidly and we saw with the last pages. On others forums, this debate is more calmer, more intelligent, respectful, yet the positions are very divergent.. But I know that the majority don't support anyone. I am not myself in any camp, I do not support anyone.

Absolutes have always been ridiculous, and absolutes are and will continue to be nonsense for me, in both sides. The truth is that the dev have done everything in Da' s univers to prevent this kind of absolutism. If we want that, it's only for roleplay.

If they think that saying you're disgusting, immoral, they instigate a victory of their arguments, there is nothing further from the truth. Because both sides are many justifications.

Now I totally understand that some may be more sensitive than others ( remember however that this is a video game ) but it does not keep to ourselves what kind of thinking that does nothing to advance . But you're right, ignore it it's better.

And reluctantly siding with the Right to minimize casualties and vainly prevent a mess, while still thinking that Meredith is an incompetent idiot.

This. I have never claimed Meredith, and I was happy to kill her. I wanted to limit losses and regain control of the situation before it become a mess. As Anders said, compromise was impossible to Kirkwall, we had it exploded, it exploded. A camp or another. Few seconds to decide, notother opportunities, how best to restore the situation to Kirkwall.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 mai 2011 - 03:17 .

[Plaintiff]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Orsino was a blood mage... that is more than enough reason to believe the Circle was compromised...

George Bush Jr. was a moron, that is more than enough reason to believe that the USA is full of idiots.

Kim Jong Il is a fascist dictator, that is more than enough reason to believe that North Korea is full of fascists.

I've got a lot of these.

[DKJaigen]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Orsino was a blood mage... that is more than enough reason to believe the Circle was compromised...

And that means nothing. Bloodmagic can be just like any other magic used for great good or evil. simply depends on the person.

[Icy Magebane]

Plaintiff wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Orsino was a blood mage... that is more than enough reason to believe the Circle was compromised...

George Bush Jr. was a moron, that is more than enough reason to believe that the USA is full of idiots.

Kim Jong Il is a fascist dictator, that is more than enough reason to believe that North Korea is full of fascists.

I've got a lot of these.

Yes, I'm sure you do.  The point is that people outright dismissing the Right of Annulment as an "evil" choice is short-sighted.  There were blood mages in the tower, and the First Enchanter was one of them.  This is the mage responsible for overseeing the Circle and instructing at least some of the apprentices.  He hid and funded the actions of a blood mage necromancer who had been a serial murderer in Kirkwall for 5 years or more.  Pretending that it's impossible, or even unlikely, that he would have had other projects going on inside the Gallows is ridiculous.  There is more than enough evidence in game to show players that the Circle had some dark secrets (and no, I don't mean abusive Templars obviously).

It just gets tiresome hearing the same judgmental speeches from people willing to allow anybody and everybody with magic power to wander around without any restrictions.  Supporting the Right of Annulment is a noble action.  Depending, of course, on the outlook of the player in question.

DKJaigen wrote...
And that means nothing. Bloodmagic can be just like any other magic used for great good or evil. simply depends on the person.

Practicing blood magic is in violation of the rules of the Circle.  Whether or not it's evil is irrelevant.  The mages knew they weren't supposed to learn blood magic, they did it anyway, and they were punished for their crimes (in some players games...).  Again, this goes to the point that some people think that every mage deserves the freedom to do what they want, even if those actions are illegal.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 04 mai 2011 - 03:36 .

[DKJaigen]

Sylvianus wrote...

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This. I have never claimed Meredith, and I was happy to kill her. I wanted to limit losses and regain control of the situation before it become a mess. As Anders said, compromise was impossible to Kirkwall, we had it exploded, it exploded. A camp or another. Few seconds to decide, notother opportunities, how best to restore the situation to Kirkwall.

You contradict yourself. in the templar side scenario you wipe out an entire group. the other scenario you a defend group and allow them to flee kirkwall. The templars did far more damage with their actions then prevent. its quite illogical

[DKJaigen]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Icy Magebane wrote...

Orsino was a blood mage... that is more than enough reason to believe the Circle was compromised...

George Bush Jr. was a moron, that is more than enough reason to believe that the USA is full of idiots.

Kim Jong Il is a fascist dictator, that is more than enough reason to believe that North Korea is full of fascists.

I've got a lot of these.

