Sylvianus wrote...
Eltina is an old woman, tired, it's perfectly understandable that she did not have the energy to solve a case as complicated and delicate as crazy. There is no reason to kill her. was a high priestess who believed that the Kirkwall' s Chantry did not engage in politics. She loves all her children, and considers that it is not her role to resolve conflicts that could undermine its influence. She does not want one side to blame her.
If she's so old and tired that she doesn't have the energy to perform her duty, then she has an obligation to step down. If she's unable to fulfill her obligations as Grand Cleric, then her refusal to step aside for a more capable Grand Cleric is just as irresponsible as her refusal to rein in the Knight-Commander. She has no business just lolling about the Chantry if she is no longer capable of doing her job.
Eltina is a woman who has a heart, she is perhaps not a lot of attention to the condition of the Magi, but she is not aggressive towards them. Her concern is Kirkwall and Kirkwall is my concern.
The fact remains that she has authority over the Templars and Knight-Commander Meredith. Not taking action to put a stop to the rape, abuse, and illegal Tranquil-ing of mages has nothing to do with the "people of Kirkwall" or whatever. Unless the argument is that Meredith would respond to being told not to abuse the mages by sending her Templars out to massacre the citizens of Lowtown, or something, then that argument is about as ridiculous as it gets. Even if you argue that Elthina can't step in to advocate for more freedom for the mages and try to get Meredith to stop locking them in their cells, because that would cause the mages to be a risk to the general population, the same argument does NOT extend to her putting a stop to rape and torture and illegal application of the Rite of Tranquility, because no Kirkwall citizens are going to be put at risk if the Templars stop raping people. You could argue that Elthina's complicity in allowing the mages to be subjected to such egregious abuse CREATES a greater threat to the Kirkwall populace, because it's creating a situation guaranteed to send at least one mage on a killing rampage. Oh wait...
There are people who do not act, it certainly does not mean they are bad. Everyone has his weaknesses, Eltina's weakness is the lack of courage and resolution.
Hahhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. When you have the authority to put a stop to abuses you know are happening, and you refuse to act on that authority, it DOES mean you are bad. That's not a weakness, that's full-out corruption. "All that is necessary for evil to flourish is that good men do nothing." It can seem like a trite phrase at times, but it's also a truism. It's one thing when people are oblivious to the evils going on around them. That's bad enough on its own. But Elthina was not oblivious. She KNEW that terrible abuses were being carried out and she chose to do nothing about it. That makes her just as culpable as the people carrying out the abuses. And the mages are just as much "the people of Kirkwall" as everyone else. She has just as much of a responsibility to ensure they are not being maltreated as she does in ensuring the safety of everyone else. Mages being inherently more dangerous than the average person doesn't exempt them from deserving the same basic right to not be raped or tortured.
Should we kill her because she lacks courage? Very clearly you are exaggerating, she does not like the suffering experienced by Mages.
No, we shouldn't kill her because she lacks courage. We should kill her because she is corrupt. And no, I'm not exaggerating. Elthina's own words damn her. I didn't say she claimed to like what mages go through. I did, however, point out that Elthina openly admits to
knowing about the abuses they go through, and Meredith's ever-worsening extremes. She
admits to having knowledge of abuse, but she does nothing to prevent it. So it really doesn't matter if she feels bad for the mages. Are you seriously going to sit there and suggest that her feeling bad for the mages makes it okay that she does nothing to help them? Or that somehow if she feels bad about it that that alone marks her as a good, sympathetic character? That's...that's just vile, actually. If you have the authority to put a stop to abuse, and you refuse to act on that authority, claiming to "feel bad" about the people getting abused is about as evil as you can get.
Its firstly a good person with many weakness, It's alsoan innocent victim. I do not see where it must die for it. Oo
Probably because I'm not advocating for her death because she's a good person with weaknesses, but because she's a corrupt official who shares equal guilt with Meredith in the abuse suffered by mages due to her foreknowledge of it and her subsequent refusal to either fix the problem or step down in favor of someone who can.
What do heads of state for the Palestinians ? They know they suffer against Israel.
Should we kill them ? 
Oh hell no, I'm not about to be drawn into
that debate.
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