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[Perles75]

Seriously, is there one single person in a place of power in Kirkwall that is not wrong or just plain insane? This is why it's impossible to pick sides in DA2...
Orsino and Meredith are criminals; Elthina is responsible with her silences and her inaction; the Viscount is a weakling paralysed by politics; even the Arishok is blocked by his narrow-mindedness and his obstinacy. No wonder the story runs towards a precipice and everything goes wrong.

This doesn't excuse the act of Anders, but the seeds for destruction were there already, it was just a matter of time. The difference that Anders made, perhaps, was to turn the problem global (which was undoubtedly his purpose): without him, it would have remained within Kirkwall.
Even if, it must be said, the templar-chantry-circle structure is very unstable and something would have happened sooner or later.

[Rifneno]

Deztyn wrote...

But that depends on how much trouble those 10% cause, doesn't it?

Err. no? Because it's not only causing less overall abominations, it's producing those abominations in the middle of a templar stronghold.

Tarohne wanted New Tevinter Imperium, it's in the codex.

It was a MiB reference. I meant that she was an abomination at that point and we're hearing a demon talk, not the mage that fell to a demon.

Desire demons are nearly as powerful as Pride demons and they will make deals and run when cornered, we've seen that more than once in game.

Make deals yes, but I don't recall ever seeing one run. As for their power, I'd only believe that if it's a gameplay/lore separation. Because the desire demons encountered in-game are far weaker than prides in combat. With a desire demon I'm usually lazy and just autoattack whereas I break out the heavy artillery at the first sign of a pride demon. The prides still give me a lot more trouble.

Hawke would have to believe that she could take on an entire army and win, while being locked in a prison tower on an island. Game mechanics let us kill everything that steps in front of us, but from an RP perspective, I can't imagine a Hawke who would believe that she could literally take on an entire army and win. Not just survive and escape. Actually win.

Hawke's not alone. S/he is joining the entire Kirkwall Circle.

We have two examples of RoAs, both allow others to participate with permission from the Knight-Commander involved, I don't think it's fair to say that both examples are wrong.

It'd be a pretty bad game if the player couldn't fight what they perceive as the bad guys. But I'm not saying both are "wrong." I'm saying Gregior used a legal loophole. And Meredith... is there really any denying she breaks the law? Even if we don't get into her usurping power in Kirkwall, what about the lyrium idol? I don't mean its effects, I mean the fact it's lyrium. It's sure not Chantry approved lyrium through legal Orzammar channels. She got tainted by that thing because she was buying smuggled lyrium to feed her drug addiction.

[Rifneno]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally think that she was offered the position but she wasn't that interested until later, when Dorothea become Divine.

But if the conspiracy theory is true, Leliana being that good of a trickster is something of a turn on...

No offense, but your taste in women sucks.  

It's inconsistant writing for the sake of fooling the player rather than the Warden if she was a trickster all along.  Because if she was, then she'd have adapted her fake persona according to the Warden's rather than have a static one.

Ryzaki wrote...

*le sigh* And I already said I'm gonna agree to disagree with people on that point. If you're gonna bring up posts from pages past at least bother to read the arguments conclusion.

This isn't a matter of opinion or preference.  This isn't "Coke or Pepsi?" You're saying that taking someone's freedom away isn't a punishment and that's just plain wrong. Almost every legal penal system in history relies on this method for punishing criminals. You're not "agreeing to disagree" with us, you're "agreeing to disagree" with civilization. If you want to lie to yourself to make your video game choice all clear and moral for you, go right ahead. But don't come here and spout nonsense at us.

GavrielKay wrote...

A man I admire was once interviewed for a news program and asked about the conflict between privacy and safety and how we could catch more terrorists if we had less strict privacy laws.  His answer was that more people were just going to have to die.  This sounds cold at first, but I think it is a brave answer.  You shouldn't give up or take away too much freedom in the quest for safety.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin. One of my favorite quotes.

Silfren wrote...

There's some indication that it was Justice's idea for he and Anders to merge.  And whose to say that it wasn't Anders who was poisoned by Justice?  I'm just sayin'.

I agree. We don't really know what happened with the merge except that it went bad, nor the nature of spirits and how they work in certain situations. But we do know that Wynne was also possessed by a spirit and she had a good bit of anger in some things too. Even if the Warden tells her he's going to slaughter the children she's protecting she doesn't turn glowy abomination. Perhaps Justice was pretty much doomed to be corrupted as soon as he was flung into the mortal realm. Maybe even he got tainted somehow by the Countress demon. That woman was the most evil thing I've seen in Thedas. The woman she's based on is quite possibly the purest example of true evil in our real world (IMO) and that's saying a lot.

No, my anti-organized religio-political bodies bias is showing,

That's a fancy way of saying "intelligence."