Yes, I'm sure you do.  The point is that people outright dismissing the Right of Annulment as an "evil" choice is short-sighted.  There were blood mages in the tower, and the First Enchanter was one of them.  This is the mage responsible for overseeing the Circle and instructing at least some of the apprentices.  He hid and funded the actions of a blood mage necromancer who had been a serial murderer in Kirkwall for 5 years or more.  Pretending that it's impossible, or even unlikely, that he would have had other projects going on inside the Gallows is ridiculous.  There is more than enough evidence in game to show players that the Circle had some dark secrets (and no, I don't mean abusive Templars obviously).

It just gets tiresome hearing the same judgmental speeches from people willing to allow anybody and everybody with magic power to wander around without any restrictions.  Supporting the Right of Annulment is a noble action.  Depending, of course, on the outlook of the player in question.

Still does not warrant to wipe out an entire group of people. even if orsino had more projects going on it does not justify the killing of every single being in that place. And no you actions is not noble but rahter ruthless at best and immoral at worst.


Practicing blood magic is in violation of the rules of the Circle. 
Whether or not it's evil is irrelevant.  The mages knew they weren't
supposed to learn blood magic, they did it anyway, and they were
punished for their crimes (in some players games...).  Again, this goes
to the point that some people think that every mage deserves the freedom
to do what they want, even if those actions are illegal.

Nice and all but morals should be your guidline not law. law is their to enforce morals. So my question to you is if a bloodmage used bloodmagic to safe a village fro raiders do you reward him or kill him.

Modifié par DKJaigen, 04 mai 2011 - 03:42 .

[Icy Magebane]

The law is that the Right of Annulment is used if the Circle is compromised by blood magic, demonic influence, or abominations... had it not been for all the mages in the "underground" sneaking people out of the Gallows, and folks like Orsino, they might have had a chance. As it stands, the Gallows was corrupted beyond repair. There is no way that so much disregard for the law could have taken place with nobody noticing... but if the non-blood mages were too focused on trying to escape than do anything to correct the situation, it's their own fault how things ended up.

Whether or not it's a complete purge is up to the player since there's a point where you can choose to spare some mages who have surrendered... but the fact is that there is no way to tell a blood mage or powerful abomination from a normal mage, so that's a risk you'd be taking.

DKJaigen wrote...
Nice and all but morals should be your guidline not law. law is their to enforce morals. So my question to you is if a bloodmage used bloodmagic to safe a village fro raiders do you reward him or kill him.

Blood magic is forbidden.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 04 mai 2011 - 03:46 .

[Sylvianus]

The circle is completely corrupt, Orsino has lost control, it is himself corrupt. More than half of the circle is probably corrupt, but in fact there are some innocent people like Bethany.

Two choices are needed. Winning at any cost, or eliminate the threat of one shots, causing also the dead of innocents, or choose to save these innocents, but also all this corruption, all these mages corrupt, destroy the last strength of the order.

If Anders is not killed, Sebastian will lead his armies against Kirkwall, which will add even more chaos.

You contradict yourself. in the templar side scenario you wipe out an entire group. the other scenario you a defend group and allow them to flee kirkwall. The templars did far more damage with their actions then prevent. its quite illogical

Sorry, but I have seen marked nowhere they fled. Sebastian doesn't send his army for nothing, it is indeed to take over the city and do justice cons mages if templars are destroyed.

Then allow to escape many of mages who fall in the dark side ? Hmm. Not very comforting. I'm sorry, Kirkwall contains very little innocents and good side, and even these innocents become abominations. Released into the wild, people would be in danger.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 mai 2011 - 03:52 .

[Rifneno]

Icy Magebane wrote...

As it stands, the Gallows was corrupted beyond repair.

You have no evidence of this.  This is entirely your own conjecture based on the apostates and escapees Hawke encounters.

There is no way that so much disregard for the law could have taken place with nobody noticing... but if the non-blood mages were too focused on trying to escape than do anything to correct the situation, it's their own fault how things ended up.

The same can be said for the templars.  With all the Alriks and Karrases they have, the Chantry had to have known and had to have turned a blind eye.

Blood magic is forbidden.

And in Tevinter, slavery is legal.  What's your point?

Sylvianus wrote...

The circle is completely corrupt, Orsino has lost control, it is himself corrupt. More than half of the circle is probably corrupt, but in fact there are some innocent people like Bethany.

Again, no proof of this.  Hawke encounters apostates and escapees.  Hawke also encounters lots of dragons, and those are "extinct."

