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[Silfren]

Rifneno wrote...

Silfren wrote...

My word. Has this thread passed away at long last? That's....almost sad to see.

That only means it's time for a nutjob to cut it up and sew a part of it to other threads to further assault our senses.

Good idea.  *puts on her nutjob hat and looks for her hacksaw and sewing thread*

[Beerfish]

Rifneno wrote...

Silfren wrote...

My word. Has this thread passed away at long last? That's....almost sad to see.

That only means it's time for a nutjob to cut it up and sew a part of it to other threads to further assault our senses.

Yeah you will find the pro mage crowd does this pretty well constantly if there is any thread that says the least thing about mages being anything other than beacons of light.

[Silfren]

Beerfish wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Silfren wrote...

My word. Has this thread passed away at long last? That's....almost sad to see.

That only means it's time for a nutjob to cut it up and sew a part of it to other threads to further assault our senses.

Yeah you will find the pro mage crowd does this pretty well constantly if there is any thread that says the least thing about mages being anything other than beacons of light.

Hate to break it to you, but the exact same thing applies to the pro-templar crowd in reverse.  Don't go thinking otherwise.

[TEWR]

Mage good. Mage bad. Templar good. Templar bad. Cavemen always good. UGH.

[Rithmerdui]

I feel both the Templars and Mages are a bit wicked.
Except Knight-captain Cullen and Ser Thrask(Deceased), Carver(If he was templar) among the templars.
Besides Cullen is just held under Meredith's leash like all the other templars, but he is the only templar with the guts to question Meredith's actions right into her face.
And yes Cullen may not be either good or bad in your opinions but at least he follow Templar law and not killing mages unless its really neccesary.
Meredith didn't care for the Templar laws she just used them to push the mages to the edge as much as she  wanted.
May be possible that Cullen in Meredith's place would not be so bad for the mages, i mean he isnt harsh and insane at least, and he more want to make the mages control their demons, just than rather kill them outright. May be so that Cullen supported to set things right between the Chantry, The Circle and the Templar order even as the other Templars around thedas rebeled.
Thrask attempted to start an uprising because he felt for the mages since his daughter was one, and that Meredith was mad.

The most reliable Circle mages are: Alain, Bethany(If in the Circle).
Orsino protecting Quentin for not making Meredith see that there is ties to blood magic within the circle leadership. Hawke's mother died because of this and several women.
Can't believe why Orsino ever secretly learning more about the blood magic, the same magic Quentin was researching, even if he knew it was dangerous. (He didn't use it until the final battle though).
Grand Cleric did also comment on him that "He isn't an unreasonable man".

Modifié par Nemeriss, 20 mai 2011 - 01:10 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

You aren't gonna get far with claiming Cullen is a "good guy" against the pro-mage fellas. They are way too stuck up on an epilogue slide which never happened, and on the fact that he points out that mages aren't like normal people.

[TEWR]

Among Kirkwall's Templars, he's a somewhat good guy, but shouldn't be called a definite good Templar like Thrask is.


And I'm a pro-mage person.

[Silfren]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You aren't gonna get far with claiming Cullen is a "good guy" against the pro-mage fellas. They are way too stuck up on an epilogue slide which never happened, and on the fact that he points out that mages aren't like normal people.

I have no idea what epilogue slide you're referring to, but that's probably because I don't derive my opinion of Cullen from any such thing. 

Also, there's more to it than that one comment he makes about mages not being "people like you and me", although yes, that definitely feeds into it.

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Among Kirkwall's Templars, he's a somewhat good guy, but shouldn't be called a definite good Templar like Thrask is.


And I'm a pro-mage person.

That makes you completely, totally anti-templar by default.  Didn't you get the memo?

[TEWR]

Silfren wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Among Kirkwall's Templars, he's a somewhat good guy, but shouldn't be called a definite good Templar like Thrask is.


And I'm a pro-mage person.

That makes you completely, totally anti-templar by default.  Didn't you get the memo?

*checks email*


Well whaddaya know?


*dons his anti-templar clothing and starts spreading subversion against the Chantry/Templars*

[EmperorSahlertz]

Silfren wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

You aren't gonna get far with claiming Cullen is a "good guy" against the pro-mage fellas. They are way too stuck up on an epilogue slide which never happened, and on the fact that he points out that mages aren't like normal people.

I have no idea what epilogue slide you're referring to, but that's probably because I don't derive my opinion of Cullen from any such thing. 

Also, there's more to it than that one comment he makes about mages not being "people like you and me", although yes, that definitely feeds into it.