Deztyn wrote...

Against the Qunari? Against Tevinter? Arguably against the Dales depending on which history you believe?

(Admittedly against Kirkwall would have been stupid.)

An Exalted March is just a fancy way of saying 'war', if you have a problem with that than every country in the world is guilty and should be brought down.

Against Kirkwall wouldn't even be the dumbest. The dumbest would be against the Tevinter Chantry. The whole thing happened because the Chantry got their panties in a twist over their Tevinter counterparts having lulz at the Divine's death. Quoteth the Wiki, "Relations between the two factions deteriorated steadily, culminating in a new Exalted March by the Val Royeaux Chantry in retaliation for the Black Divine's declaration of a celebration when the Divine Joyous II died in 4:40 Black." Ok, Tevinter was being offensive, but they weren't endangering innocent people by doing it. Going to a freakin' war over that shows a blatant disregard the lives of even their own followers. Oh, and the whole thing HELPED Tevinter. Check out how it ended. "The Imperial Chantry started to form its own dogma and policies, and the groundswell of mages fleeing from southern lands into Tevinter bolstered the empire’s waning power."

He also believes that in death the boy will be at the Maker's side.

Isn't that what suicide bombers say before they blow themselves up in a crowded marketplace? People who devalue human life on the basis that their religion says the good souls go to their deity's side anyway... Well, I'm not going to finish that though on the off-chance someone will think I'm talking about something I'm not.

[Beerfish]

There are plenty of cases in our society of decisions being made that benefit some at the cost of others.

For example, the Mississippi river in the usa and the Assiniboian river in Canada are at near all time high water marks. Bad bad flooding is imminent as the water heads towards urban centers. The decision has been made to breach the dikes on these rivers, on purpose to alleviate the water flow. The result in Canada is going to be farm land and about 100 house are probably going to be flooded....on purpose, to save 1000 homes or more down stream. It's not the fault of the 100 who are going to be flooded but for the greater good that is what they are going to do.

In more than one occasion US jets have been scrambled and given the authority of shoot down jet airliners if they have to in times of crisis. They were prepared to sacrifice civilian lives on planes if they thought it would save more on the ground.

That's just the way it is, whoever is in authority has to make those such decisions thus while the thought of never having an innocent person pay for something that might happen, it happens.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Rifneno wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I personally think that she was offered the position but she wasn't that interested until later, when Dorothea become Divine.

But if the conspiracy theory is true, Leliana being that good of a trickster is something of a turn on...

No offense, but your taste in women sucks.  

Morrigan lover here.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Deztyn wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Studied too much political science and history to ever think that any one party can get all the blame, or even most of it.

But as a neo-classical realist, I prefer to look at systemic causes first, specific events / individuals second.

... my brain went to art first, and for a split second I imagined Xanatos sculpting marble gargoyle figures.

Hmmm, that's the first time anyone thought I was an artist lol

Which I guess I am since "Politics is the art of the possible."

[Master Shiori]

Rifneno wrote...

Make deals yes, but I don't recall ever seeing one run. As for their power, I'd only believe that if it's a gameplay/lore separation. Because the desire demons encountered in-game are far weaker than prides in combat. With a desire demon I'm usually lazy and just autoattack whereas I break out the heavy artillery at the first sign of a pride demon. The prides still give me a lot more trouble.

It's pure gameplay mechanic.

Desire Demons are basically commanders who stand around waving hands to buff others, but have no special attacks to speak of.

Pride Demons are a cross between Ogres and spellcasters (gameplay wise ofc).

Rifneno wrote...



Hawke's not alone. S/he is joining the entire Kirkwall Circle.

Yes, but a big chunk of that Circle gets slaughtered before the templars even reach you and Orsino. And of those who do survive, some turn against you as you fight your way to Meredith.

Kind of ironic that no matter which side you pick, you end up killing both mages and templars.

Rifneno wrote...

I'm saying Gregior used a legal loophole.

Not sure I'd call it a legal loophole. Uldred started a coup. Irwing, Gregoir and their followers tried to oppose him but got overwhelmed.
Gregoir was forced to retreat, saw demons overrun the tower and kill everyone within reach and decided that the Circle was lost.
Sending word to Denerim and calling for reinforcements and a RoA was the only logical thing to do.

If the Warden saves Irwing and defeats Uldred, Gregoir revokes the RoA. He, at least, was being reasonable, unlike Meredith.

[KnightofPhoenix]

IanPolaris wrote...

For example, if the People's Republic of China used overt military exercises in the straights of Taiwan to influence elections in Taiwan (which btw they do with boring regularity) I think most people would consider this to be boorish international behavior at best, but it's NOT terrorism....but your definition would label it so.

