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[Xilizhra]

1. You promised your sister that this will be their home.. no choice but to side with the lesser of 2 evils, which are templers. You get to stay home and even more. Your sister got her home and, since ending not very well written, you would think she is free. Maybe she becomes mage conusel, maybe new first enchanter god knows.

Bethany changed her mind and now wants to see the mages freed.

2. If you cared for your mother, again siding with templers is right way. On quest the all that remains, you see clearly that Orsino supported that mage ( now forgot his bloody name) that killed your mother. Orsino sent him all he needed and wanted to be kept updated.

Making decisions to save a corpse is utterly ridiculous.

3. If you care for Kirkwall and majority of your companions , again better to follow templers. Varric does not loose his tavern, Aveline stays with her hubby as Knight captain.

As opposed to Anders and Merrill hating the thought of siding with the templars, Isabela probably not wanting to hang around, and Fenris really not needing to hang around... quite frankly, those two can deal with it.

4. Freedom for mages, then ofcourse side with Orsino and give them freedom. One thing is for certain, Kirkwall mages are all using blood magic, cause of how badly they were treated. I do not say it is wrong, cause when someone is pushed so hard against the wall, will use any means necessary. But now all of that survived are loose in the world.

The vast majority of the mages in the mage ending don't use blood magic.

[TEWR]

Silfren wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...


It is a Grey Warden. She doesn't have authority over it, and they can barely have any children as it is. I'm guessing she thik she is in the safe here. Even then, if the Teyrn of Gwaren (your mage) was to have a mage child. Guess what, the Chantry would take it away. Yeah, Meredith doesn't have to worry about that, at all.

Mages are forbidden from owning titles or lands according to Chantry law.  I somehow don't think the Chantry would be okay with a mage being permitted to flout that law simply for being a Grey Warden.  Not when Grey Wardens are also not supposed to hold titles or lands, and the Chantry's toleration of mages among Grey Warden ranks seems to be rather grudging at best.  So I don't think that's a sound argument for Meredith not complaining about a King ignoring a Chantry prohibition. 

True Grey Wardens aren't supposed to hold lands, but that was the point of Awakening. To show that Grey Wardens are always needed and can be involved in politics without jeopardizing their neutrality. And besides, the Warden-Commander had Seneschal Varel to defer to anytime he felt in necessary, making Varel the de-facto Arl of Amaranthine when asked.

That doesn't mean that the Chantry--or the general populace and nobility, for that matter--are going to be thrilled with the sudden disregard for centuries of tradition and law.  And Varel being the "acting" arl whenever asked isn't going to change the Warden Commander's own actual position.

Oh I know the Chantry would still draw issue with it. But it really isn't their call since the land was made property of the Grey Wardens by King Alistair/Queen Anora and the land is owned by the monarch(s), not the Chantry. The Circle however was a whole different story.

I really want to know what happened with the Circle boon and the Dalish Elf boon. Specifically I mean.

[IanPolaris]

Ultimately in order to side with the Templars at the end, you have to overlook (or not care) that Meredith is not only asking you to commit a blatent act of Genocide, but she is doing so for a crime that the circle didn't even commit.

That's a double-whammy which in my book makes it one of the three most evil decisions you can make in the game.

-Polaris

[GavrielKay]

In Exile wrote...

But at the same time it is consistent for his character to defend Meredith against charges of incompetence unless there was evidence she was unfit for her job.

Cullen mentions several times that he thinks Meredith has become more extreme than he is comfortable with and has taken on more authority than she can really handle.

And if Elthina had evidence that the templars were being abusive, it seems it would be those templars that were removed.

And that would have been better than the nothing that Elthina actually did, as well.

Once again, it comes down to the fact that the templars are autonomous and while Meredith answers to Elthina, she does not send her daily reports about the rape and abuse in the Circle. The only defender for the Circle was Orsino, and he was even more incompetent than Elthina.