Two choices are needed. Winning at any cost, or eliminate the threat of one shots, causing also the dead of innocents, or choose to save these innocents, but also all this corruption, all these mages corrupt, destroy the last strength of the order.

....  What?

If Anders is not killed, Sebastian will lead his armies against Kirkwall, which will add even more chaos.

Which is exactly why Sebastian needs to die.  You don't give in to tyrants and terrorists because they'll do more evil if you resist.  You fight to your last breath.

Sorry, but I have seen marked nowhere they fled. Sebastian doesn't send his army for nothing, it is indeed to take over the city and do justice cons mages if templars are destroyed.

Then allow to escape many of mages who fall in the dark side ? Hmm. Not very comforting. I'm sorry, Kirkwall contains very little innocents and good side, and even these innocents become abominations. Released into the wild, people would be in danger.

Most of these mages' evil is the fault of the templars.  If you try to tame an animal by beating it into submission, many times it'll go for your jugular.  The Chantry teaches mages are cursed, and tells them they have to be imprisoned "for their own safety" then lets murderers and rapists run the prison.  The mage rebellion is little different than the slave revolt Kirkwall had ages ago.  You tell people they're bad and abuse them, they're going to either believe it and BE bad, or they're going to realize you're just an enemy and do what is necessary to fight for their freedom.

[DKJaigen]

Icy Magebane wrote...

The law is that the Right of Annulment is used if the Circle is compromised by blood magic, demonic influence, or abominations... had it not been for all the mages in the "underground" sneaking people out of the Gallows, and folks like Orsino, they might have had a chance. As it stands, the Gallows was corrupted beyond repair.

Thats not fact thats your opinion.

There is no way that so much disregard for the law could have taken place with nobody noticing... but if the non-blood mages were too focused on trying to escape than do anything to correct the situation, it's their own fault how things ended up.


Whether or not it's a complete purge is up to the player since there's a point where you can choose to spare some mages who have surrendered... but the fact is that there is no way to tell a blood mage or powerful abomination from a normal mage, so that's a risk you'd be taking.

yeah 3 mages out of thousands. well done

DKJaigen wrote...
Nice and all but morals should be your guidline not law. law is their to enforce morals. So my question to you is if a bloodmage used bloodmagic to safe a village fro raiders do you reward him or kill him.

Blood magic is forbidden.

You have not answerd my question

Modifié par DKJaigen, 04 mai 2011 - 04:10 .

[DKJaigen]

Sylvianus wrote...


Sorry, but I have seen marked nowhere they fled. Sebastian doesn't send his army for nothing, it is indeed to take over the city and do justice cons mages if templars are destroyed.

Sebastian is a ****ing idiot who has not even title let alone an army. Also orsino said that the mages needed to flee and varric confirms that they did.



Then allow to escape many of mages who fall in the dark side ? Hmm. Not very comforting. I'm sorry, Kirkwall contains very little innocents and good side, and even these innocents become abominations. Released into the wild, people would be in danger.

Mages are sith now? holy **** but i for one welcome out new sith overlords. Also abominations dont live that long as mages dont like them either.

[Icy Magebane]

[quote]Icy Magebane wrote...
[quote]DKJaigen wrote...
Nice and all but morals should be your guidline not law. law is their to enforce morals. So my question to you is if a bloodmage used bloodmagic to safe a village fro raiders do you reward him or kill him.
[/quote]
Blood magic is forbidden.

You have not answerd my question

[/quote]
[/quote]
Alright, I apologize.  Depending on what character I'm playing, the response would be different.  I'm not trying to say that an overall morality should be the basis for every action, or even that following the law is the right path for every person.  I'm saying that the Circle is ruled by the Chantry and subject to their laws.  This statement alone makes the Right of Annulment a clearly defined punishment for breaking a specific law, just as the death penalty is enforced in some countries when people commit certain crimes.  You know well in advance what committing a crime will result in if you are caught.  Armed with this knowledge, the mages still practiced blood magic, therefore enforcement of punishment is not unreasonable and should not be unexpected.  It is true that people not involved in the practice of blood magic may be killed as well, but this situation could not have arisen without the knowledge of a substantial number of mages.  The innocent ones are collateral damage that may or may not die, at the player's discretion (not counting the off-screen deaths, of course, but the once you can directly save).