-Polaris

The technical term in Poli Sci literrature is "swaggering".

[GavrielKay]

Isn't terrorism about attacking civilian targets in hopes that said terrorized civilians will pressure their government to negotiate? Generally it seems to be used by groups without sufficient military might to wage a traditional war, but still determined/desperate enough to use violence for their cause.

Anders felt that diplomatic solutions were impossible. He attacked what he probably considered a military target - though whether you agree with that is a judgement call. His method was pretty much guaranteed to have civilian casualties though and that makes a difference.

[GavrielKay]

Beerfish wrote...

There are plenty of cases in our society of decisions being made that benefit some at the cost of others.

Yes, that is quite true.  The instances you mention and most others I can think of involve a democratic society where everyone agrees to give up some freedoms/rights in order to benefit from being part of the whole. 

The people whose farms were destroyed due to releasing levies on the flooded river will likely be able to apply for state/federal money to help rebuild their lives.  Fighter planes shooting down a hijacked aircraft is a specific situation where the passengers are already in extreme danger.  9/11 destroyed the notion that a hijacker would just take the plane to a nice non-extradition country and turn everyone loose.  If you're going to die anyway, might as well be in such a way that the terrorists don't accomplish their goal at the same time.

The mages aren't men and women who chose to live in a fertile river valley and get flood insurance.  They aren't people who bought an airline ticket knowing that there was a remote chance of something terrible happening. 

The mages were merely born with an ability that their fellow man is afraid of and taught to consider a curse.  This is no willing surrender of rights by everyone in order that all may be safer. 

The rest of the people in these societies are not giving up equivalent rights in order to keep themselves safer.  I see no evidence of harsh curfews or travel restrictions.  No one else appears to be willing to give up the freedoms that the mages do in order to be safer.

So I stand by my original bafflement.  How is it right to systematically take away someone else's freedom for your safety?  Not criminals being tried and convicted and sent to jail mind you, just people who happen to be able to do something that you can't.

[Master Shiori]

GavrielKay wrote...

Anders felt that diplomatic solutions were impossible. He attacked what he probably considered a military target - though whether you agree with that is a judgement call. His method was pretty much guaranteed to have civilian casualties though and that makes a difference.

Anders never bothered with a diplomatic solution. His moto was "mages will be free at any cost" and any compromise was out of the question. That kind of hard line attitude makes diplomacy pointless.

The irony is that, once the Circle rebel and the templars go to war with them,  the Divine Justinia doesn't openly support the templars and acually sends the Seekers to find Hawke and enlist his/her aid to help resolve the conflict peacefully. Peaceful resolution is only possible if you're wiling to hear the other side out and reach some sort of agreement.

If the Divine believed the current system was fine, then the Chantry would have thrown it's support behind the templars and possibly called for an Exalted March against the rebel mages.

[GavrielKay]

Master Shiori wrote...

Anders never bothered with a diplomatic solution. His moto was "mages will be free at any cost" and any compromise was out of the question. That kind of hard line attitude makes diplomacy pointless.

I did say he felt it was impossible.  I'm not sure if he was right or wrong.  He did try in game to get Elthina to do something productive and failed.  We don't know what he's been working on in those lovely 3 year stretches of off-screen time.  Those gaps make role playing really difficult.  Do you imagine that Hawke and Anders have been desperately working with Orsino, Meredith and Elthina trying to get something done, or do you imagine they've been playing cards at the local pub?  We don't know and can role play it however suits us.

I think that any Chantry idea of compromise was likely to be so far off from what Anders wanted as to count for little to him.  The Chantry has precious little motivation to give up their stranglehold on the lives of mages.  When the starting position is as lopsided as the mage vs. Chantry situation, a compromise is awfully likely to continue to favor the dominant party by a wide margin.

[IanPolaris]

Master Shiori wrote...

GavrielKay wrote...

Anders felt that diplomatic solutions were impossible. He attacked what he probably considered a military target - though whether you agree with that is a judgement call. His method was pretty much guaranteed to have civilian casualties though and that makes a difference.

Anders never bothered with a diplomatic solution. His moto was "mages will be free at any cost" and any compromise was out of the question. That kind of hard line attitude makes diplomacy pointless.

That isn't true you know.  Anders waited for 7 years before going to that length, and even at the very, very end was hoping and praying that Grand Cleric Elthina would finally act so he wouldn't have to....in fact he asks you to talk to here specifically about mages and makes it clear that to him this is her one last chance to do so....but a valid and genuine chance.

GC Elthina, however, acted like GC Elthina and the rest is history.....

The irony is that, once the Circle rebel and the templars go to war with them,  the Divine Justinia doesn't openly support the templars and acually sends the Seekers to find Hawke and enlist his/her aid to help resolve the conflict peacefully. Peaceful resolution is only possible if you're wiling to hear the other side out and reach some sort of agreement.