Elthina received a letter from Alrik asking permission to Tranquil every mage in the circle.  If that didn't have her poking around and wondering what was going on there, then it's because she didn't want to know.  Hawke has dialog choices around trying to get Elthina to do something, only to be told that she won't choose sides.  Elthina never says, "hey, I asked some questions, but they all seemed innocent." 

It is a huge game flaw that you can't really role play in this game.  You can't choose to have a Hawke who actually DOES anything about the problem one way or the other until you are forced to decide to either kill everyone or defy the general order.  Why on earth the devs thought that would be satisfying is a mystery to me. 

As far as I'm concerned my Hawke spent those missing 3 years collecting stories and evidence against the Templars and Elthina refused to do anything about it. 

[IanPolaris]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I really want to know what happened with the Circle boon and the Dalish Elf boon. Specifically I mean.

The newly freed circle was taken over by a cable of pride-abominations and bloodmages who promply put all of Fereldan's nobility under the spell of bloodmagic so they could go on a frenzy killing off all the Dalish in a massive blood ritual to turn Fereldan into the second Tevinter Imperium.

You heard it here first.

....at least that's what the story will be if DG and the Devs persist on their course....

-POlaris

[Rifneno]

GavrielKay wrote...

No, she was a zealot from the beginning.  Cullen specifically notes that it is different and worse in recent years - i.e. once she has possession of the idol.

Actually, since Hawke came to Kirkwall.  She doesn't get the idol from Bartrand until 4 years later.  I think he actually says that when the idol hasn't even been discovered yet.  I always wondered if that was a dialogue error or a hint at something we haven't figured out yet.

Silfren wrote...

OT, but one of the reasons I hold out (possibly futile, naive, and vain) hope for DA3 is because I swear there's a connection between lyrium and the darkspawn taint, or else a connection between lyrium and Old Gods.

I completely agree.  The first time Bartrand mentioned the song it set off some alarm bells with me.  Especially since we don't have any idea what lyrium really "is."  Speaking of which, is it just me or is the lyrium in veins we see in the Deep Roads look like... well for lack of a better term, growing?  Like some incredibly slow ivy?

On an unrelated note, am I the only one having trouble telling you guys apart by avatar?  Then again I guess the one using a stock Legion pic can't complain. :innocent:

[Silfren]

Cyakura wrote...

 I always sided with Mages, even had a post about it. Playing the game few times and doing few choices differently makes you see things which are new. Finally came to conclusion is what you really want to happen. 
1. You promised your sister that this will be their home.. no choice but to side with the lesser of 2 evils, which are templers. You get to stay home and even more. Your sister got her home and, since ending not very well written, you would think she is free. Maybe she becomes  mage conusel, maybe new first enchanter god knows.

Problem being that if you support the templars, that includes wanting to slaughter the people that Bethany's lived with for several years, including young mages she's mentoring...and, um, Bethany herself.  You can talk Meredith out of executing Bethany, but the fact remains that if you support Annulment, you support the slaughter of the Circle in its entirety.  It's hardly okay to decide that your sister is worth sparing while the others are not.

2. If you cared for your mother, again siding with templers is right way. On quest the all that remains, you see clearly that Orsino supported that mage ( now forgot his bloody name) that killed your mother. Orsino sent him all he needed and wanted to be kept updated

That requires meta-gaming knowledge.  The character of Hawke only knows that someone who signs their name "O" gave Quentin books.  Also, what's known is that Orsino supported Quentin's research, not that he knowingly supported serial-killing.  We learn afterward that Orsino kept mum on things because he knew it would give Meredith ammunition.  But that doesn't translate to his having knowingly supported murder.

3. If you care for Kirkwall and majority of your companions , again better to follow templers. Varric does not loose his tavern, Aveline stays with her hubby as Knight captain.

