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[Dave of Canada]

Little late to the party: Dalish aren't too great magic-wise, send Feynriel to the Dalish and he'll complain that the nightmares aren't going away / it's getting worse and he'll say the Dalish aren't what he expected. Send him to the Circle and all he complains about is that he's in the Circle, he doesn't mention the nightmares.

[Silfren]

dragonshield117 wrote...

I believe the Imperium has the right idea. Mages should police themselves,but if the mages enforcing the law show signs of being corrupted then the templars should step in. But for no other reason.
Besides, if anyone read the lore on Andraste you would know the Chantry have perverted and manipulated her teachings. Yes magic should not rule over man, but mages should be made slaves or tranquil just for being born with magic in their blood.

Better yet, there is one school of thought that believes rather strongly that Andraste herself was an exceptionally powerful mage.  Me, personally, I very much want this to be the case, and to be proven, because oh my would that ever turn the Chantry inside out!  Besides, you know, having already been ripped apart by revolting mages.

[TEWR]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Little late to the party: Dalish aren't too great magic-wise, send Feynriel to the Dalish and he'll complain that the nightmares aren't going away / it's getting worse and he'll say the Dalish aren't what he expected. Send him to the Circle and all he complains about is that he's in the Circle, he doesn't mention the nightmares.

He's a type of mage that hasn't been seen for centuries, mainly due to most of them having too frail a mind and cracking. They end up killing themselves. he's a Somniari.

I can hardly blame the Dalish for not knowing what to do with a mage of that magnitude and rarity.

Silfren wrote...

dragonshield117 wrote...

I believe the Imperium has the right idea. Mages should police themselves,but if the mages enforcing the law show signs of being corrupted then the templars should step in. But for no other reason.
Besides, if anyone read the lore on Andraste you would know the Chantry have perverted and manipulated her teachings. Yes magic should not rule over man, but mages should be made slaves or tranquil just for being born with magic in their blood.

Better yet, there is one school of thought that believes rather strongly that Andraste herself was an exceptionally powerful mage.  Me, personally, I very much want this to be the case, and to be proven, because oh my would that ever turn the Chantry inside out!  Besides, you know, having already been ripped apart by revolting mages.

I think Flemeth is Andraste.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 mai 2011 - 11:01 .

[IanPolaris]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Little late to the party: Dalish aren't too great magic-wise, send Feynriel to the Dalish and he'll complain that the nightmares aren't going away / it's getting worse and he'll say the Dalish aren't what he expected. Send him to the Circle and all he complains about is that he's in the Circle, he doesn't mention the nightmares.

Actually he does.  He complains that the circle is every bit as bad as he thought it was, and that the Templars have no answer other than destroying his soul (yes you can talk to Fenynriel after he goes to the circle and there is his letter.  Both are very bitter).  He is also sure that the Dalish would have had some better answers.

The Dalish magic-wise might not be superhuman, but they put the Templars to shame.

-Poaris

[Xilizhra]

I think Andraste is the Dumat OGB.

[LobselVith8]

The only ones who end up helping Feynriel with the magnitude of his abilities are the Tevinter mages.

[IanPolaris]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Little late to the party: Dalish aren't too great magic-wise, send Feynriel to the Dalish and he'll complain that the nightmares aren't going away / it's getting worse and he'll say the Dalish aren't what he expected. Send him to the Circle and all he complains about is that he's in the Circle, he doesn't mention the nightmares.

He's a type of mage that hasn't been seen for centuries, mainly due to most of them having too frail a mind and cracking. They end up killing themselves. he's a Somniari.

I can hardly blame the Dalish for not knowing what to do with a mage of that magnitude and rarity.

Actually the Dalish of the Kdm of the Dales DID know how to deal with this sort of mage.  That's where Merethari gets the ritual.  The problem is finding someone that is both powerful enough to defeat the demons, trusted enough by Fenynriel not to destroy his mind, and strong willed enough to resist temptations to fight off the demons in the fade.

Enter Hawke....but the Ritual itself is very old and very powerful...and something that only the Dalish (or maybe the Tevinters) know.

-Polaris

[TEWR]

well, I know that they had some experience. I worded my post poorly. I do that sometimes. But that was over 2 centuries ago and Marethari didn't know what to really do. It was just guesswork and recreating an old ritual, which Marethari wasn't sure would work right. She only did it to the best of her ability.


Stupid railroading quest. It wouldn't have been so bad if some companions were immune.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 09 mai 2011 - 11:16 .

[Rifneno]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think Andraste is the Dumat OGB.

YES.  A thousand times yes.

[TEWR]

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I think Andraste is the Dumat OGB.

YES.  A thousand times yes.

So, the Dumat OGB is Andraste who is Flemeth.


Yup, this is now canon. I support this.

*gives thumbs up while doing this face:*

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I think Andraste is the Dumat OGB.

YES.  A thousand times yes.

So, the Dumat OGB is Andraste who is Flemeth.


Yup, this is now canon. I support this.

*gives thumbs up while doing this face:*

No, seriously.  Look at the timeline.  Andraste appears as an adult 26 years after the Dumat archdemon was slain.  The most powerful person in Thedas' history, full of "divine" superpowers, was born right around the time the First Blight ended?  That's one hell of a coincidence.

[Xilizhra]

Actually, I suspect Flemeth is Fen'Harel, trying to make up for sealing away the Dalish gods by bringing lots of magic back into the world.
I also suspect Flemeth was the Maker's voice speaking to Andraste... perhaps she tried to do something similar to Sandal, but Sandal saw through whatever illusion she put up, and Flemeth laughed at his unfoolability?