But anyway, like I said, it would really depend on the situation.  For me personally?  No, I wouldn't want the mage killed...  but I'd understand why it was done if somebody else killed them.

[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]Icy Magebane wrote...

As it stands, the Gallows was corrupted beyond repair.[/quote]

You have no evidence of this.  This is entirely your own conjecture based on the apostates and escapees Hawke encounters.

[quote]There is no way that so much disregard for the law could have taken place with nobody noticing... but if the non-blood mages were too focused on trying to escape than do anything to correct the situation, it's their own fault how things ended up.[/quote]

The same can be said for the templars.  With all the Alriks and Karrases they have, the Chantry had to have known and had to have turned a blind eye.

[/quote]
I'm sure that's true, but that's not really the issue here... the issue is whether or not the Right of Annulment is inherently wrong, and I think I've done a fine job of proving that it is an acceptable response.  You don't need to accept the evidence, but it's right there if you ever want to revise your opinions on the sanctity of mage rights.  The evidence being blood mages, Orsino, countless escape attempts, and abominations.
[quote]Rifneno wrote...

[quote]Icy Magebane wrote...

Blood magic is forbidden.
[/quote]
And in Tevinter, slavery is legal.  What's your point?
[/quote]

As I've stated, my point is that the Circle mages are subject to the laws of the Chantry, and their punishment is given according to those rules.  In Tevinter, I'm sure that runaway slaves are harshly punished if not killed.  Does this game relate to Tevinter or the laws regarding slavery?  No, and those issues are unrelated to this topic.

Edit:  gonna apologize in advance if I miss any typos... editing all this is a pain...

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 04 mai 2011 - 04:36 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

The life expectancy of an Abomination would be exponentionally larger without a Circle system. Add to that the different power levels of Abominations and you may have somes who live for centuries without discovery.

[GavrielKay]

As has been pointed out many times, we are never really given enough information to know how much of the circle is corrupt. I believe it'll be the good mages determined to follow the rules who are still there at the end. The corrupt/evil/rebellious ones would be those you encounter on the streets trying to escape or stir up trouble.

So who's still in the Gallows at the end game? Well, your Hawke can only guess, but my Hawke thinks that after all the abuse and all the escaped mages I've encountered, it's probably the young/weak/devoted ones who are still hiding in their rooms hoping somehow to survive.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again anyway - if you choose the Templar side because of a belief that it's the lesser evil in terms of civilian casualties I can understand that. If you really think a wholesale extermination of a group of people who have been as thoroughly mistreated as these mages is - in and of itself - a righteous act then I'd have to say you operate under a different morality than I do.

[GavrielKay]

OldMan91 wrote...

Commoner: Hail citizen! Do you wish to peruse my wares? I'll give you a 5% discount!
Mage: Are you threatening me Templar dog!? RAAAAAAARGH.
*Stabs self*
Abomination: I'M EVIL AND I WILL SLAUGHTER YOUR FAMI- oh, are these the notorious pirate robes? How much are they?

This made me laugh, thanks!

[Sylvianus]

Again, no proof of this. Hawke encounters apostates and escapees. Hawke also encounters lots of dragons, and those are "extinct."

Hawke also met with dangerous mages inside the circle plotted in the back of Orsino, yes I killed them, but it also shows that the circle is reached, it was a powerful symbol. A secret faction acts and Orsino no control any more the situation. The leakage of other mages demonstrates his helplessness. There is no authority, no longer rule, the system is completely vulnerable and full of fault.

Apostates, abominations, and blood mages, angry mages inside and outside the circle, it is undeniable.
The gaming experience and long years happen in Kirkwall for Hawke, reflect the systematic transformation of the Mages, what they instigate and the rampant corruption of the circle.

And you how can you refuse to see that the circle is corrupt with all that happens? (yes there are also innocent, I did not say otherwise, but say they are the majority, it is pure speculation) There is the only vision we have of the Mages, which is very negative, Kirkwall is a special horrible place and full of darkness.
　

Two choices are needed. Winning at any cost, or eliminate the threat of one shots, causing also the dead of innocents, or choose to save these innocents, but also all this corruption, all these mages corrupt, destroy the last strength of the order.

.... What?

Yes, the circle of Kirkwall is out of control. The circle or you destroy it with a few innocent people, either you save it, with its many hidden blood and dangerous mages.