Aveline and Varric are hardly the majority of your companions.  What if you care for Anders and Merrill?  What if you consider the apostates and Circle mages to also be citizens of Kirkwall?  You think Commander Batcrazy is going to ignore the two apostates once she's done annuling the Circle?  Well, okay, she did ignore Anders, but that was sloppy-ass writing.

4. Freedom for mages, then ofcourse side with Orsino and give them freedom. One thing is for certain, Kirkwall mages are all using blood magic, cause of how badly they were treated. I do not say it is wrong, cause when someone is pushed so hard against the wall, will use any means necessary. But now all of that survived are loose in the world.

No, it is NOT certain that each and every mage in Kirkwall is using blood magic, irrespective of whether you consider that to be legal or moral or justifiable according to circumstances. 

Any side you choose, Merideth dies at the end. So I came to strong conclusion ( totally opposite of what I posted before) is to choose templers. You gain much more than what you loose, taking in to account that you are not thinking only of yourself.

....You're basing the assertion that more is gained by siding with templars on the fact that Meredith dies in either situation?  By siding with templars you are gaining more than you lose?  By siding with templars you are thinking of more than yourself?  

What is this I don't even

[GavrielKay]

Rifneno wrote...

I never understood that viewpoint. All the legal, legit mages are locked in the Gallows. Honestly I think the only reason we see ANY fighting on the way *to* the Gallows is for gameplay reasons. Hawke can't make a cup of coffee without killing stuff. Any damage in the city is almost certainly going to be looters and rioting. Which is the job of the city guard to put down, not the templars. So... I really don't see the logic in it saving lives even short term.

I consider it a stretch to take Meredith at her word and accept that it is less total loss of life to use the RoA at that point in the game.  But, a stretch is still better than some of the other justifications.  At least the "greater good" excuse sounds better than:  "Die mage scum, die!"

[Cyakura]

Xilizhra wrote...

1. You promised your sister that this will be their home.. no choice but to side with the lesser of 2 evils, which are templers. You get to stay home and even more. Your sister got her home and, since ending not very well written, you would think she is free. Maybe she becomes mage conusel, maybe new first enchanter god knows.

Bethany changed her mind and now wants to see the mages freed.

If you side with mages she DOES NOT know orsino knew, side with templers and see the diff

2. If you cared for your mother, again siding with templers is right way. On quest the all that remains, you see clearly that Orsino supported that mage ( now forgot his bloody name) that killed your mother. Orsino sent him all he needed and wanted to be kept updated.

Making decisions to save a corpse is utterly ridiculous.

err... you not saving any corpse... you doing the right thing... Bringing justice to whoever did wrong.

3. If you care for Kirkwall and majority of your companions , again better to follow templers. Varric does not loose his tavern, Aveline stays with her hubby as Knight captain.

As opposed to Anders and Merrill hating the thought of siding with the templars, Isabela probably not wanting to hang around, and Fenris really not needing to hang around... quite frankly, those two can deal with it.

Both Anders and Merrill have to die, made hug posts about merrill and my huge hate for her. Even in one playthough I let Anders go free, lost Sebastian and then found Anders fighting me.. Anyways these 2 are 100% worthless companions.

4. Freedom for mages, then ofcourse side with Orsino and give them freedom. One thing is for certain, Kirkwall mages are all using blood magic, cause of how badly they were treated. I do not say it is wrong, cause when someone is pushed so hard against the wall, will use any means necessary. But now all of that survived are loose in the world.

The vast majority of the mages in the mage ending don't use blood magic.

 Sure, and who rose all the demons that are fighting you in the courtyard? guess they came just to support that mages from thin air?

Modifié par Cyakura, 11 mai 2011 - 09:51 .

[Silfren]

IanPolaris wrote...

Ultimately in order to side with the Templars at the end, you have to overlook (or not care) that Meredith is not only asking you to commit a blatent act of Genocide, but she is doing so for a crime that the circle didn't even commit.

That's a double-whammy which in my book makes it one of the three most evil decisions you can make in the game.