[TJPags]

Rifneno wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I think Andraste is the Dumat OGB.

YES.  A thousand times yes.

So, the Dumat OGB is Andraste who is Flemeth.


Yup, this is now canon. I support this.

*gives thumbs up while doing this face:*

No, seriously.  Look at the timeline.  Andraste appears as an adult 26 years after the Dumat archdemon was slain.  The most powerful person in Thedas' history, full of "divine" superpowers, was born right around the time the First Blight ended?  That's one hell of a coincidence.

I . . .ummm . . . .is all that accurate?  The timing, etc?

Because . . . .I might really like this idea. 

[TEWR]

I know. And if Andraste is the OGB of Dumat, then it stands to reason that that is Flemeth too.

David Gaider has said that her hair was made to look like it does to show the similarities between her Dragon form. She has something draconic about her. Add in her "Perhaps I am a dragon" line, which with Flemeth is hard to tell if it's a joke or a subtle clue, and it strengthens the theory.

[Rifneno]

TJPags wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I think Andraste is the Dumat OGB.

YES.  A thousand times yes.

So, the Dumat OGB is Andraste who is Flemeth.


Yup, this is now canon. I support this.

*gives thumbs up while doing this face:*

No, seriously.  Look at the timeline.  Andraste appears as an adult 26 years after the Dumat archdemon was slain.  The most powerful person in Thedas' history, full of "divine" superpowers, was born right around the time the First Blight ended?  That's one hell of a coincidence.

I . . .ummm . . . .is all that accurate?  The timing, etc?

Because . . . .I might really like this idea. 

Yes, it is.  You can check the wiki and codexes and such to verify if you like.

[Xilizhra]

There's one small problem, though. Morrigan at the end of Witch Hunt says that Flemeth isn't truly human; if Flemeth was an OGB herself, wouldn't Morrigan point that out?

Of course, Morrigan's plan might be creating a new one to challenge Flemeth... which would make for an enormous plot difference depending on the dark ritual choice.

[TEWR]

Morrigan may not even know. She may know she's not human, but not know that she's an OGB.

Or as you've said, she knows and is plotting.

[Rifneno]

Templars are totally just.

 

[TEWR]

Rifneno wrote...

Templars are totally just.

 

They're so sweet! I just want to congratulate them!


With my weapons.

[GavrielKay]

Rifneno wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I think Andraste is the Dumat OGB.

YES.  A thousand times yes.

So, the Dumat OGB is Andraste who is Flemeth.


Yup, this is now canon. I support this.

*gives thumbs up while doing this face:*

No, seriously.  Look at the timeline.  Andraste appears as an adult 26 years after the Dumat archdemon was slain.  The most powerful person in Thedas' history, full of "divine" superpowers, was born right around the time the First Blight ended?  That's one hell of a coincidence.

I . . .ummm . . . .is all that accurate?  The timing, etc?

Because . . . .I might really like this idea. 

Yes, it is.  You can check the wiki and codexes and such to verify if you like.

So did Andraste always intend to end up with the mages suffering 1000 years of imprisonment or was she misinterpreted by later people who formed the Chantry?

Even if she was an OGB, which idea I like too, we don't know much about OGBs other than expecting them to be powerful.  Just because an OGB might wield magic, they might still not feel any kinship to mages.

We may never know

[GavrielKay]

IanPolaris wrote...

The Dalish magic-wise might not be superhuman, but they put the Templars to shame.

-Poaris

Well, the Dalish have the advantage of starting with a desire to help the mage, rather than punish/enslave/imprison/curse/torture etc.  You generally have an easier time finding a solution when you're actually looking for one.

Edit:  clarify wording

Modifié par GavrielKay, 10 mai 2011 - 12:09 .

[Emeraq]

I don't play Mages, so Bethany will always be the sibling that survives and given that I will not allow my sister to die I will never side with the Templars nor Meredith, no matter how many play throughs.

[tek427]

Well, this may be the "mage-lover" in me saying, but I didn't like the templar side. Okay, so I annihilate the Circle and the First Enchanter, and Meradith is still going to kill me? For no reason at all? That kinda irritates me. Although, I didn't mind killing her. She was a genecidal psycho.

That doesn't mean killing Orsino in the mage side made sense to me either. Hello! I'm the Champion and I'm a mage! The templar can't beat me so there's no reason to turn yourself into a feral blob of corpses and gore! So basically both sides had a few flaws in their boss fights.

[Lewie]

I guess proximity is not an issue, if you fully support mage freedom, you support it everywhere in Thedas. Or is it just kirkwall? Tevinter is maybe an important issue, the magisters there have many slaves on hand even for spells. If they cast a high powered spell they have a few 'slaves' on hand just in case. They drain their blood spell finished. Is it right for mages to have a few slaves or buckets of blood on hand for this? Yet its legal to have slaves underfoot.

[Rifneno]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

They're so sweet! I just want to congratulate them!


With my weapons.

"I'll relinquish one bullet; where do you want it?" - Commander Shepard

louise101 wrote...

I guess proximity is not an issue, if you fully support mage freedom, you support it everywhere in Thedas. Or is it just kirkwall? Tevinter is maybe an important issue, the magisters there have many slaves on hand even for spells. If they cast a high powered spell they have a few 'slaves' on hand just in case. They drain their blood spell finished. Is it right for mages to have a few slaves or buckets of blood on hand for this? Yet its legal to have slaves underfoot.

I must be misunderstanding this.  It looks like you're trying to say if you support freedom, you have to invariably support slavery.