The one where he goes bat**** crazy and kills a handful of apprentices, after which he flees the tower.

That one along with the "People-line" have been what most people see when they talk about Cullen. His rather overbearing attitude, willingness to spare even the guilty mages and thought for the greater good are often overlooked.

Oh, and Thrask was at least as naïve as he was "good".

[TEWR]

How was Thrask naive? Concerning Grace? Grace could've kept her feelings to herself for all we know. Thrask was the only Templar Grace trusted before Best Served Cold, and then in BSC it's obvious she became or was possessed when we arrived.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 19 mai 2011 - 11:10 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

He is naïve to think that he can change the world by holding hands. He should've just united the Templars and kept the mages completely out of the picture. Had he done that, it would possibly have succeeded.

[TEWR]

yes because Templars and Mages working together to coexist peacefully is a very bad idea.

*rolls eyes*

It wasn't holding hands. It was mages and Templars having a common person to hate that they wanted to see ousted because she was bad for the both of them.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

yes because Templars and Mages working together to coexist peacefully is a very bad idea.

*rolls eyes*

It wasn't holding hands. It was mages and Templars having a common person to hate that they wanted to see ousted because she was bad for the both of them.

Indeed, and look what it brought him to include the mages. Death. A vast improvement. Had he kept the mages out, and let the Templars alone oust Meredith, it could've worked. Instead he wanted to improve the world in one swoop, and peacefully by the sound of it. Unrealistic and naïve.
He should've united the Templars. Ousted Meredith. Been made new KC (hopefully), and then improved relations with the mages, since the amges would probably love him for having removed Meredith from command.

[TEWR]

Grace =/= all the mages present there. Not all of the mages fought Hawke and company. Alain and others didn't, since you can tell Cullen to take it easy on the rest of the mages

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Grace =/= all the mages present there. Not all of the mages fought Hawke and company. Alain and others didn't, since you can tell Cullen to take it easy on the rest of the mages

Yet Grace and her stunt destroyed the rebellion before its fruition. Had he not recruited any mage at all, it would have been avoided. And the Templars he did convince would still be alive. instead he had to rush it, and thus bring about his own ruin.

[Rifneno]

Beerfish wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Silfren wrote...

My word. Has this thread passed away at long last? That's....almost sad to see.

That only means it's time for a nutjob to cut it up and sew a part of it to other threads to further assault our senses.

Yeah you will find the pro mage crowd does this pretty well constantly if there is any thread that says the least thing about mages being anything other than beacons of light.

Yeah, like in the thread about the Architect where we took a totally different discussion and twisted it about the mage-templar debate in a borderline trolling attempt.

Oh no wait, that was you.  Not pro-templar posters, I mean you specifically.  Beerfish.

Hypocrite.

[TEWR]

so recruiting Grace means that no mage should've been recruited. That is incredibly flawed. If you said "He shouldn't have recruited Grace" I'd be inclined to agree with you maybe.

But you're saying one mage ruining everything equates itself to any other mage would've ruined the plan. You're painting all mages with the same brush.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I chuckle at this whole pro-mage vs pro-Templar divide that's going on.

And Grace should have been made tranquil them moment they caught her. She was clearly unstable.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

so recruiting Grace means that no mage should've been recruited. That is incredibly flawed. If you said "He shouldn't have recruited Grace" I'd be inclined to agree with you maybe.

But you're saying one mage ruining everything equates itself to any other mage would've ruined the plan. You're painting all mages with the same brush.

How was he to know that Grace was a blood mage? He shouldn't have recruited any mage for the mere chance that any of them might **** it all up, more or less intentionally.

[Lewie]

Grace was from starkhaven, flew from there and worked wonders in kirkwall. Thrask knew, and died for it.

[TEWR]

I'm not saying he should've known. That's why I said "I'd be inclined to agree with you maybe". The maybe meaning if we were having an argument where sufficient in game, non-metagaming evidence was given.


It doesn't matter though. They all had a common enemy and that's what brought them together. For years mages and Templars had been working together without incident as Thrask brought them together one mage and one Templar at a time. Keran tells you this.

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I chuckle at this whole pro-mage vs pro-Templar divide that's going on.

And Grace should have been made tranquil them moment they caught her. She was clearly unstable.

um.... if you're talking about in Act of Mercy, no she wasn't.

If you mean in Act 2, eh debatable but I can see your point. You saw her as unstable. I just saw her as pretty pissed off.

[EmperorSahlertz]

And I'm saying he shouldn't have bothered with the mages. For several reasons. Both political and purely risk based ones.