-Polaris

What are the other two, if I may ask?  Oh, and you notice how you and I agree far more often than we don't?  

I don't have the opportunity to do this privately as I'd prefer, but I need to apologize to you.  It was not my intention to insult your intelligence--or insult you at all, rather.  I regret coming across that way.  Next time I'll make a better effort in trying to communicate.

[TEWR]

IanPolaris wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I really want to know what happened with the Circle boon and the Dalish Elf boon. Specifically I mean.

The newly freed circle was taken over by a cable of pride-abominations and bloodmages who promply put all of Fereldan's nobility under the spell of bloodmagic so they could go on a frenzy killing off all the Dalish in a massive blood ritual to turn Fereldan into the second Tevinter Imperium.

You heard it here first.

....at least that's what the story will be if DG and the Devs persist on their course....

-POlaris

god I hope that won't be the actual explanation. That's just a cop-out

[Ryzaki]

Cyakura wrote...

 I always sided with Mages, even had a post about it. Playing the game few times and doing few choices differently makes you see things which are new. Finally came to conclusion is what you really want to happen. 
1. You promised your sister that this will be their home.. no choice but to side with the lesser of 2 evils, which are templers. You get to stay home and even more. Your sister got her home and, since ending not very well written, you would think she is free. Maybe she becomes  mage conusel, maybe new first enchanter god knows.

2. If you cared for your mother, again siding with templers is right way. On quest the all that remains, you see clearly that Orsino supported that mage ( now forgot his bloody name) that killed your mother. Orsino sent him all he needed and wanted to be kept updated.

3. If you care for Kirkwall and majority of your companions , again better to follow templers. Varric does not loose his tavern, Aveline stays with her hubby as Knight captain.

4. Freedom for mages, then ofcourse side with Orsino and give them freedom. One thing is for certain, Kirkwall mages are all using blood magic, cause of how badly they were treated. I do not say it is wrong, cause when someone is pushed so hard against the wall, will use any means necessary. But now all of that survived are loose in the world.

Any side you choose, Merideth dies at the end. So I came to strong conclusion ( totally opposite of what I posted before) is to choose templers. You gain much more than what you loose, taking in to account that you are not thinking only of yourself.

Adding my own view of things. 

1. Your sister may be a GW/CM/Dead if she's a CM she benefits from a purged circle free of the stains of bloodmagic. If she's a GW/dead she probably doesn't give a hoot. Only Bethany that really cares about the circle's fate is a CM Bethany and that makes sense seeing as she's a CM herself and has become friends wth those people. 

2. If you cared for the victims of the serial killer it is better to side with the templars. Someone high ranking in the circle (high enough rank that they could smuggle dark magic books and things normally forbidden to the killer) was supporting and benefiting from the research of bloodmagic. We don't know how many other bloodmages this person may have supported. But we know someone high ranking within the circle is endorsing bloodmagic. This is a extreme concern and the circle needs to be purged. We have no idea how many innocents were killed to fuel this knowledge. 

3. Varric doesn't lose his tavern, Aveline can do her job properly (thanks to the templars only having to deal with the mages the city guard can focus on protecting the people more), Fenris is...fenris, Isabela goes wherever the wind takes her, Merrill has no ties to the circle in truth, only Anders suffers from this decision and since he started the mess..well he should suffer. 

4. You're setting loose several mages that use blodmagic and will use it to dominate others. You have no way of knowing how much damage they'll cause. Yes you will kill innocent mages while purging the circle. It isn'tthe best thing but it is for the greater good in my Hawkes eyes. 

Edit: Ah yes demons popping out of nowhere. Why pray tell did they not do this earlier? Oh wait...because they're drawn by the mages! 

..As for abominations...someone forgot their own damn lore. <_< 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 11 mai 2011 - 09:56 .

[IanPolaris]

Cyakura wrote...

 Sure, and who rose all the demons that are fighting you in the courtyard? guess they came just to support that mages from thin air?