Most of these mages' evil is the fault of the templars. If you try to tame an animal by beating it into submission, many times it'll go for your jugular. The Chantry teaches mages are cursed, and tells them they have to be imprisoned "for their own safety" then lets murderers and rapists run the prison. The mage rebellion is little different than the slave revolt Kirkwall had ages ago. You tell people they're bad and abuse them, they're going to either believe it and BE bad, or they're going to realize you're just an enemy and do what is necessary to fight for their freedom.

I agree. I do not deny that mages have reason to fight, I might even agree if I were one of them. I remember that I am not against mages in Thedas, I'm even for them, but Kirkwall is special, the situation is completely mad, the Mages went crazy, like Meredith and Anders. They don't want peace and compromise.

Mages seem out of control, even though their will can find a moral justification. I remember I was ready to fight against the Templars and I supported Anders until he acts. Why has he taken to citizens, innocent and not to the Templars? the taking of weapon should be on the military forces and against Templars, not against civilians. Mages have enough power to threaten the Templars. Why people ? It's easy to attack civilians, to those who are less powerful.

Anders is a reflection of what might have been if the circle had been saved, become completely unmanageable with all the power that is his.

With all this explosion, many innocent Mages could have been influenced, impressed, as were Grace that has been influenced by the blood mage, before she fall in the darkside.

Kirkwall that's the problem , the impossible situation, not necessarily the Mages. I am not for the Templars but I wanted to protect my people. It would have been the first victims of this bestial rage of mages in total freedom.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 mai 2011 - 04:41 .

[NanoKitty]

 Quite honestly, I found the choice not hard to make....  My Hawke is a blood mage, but I consistently chose the "good" choices throughout the game.  Blood magic is not innately evil. (Though WHY does Anders keep railing on Merrill because of her blood magic, but never even mentions MY use of blood magic - even during a completed romance?  Really??)  
At the end, I sided with the mages -- freedom and agency are far more valuable than security.  I say, go ahead and arrest (or whatever) the mages who actually do bad stuff, but let the rest of them be free - it's wrong to imprison them (or worse) merely because they *might* do something bad.  Sure, some would turn to evil, but that's one of the costs of freedom.  It would not be chaos, despite what the templars claim.  For every evil mage, there would be 5 free mages ready to take him down.  There's no need for a circle at all.  Templars can then concentrate on hunting the truly evil mages.

Modifié par NanoKitty, 04 mai 2011 - 05:09 .

[DKJaigen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The life expectancy of an Abomination would be exponentionally larger without a Circle system. Add to that the different power levels of Abominations and you may have somes who live for centuries without discovery.

How is that? the circle system is their to prevent abominations (and failing badly because of the templars) not to kill them . And its laready proven that bloodmages can detect abominations far better then templars can.

[Sylvianus]

NanoKitty wrote...

 Quite honestly, I found the choice not hard to make....  My Hawke is a blood mage, but I consistently chose the "good" choices throughout the game.  Blood magic is not innately evil.  At the end, I sided with the mages -- freedom and agency are far more valuable than security.  I say, go ahead and arrest (or whatever) the mages who actually do bad stuff, but let the rest of them be free - it's wrong to imprison them (or worse) merely because they *might* do something bad.  Sure, some would turn to evil, but that's one of the costs of freedom.  It would not be chaos, despite what the templars claim.  For every evil mage, there would be 5 free mages ready to take him down.  There's no need for a circle at all.  Templars can then concentrate on the bad mages.

It underestimated the dangerousness  ined of mages. Take the example of Connor and what he brought to Redcliffe. many terrible and unnecessary suffering.

 Without circle, without responsibility, without authority, the world will meet again under their power or their depredations voluntary or involuntary. Blood magic few can control it honestly, it often ends badly. Merrill's example is taken into account..

I'm against tyranny, better living conditions but not total freedom for Mages, it is a fantasy, because their power is a blessing as a curse.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 04 mai 2011 - 05:08 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

DKJaigen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The life expectancy of an Abomination would be exponentionally larger without a Circle system. Add to that the different power levels of Abominations and you may have somes who live for centuries without discovery.

How is that? the circle system is their to prevent abominations (and failing badly because of the templars) not to kill them . And its laready proven that bloodmages can detect abominations far better then templars can.

It is tehre to train mages not to succumb, and to kill them when they do. The Templars' job is to kill both the Blood Mage and the Abomination. Now that there are no circles, expect Abominations to live a whole lot longer, and to be far more numerous.