The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Hawke was too reactive. All he had to do was be proactive. He didn't have to succeed, but he should've attempted to be proactive.
He did:
Siding with the Templars is fine, but siding with Meredith isn`t
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He did:
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Posté 28 mai 2011 - 10:21
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Actually... heck, maybe without Hawke, they'd have killed Ewald. But then what?Lots of deserters around.
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Posté 28 mai 2011 - 10:23
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Alistairlover94 wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Hawke was too reactive. All he had to do was be proactive. He didn't have to succeed, but he should've attempted to be proactive.
He did:
Cullen Codex:
"The ordeal shook him, and he emerged from it convinced that even templars fail to see how dangerous mages can be.
After Cullen returned to his duties, it became clear that he would go to any lengths to enforce the Chantry's rule."
Mmhmm.
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Beerfish wrote...
Alistairlover94 wrote...
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Ryzaki wrote...
I hope DA3 is about the world again instead of just one character. Or that BW is at least honest about who the story evolves around.
I like the premise of the story of one prominent character that does indeed change Thedas. Say a Tevinter magister who rises through the ranks and starts a Tevinter renaissance or something.
Not the sorry excuse of a PC we got in DA2.
If you take Hawke out of the equation, DA2's event would probably still have ocurred in the same manner. Varric would've gotten someone else as good at being the muscle for the DR expedition, the idol still would've gotten out into Thedas, Anders still would've blown up the chantry, Meredith would've still been driven insane from the Red lyrium, someone else would've rescued Javaris from the spiders, someone else would've confronted The Arishok.
Basically, Hawke added absolutely nothing to the story, except for the quest All That Remains. That's it.
You are assuming that average joe is the same as Hawke which he or she is not considering you kick the hell out of each and every thing you face. Quite easily the deep roads ex could have failed very early in with all being killed. If Anders was in the group he'd be dead as well. The big conflict between the two sides would have probably boiled over sooner or later but more than likley Meredith would have won and wiped out all mages.
Exactly. Someone else who served King Cailan, or was a mage with considerable talent could've just as easily been in Hawke's seat.
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@KoP: Idiot ball.
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Aveline would have been dead without Hawke, or stuck outside Kirkwall forever. Anders, as I said, would probably have been killed by Ser Bardel. Merrill... might have worked, but I don't know if she's assertive enough to be in that position.Exactly. Someone else who served King Cailan, or was a mage with considerable talent could've just as easily been in Hawke's seat.
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Alistairlover94 wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Hawke was too reactive. All he had to do was be proactive. He didn't have to succeed, but he should've attempted to be proactive.
He did:
Cullen Codex:
"The ordeal shook him, and he emerged from it convinced that even templars fail to see how dangerous mages can be.
After Cullen returned to his duties, it became clear that he would go to any lengths to enforce the Chantry's rule."
Mmhmm.
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'Alistairlover94 wrote...
damn you.
That laugh has haunted my dreams.
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Aveline would have been dead without Hawke, or stuck outside Kirkwall forever. Anders, as I said, would probably have been killed by Ser Bardel. Merrill... might have worked, but I don't know if she's assertive enough to be in that position.Exactly. Someone else who served King Cailan, or was a mage with considerable talent could've just as easily been in Hawke's seat.
Is Aveline relevant to the grand scheme of things? She doesn't really do anything that will be written in the history books. And that person who replaces Hawke would probably have protected Anders just as well. Or rather, Varric, would have still paid to keep him safe from the Coterie, templars and such.
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Ryzaki wrote...
'Alistairlover94 wrote...
damn you.
That laugh has haunted my dreams.
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Ryzaki wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Hawke was too reactive. All he had to do was be proactive. He didn't have to succeed, but he should've attempted to be proactive.
Good grief this.
He just...sat on his ass until **** hit the fan. Lazy bastard.
I mean, as it stands he's not a good leading man. Decent fellow, bad protagonist. I can only hope that Kirkwall's thin Veil is to blame and after getting the hell out of Dodge during The Last Straw he'll be proactive. Maybe even smack himself silly going "What the **** was I thinking?!"
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So you're saying that someone could replace Hawke, if they were just as good as Hawke?Alistairlover94 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Aveline would have been dead without Hawke, or stuck outside Kirkwall forever. Anders, as I said, would probably have been killed by Ser Bardel. Merrill... might have worked, but I don't know if she's assertive enough to be in that position.Exactly. Someone else who served King Cailan, or was a mage with considerable talent could've just as easily been in Hawke's seat.
Is Aveline relevant to the grand scheme of things? She doesn't really do anything that will be written in the history books. And that person who replaces Hawke would probably have protected Anders just as well. Or rather, Varric, would have still paid to keep him safe from the Coterie, templars and such.
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The original poster said nothing specifically about being on their own, she talked about ones who had proven themselves, if the 1st enchanters from two circles have not proven themselves then who has? If you are talking about mages not in the circle you can toss Connor into the equation if you like, good kid, nice kind, on his own, educated by a mage, loving family life, still turned into a demon and killed just a crap load of people.