That's not to far from what's likely to be the truth actually.  Kirkwall is built on a hellmouth with a virtually non-existant veil.  Demons can and do pass in and out of the fade in the cellars of Kirkwall (see Enigma of Kirkwall).  Inaddition we know the Resolutionists have sent a team (probably heavy with bloodmages) to stir up trouble, and they have nothing to do with either Meredith or Orsino.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

Silfren wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Ultimately in order to side with the Templars at the end, you have to overlook (or not care) that Meredith is not only asking you to commit a blatent act of Genocide, but she is doing so for a crime that the circle didn't even commit.

That's a double-whammy which in my book makes it one of the three most evil decisions you can make in the game.

-Polaris

What are the other two, if I may ask?  Oh, and you notice how you and I agree far more often than we don't?  

I don't have the opportunity to do this privately as I'd prefer, but I need to apologize to you.  It was not my intention to insult your intelligence--or insult you at all, rather.  I regret coming across that way.  Next time I'll make a better effort in trying to communicate.

*shrug* It happens.  I can be abrasive and I admit that especially when I feel I am being attacked.  Water under bridge.

As for the other two:

1.  Selling Feyrnriel's soul to Torpor for rune/talent/attribute points.
2. (edit) Letting Danarius take Fenris away in chains.  [I consider killing Bethany to be part of siding with the Templar evil decision]

-Polaris

Modifié par IanPolaris, 11 mai 2011 - 09:58 .

[Silfren]

IanPolaris wrote...

Cyakura wrote...

 Sure, and who rose all the demons that are fighting you in the courtyard? guess they came just to support that mages from thin air?

That's not to far from what's likely to be the truth actually.  Kirkwall is built on a hellmouth with a virtually non-existant veil.  Demons can and do pass in and out of the fade in the cellars of Kirkwall (see Enigma of Kirkwall).  Inaddition we know the Resolutionists have sent a team (probably heavy with bloodmages) to stir up trouble, and they have nothing to do with either Meredith or Orsino.

-Polaris

That's really the only explanation that makes sense for mages being able to pull hordes of abominations, as opposed to corpses, out of the ground. 

[Rifneno]

Ryzaki wrote...

Adding my own view of things. 

1. Your sister may be a GW/CM/Dead if she's a CM she benefits from a purged circle free of the stains of bloodmagic. If she's a GW/dead she probably doesn't give a hoot. Only Bethany that really cares about the circle's fate is a CM Bethany and that makes sense seeing as she's a CM herself and has become friends wth those people. 

2. If you cared for the victims of the serial killer it is better to side with the templars. Someone high ranking in the circle (high enough rank that they could smuggle dark magic books and things normally forbidden to the killer) was supporting and benefiting from the research of bloodmagic. We don't know how many other bloodmages this person may have supported. But we know someone high ranking within the circle is endorsing bloodmagic. This is a extreme concern and the circle needs to be purged. We have no idea how many innocents were killed to fuel this knowledge. 

3. Varric doesn't lose his tavern, Aveline can do her job properly (thanks to the templars only having to deal with the mages the city guard can focus on protecting the people more), Fenris is...fenris, Isabela goes wherever the wind takes her, Merrill has no ties to the circle in truth, only Anders suffers from this decision and since he started the mess..well he should suffer. 

4. You're setting loose several mages that use blodmagic and will use it to dominate others. You have no way of knowing how much damage they'll cause. Yes you will kill innocent mages while purging the circle. It isn'tthe best thing but it is for the greater good in my Hawkes eyes. 

Edit: Ah yes demons popping out of nowhere. Why pray tell did they not do this earlier? Oh wait...because they're drawn by the mages! 

..As for abominations...someone forgot their own damn lore. <_< 

Are you still lying about being neutral to give yourself some false appearance of objectivity?  Because WWII Japan was more neutral than this.

[Ryzaki]

Rifneno wrote...

Are you still lying about being neutral to give yourself some false appearance of objectivity?  Because WWII Japan was more neutral than this.

 

If you don't know the difference between me myself being neutral and my Hawkes being neutral I don't know what to say. 

And that last sentence...right. There's a reason I usually ignore your posts. 

[GavrielKay]

Rifneno wrote...

Actually, since Hawke came to Kirkwall.  She doesn't get the idol from Bartrand until 4 years later.  I think he actually says that when the idol hasn't even been discovered yet.  I always wondered if that was a dialogue error or a hint at something we haven't figured out yet.

I'm pretty sure the conversation I remember with Cullen is in Act 2 or early in Act 3 after it's quite possible that Meredith has possession of the idol.  He may say other things, but there's on I'm thinking of in particular where he mentions Meredith has become noticeably worse.  He's a zealot himself, so it would take something more for him to wonder about Meredith.

[Cyakura]

No matter how much we all debate here, it all comes down to our personal liking of how we want the end to be.. and guess the choice we make will effect, hopefully, the next edition of DA.. if there ever will be one.

[Ryzaki]

Cyakura wrote...

No matter how much we all debate here, it all comes down to our personal liking of how we want the end to be.. and guess the choice we make will effect, hopefully, the next edition of DA.. if there ever will be one.

Indeed. 

I do want to be a seeker in the next game. 

[IanPolaris]

Ryzaki wrote...

Cyakura wrote...

No matter how much we all debate here, it all comes down to our personal liking of how we want the end to be.. and guess the choice we make will effect, hopefully, the next edition of DA.. if there ever will be one.

Indeed. 

I do want to be a seeker in the next game. 

If we are required to be Chantry Stooges (Seekers) in the next game, than I won't buy the next game.  Bottom line.

-Polaris

[Well]

Silfren wrote...

Well wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

I understand that mages which to be treated like everyone else with the same rights and privileges. But what do you do in a case like Meredith's sister who had magical talents as a child and her parents hid her away from the Circle. The child became demon possessed and turn into an abomination. The abomination slew all in her family save Meredith and then killed 70 villagers before it was bought down.

I do not know if Cullen is a bigot or seriously damaged by what he has gone through and seen. He makes an statement that could be considered bigoted. Mages are not like you and me.
But unfortunately there is a grain of truth in that.

One solution to keep families of mages together is that the parentst would have to supervise the child until a certain age and then send them to the Circle for training school in the daytime.The parents would be responsible for the child while at home and set up wards to protect the village or city. Appointed Circle mages would check on each student at home to ensure that the necessary safeguards are in place.
Once the mage has mastered themselves by going through the Harrowing they are allowed to take their place in society. The Circle would still monitor each mage. Each mage would be required to spend time monitoring other mages.. The Templars would still be kept as a force separate from the Chantry to hunt down mages who abuse their power. Those mages who abuse their power would be confined. If the deeds resulted in death a suitable punishment would be meted.
The use of lyrium would be stopped unless it is proven beyond a doubt that it enhances Templar abilities and not just to keep them addicted and in line.

Actually if you talk to him after the Harrowing in DAO he talked about him being assigned the one to deliver the death blow.When you said something to the effect I thought templars enjoyed it.He says something about some do  but he does it with a heavy heart.

Uh, yeah, if you're trying to use that to argue against Cullen's bigotry or something...that was before Uldred tortured him.  His opinion of mages prior to that incident is irrelevant, given that when you talk to him in Broken Circle, he makes it vividly plain that he now believes otherwise, and radically so.

It was in reference to this.
"I do not know if Cullen is a bigot or seriously damaged by what he has
gone through and seen. He makes an statement that could be considered
bigoted. Mages are not like you and me.
But unfortunately there is a grain of truth in that."

Also in that thread about mages are not like you and me you can dialog with Cullen talking about better educationing
the mages on the Chantrys position.