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Jowan was an utter weak-minded fool. Make no mistake, for some reason I actually like the guy, though I have no idea what he learned Connor, but it cannot have been enough to have learned to resist demons, or even recognize them. Connor should have been taken to the Circle, to be trained with his own people, until he learned how to control his powers. If mages have nowhere to turn to help but within themselves, they'll find nothing but demons. They should at least be equipped with the choice - which is, knowledge. Connor was merely a scared child.
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Yup there are tons of good mages. I would say the majority and if you look into the mage fraternaties you see that more of them accept the circle life as opposed to the misconception that all of them think they can be on their own without trouble.
You can call it imprisoned, I'd say they have more freedoms than what we think of as imprisoned. As for should they be controlled because of what they might do? 100% for sure they should be. See the Connor incident, it's a tad late to say, oh poor kid we better do something about him after he has slaughtered half of a village.
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No, they really don't. I repeat what I said about Connor. They need to have control, and a choice. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the matter. The templars, at least, should have far more restraints on the powers they have over the mages.
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[quote] Beerfish wrote...
The original poster said nothing specifically about being on their own, she talked about ones who had proven themselves, if the 1st enchanters from two circles have not proven themselves then who has? If you are talking about mages not in the circle you can toss Connor into the equation if you like, good kid, nice kind, on his own, educated by a mage, loving family life, still turned into a demon and killed just a crap load of people.
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Jowan was an utter weak-minded fool. Make no mistake, for some reason I actually like the guy, though I have no idea what he learned Connor, but it cannot have been enough to have learned to resist demons, or even recognize them. Connor should have been taken to the Circle, to be trained with his own people, until he learned how to control his powers. If mages have nowhere to turn to help but within themselves, they'll find nothing but demons. They should at least be equipped with the choice - which is, knowledge. Connor was merely a scared child.
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Yup there are tons of good mages. I would say the majority and if you look into the mage fraternaties you see that more of them accept the circle life as opposed to the misconception that all of them think they can be on their own without trouble.
You can call it imprisoned, I'd say they have more freedoms than what we think of as imprisoned. As for should they be controlled because of what they might do? 100% for sure they should be. See the Connor incident, it's a tad late to say, oh poor kid we better do something about him after he has slaughtered half of a village.
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No, they really don't. I repeat what I said about Connor. They need to have control, and a choice. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the matter. The templars, at least, should have far more restraints on the powers they have over the mages.
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Alistairlover94 wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
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damn you.
That laugh has haunted my dreams.
I literally just fell out of my chair laughing my ass off.
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I mean, as it stands he's not a good leading man. Decent fellow, bad protagonist. I can only hope that Kirkwall's thin Veil is to blame and after getting the hell out of Dodge during The Last Straw he'll be proactive. Maybe even smack himself silly going "What the **** was I thinking?!"
He couldn't reach the epicness of Balthier ever. Balthier.
<3<3<3<3:wub: Maybe the Chantry was affecting him with its all knowing stupidity rays. He had some sense before reaching Kirkwall.
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Xilizhra wrote...
So you're saying that someone could replace Hawke, if they were just as good as Hawke?Alistairlover94 wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Aveline would have been dead without Hawke, or stuck outside Kirkwall forever. Anders, as I said, would probably have been killed by Ser Bardel. Merrill... might have worked, but I don't know if she's assertive enough to be in that position.Exactly. Someone else who served King Cailan, or was a mage with considerable talent could've just as easily been in Hawke's seat.
Is Aveline relevant to the grand scheme of things? She doesn't really do anything that will be written in the history books. And that person who replaces Hawke would probably have protected Anders just as well. Or rather, Varric, would have still paid to keep him safe from the Coterie, templars and such.
Duh. Hawke is just that irrelevant to the story.
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Alistairlover94 wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
'Alistairlover94 wrote...
damn you.
That laugh has haunted my dreams.
Meanwhile, the tear in the veil in Kirkwall is making this laugh (0:15)
That made me wet.
Me too.....
Wait.
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So... exactly like DAO?Duh. Hawke is just that irrelevant to the story.
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Posté 28 mai 2011 - 10:37
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Me too.....
Wait.
LMAO KoP.
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Ryzaki wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I mean, as it stands he's not a good leading man. Decent fellow, bad protagonist. I can only hope that Kirkwall's thin Veil is to blame and after getting the hell out of Dodge during The Last Straw he'll be proactive. Maybe even smack himself silly going "What the **** was I thinking?!"
He couldn't reach the epicness of Balthier ever. Balthier.
This is fact. Balthier is always the best leading man.
Maybe the Chantry was affecting him with its all knowing stupidity rays. He had some sense before reaching Kirkwall.
They've perfected the Stupidity Ray Cannon! It uses their stupidity as a power source! How they managed to perfect something so complicated though will forever remain a mystery....
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So... exactly like DAO?Duh. Hawke is just that irrelevant to the story.
Yep. Except things would have gone badly without The Warden(see Darkspawn DLC). While Hawke changes nothing about DA2.