[TEWR]

Ryzaki wrote...


1. Your sister may be a GW/CM/Dead if she's a CM she benefits from a purged circle free of the stains of bloodmagic. If she's a GW/dead she probably doesn't give a hoot. Only Bethany that really cares about the circle's fate is a CM Bethany and that makes sense seeing as she's a CM herself and has become friends wth those people. 

How does a Circle Mage benefit from you killing all of her friends in front of her, killing the First Enchanter in front of her, and possibly killing her? The former two will cause psychological trauma, especially since her brother/sister is the one doing the killing.

Ryzaki wrote...
2. If you cared for the victims of the serial killer it is better to side with the templars. Someone high ranking in the circle (high enough rank that they could smuggle dark magic books and things normally forbidden to the killer) was supporting and benefiting from the research of bloodmagic. We don't know how many other bloodmages this person may have supported. But we know someone high ranking within the circle is endorsing bloodmagic. This is a extreme concern and the circle needs to be purged. We have no idea how many innocents were killed to fuel this knowledge. 

Necromancy is from the spirit school of magic you know. Animate dead and all that. And since the Spirit school is allowed to be taught, it seems that blood magic is a part of the Spirit school (this is just my personal speculative opinion mind you). And Quentin was insane. Orsino had no way of knowing what Quentin's intentions were at first. We also don't know when Orsino actually sent that letter. Was there a date on it? No. We don't know when Quentin went rogue mage and started his research.

3. Varric doesn't lose his tavern, Aveline can do her job properly (thanks to the templars only having to deal with the mages the city guard can focus on protecting the people more), Fenris is...fenris, Isabela goes wherever the wind takes her, Merrill has no ties to the circle in truth, only Anders suffers from this decision and since he started the mess..well he should suffer. 

Varric doesn't even own the tavern and the guard do their job properly regardless of who you side with. Aveline says that the Templars will receive no help from the Guard as they are too busy protecting the citizens. Technically Anders committed an act. That was it. The mess itself started when KC Meredith decided that now that she could call for a RoA, it was time to commit genocide on the mages when they were innocent of the crime, the Circle was NOT beyond saving, and her own personal bias against mages would be fulfilled. She even sent word for the RoA long before Anders' act was committed. She didn't invoke the RoA to avenge Elthina, she did it because with Elthina out of the way she could do it without anyone stopping her.

4. You're setting loose several mages that use blodmagic and will use it to dominate others. You have no way of knowing how much damage they'll cause. Yes you will kill innocent mages while purging the circle. It isn'tthe best thing but it is for the greater good in my Hawkes eyes. 

You have no way of knowing that these mages will cause any damage. Didn't you see in the cinematic of the RoA how no mage even used blood magic? They all used regular magic and got slaughtered.

[Rifneno]

Ryzaki wrote...

If you don't know the difference between me myself being neutral and my Hawkes being neutral I don't know what to say. 

And that last sentence...right. There's a reason I usually ignore your posts. 

1.  Quick, better edit this one!  http://social.biowar...4917/67#7352295

2.  Ditto.

IanPolaris wrote...

If we are required to be Chantry Stooges (Seekers) in the next game, than I won't buy the next game.  Bottom line.

-Polaris

Ditto.  No way, no how.

[Cyakura]

IanPolaris wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Cyakura wrote...

No matter how much we all debate here, it all comes down to our personal liking of how we want the end to be.. and guess the choice we make will effect, hopefully, the next edition of DA.. if there ever will be one.

Indeed. 

I do want to be a seeker in the next game. 

If we are required to be Chantry Stooges (Seekers) in the next game, than I won't buy the next game.  Bottom line.

-Polaris

I think you are taking these issues way too personally.. But I can not say I blame you.. I almost stopped playing this game cause could not kill Merrill But now all is good.. just as someone advised me.. enjoy it as a game.. and things you do not like.. just ignore.. and that is what I am doing.. and enjoying my game )