We don't know for certain what the details are on that or if it was Divine Justina that sent the seekers on this mission.  I agree it's likely, but we don't know that for certain.  I think it's far more likely based on what Lellianna said in Faith, that Divine Justina had no problems at all with the current system or with Knight Commander Meredith until the entire situation exploded in her face.....and the reasons are clearly lost on both the Divine and her Seekers (bad Seekers, BAD.....knowing these things is your JOB!)  My guess is that Divine Justina hearing some of the rumors decided to make some soothing and pallative gestures to the mages (such as stripping Meredith of her command posthumusly) and not only were the mages unimpressed, but she managed to tick off the Templars too.

If the Divine believed the current system was fine, then the Chantry would have thrown it's support behind the templars and possibly called for an Exalted March against the rebel mages.

Again, we don't know the facts on this.  My guess is that the Templars don't want a return to the status quo either after Kirkwall.  They want to kill all mages everywhere.  Remember that the Templars were until less than a thousand years ago, a heretical offshoot of Andrastism known as the "Inquisitors" whose goal was to kill all magic and all demons in Thedas.  Seems like they've returned to form.  If so, then trying to restore the old system would be looked at with distain by the Templars.  In any event, in this one case both the mages and Templars are right.  The old system is dead, gone, kapput, and it's never, ever, coming back.

-Polaris

[Master Shiori]

GavrielKay wrote...

Do you imagine that Hawke and Anders have been desperately working with Orsino, Meredith and Elthina trying to get something done.

Actually, the codex entries on Anders tell you what happened to him during those "missing" years. They don't go into detail but give you a rough idea.

 

GavrielKay wrote...



I think that any Chantry idea of compromise was likely to be so far off from what Anders wanted as to count for little to him.  The Chantry has precious little motivation to give up their stranglehold on the lives of mages.  When the starting position is as lopsided as the mage vs. Chantry situation, a compromise is awfully likely to continue to favor the dominant party by a wide margin.

Anders' idea was for mages to be free without any supervision and the abolishment of the templars, the Circles and possibly the Chantry. Ofc, the Chantry wasn't going to accept such radical demands.

If he proposed a reform of the Circles that gave greater freedom to mages within and a system of control that would prevent abuses at the hands of the templars, then that could have been acceptable to the less conservative elements within the Chantry.

The Chantry has never before faced a threat of a mage uprising on a global scale. Even if the current rebellion is put down it won't prevent the same thing from happening in the future. The only permanent solution lies in compromise between the 2 sides.

[IanPolaris]

I don't think that even Anders was for mages being free of ALL regulation. However, he was opposed to the circles and long term so am I. There are better ways to regulate mages than dehumanizing them as a circle-prison tends to do.

[KnightofPhoenix]

IanPolaris wrote...

I don't think that even Anders was for mages being free of ALL regulation.

I don't think Anders had anything concrete in mind except rethoric. And by the end, he was clearly not sane and sober (the game even said he became paranoid).
In fact I found it disturbing that by that time, him and Justice were speaking in unison, whereas before there was a disconnect between what both said and did.

That's why he'll always remain a mentally disturbed fool who is not qualified to make such a decision in my eyes.

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[IanPolaris]

Master Shiori wrote...

The Chantry has never before faced a threat of a mage uprising on a global scale. Even if the current rebellion is put down it won't prevent the same thing from happening in the future. The only permanent solution lies in compromise between the 2 sides.

As I see it the only reasonable permanent solution that preserves both sides is for the Chantry to get out of the magic and mage control business....which is something the Chantry will fight tooth and nail since most of their secular power stems from this.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

I don't think that even Anders was for mages being free of ALL regulation.

I don't think Anders had anything concrete in mind except rethoric. And by the end, he was clearly not sane and sober (the game even said he became paranoid).
In fact I found it disturbing that by that time, him and Justice were speaking in unison, whereas before there was a disconnect between what both said and did.

That's why he'll always remain a mentally disturbed fool who is not qualified to make such a decision in my eyes.

A distinct point.  Excluding the obvious madmen (Anders), I still haven't met a "mage revolutionary/libertarian" that wanted mages and magic to be free of all regulation.  The most obnoxious want a Tevinter like system with the mages on top (which I don't agree with), but everyone agrees that magic and mages should be regulated.  It's just that the Chantry has failed at the task and failed badly.

-Polaris

[GavrielKay]

Master Shiori wrote...

The Chantry has never before faced a threat of a mage uprising on a global scale. Even if the current rebellion is put down it won't prevent the same thing from happening in the future. The only permanent solution lies in compromise between the 2 sides.

I will agree that's true, but I'm not convinced the Chantry is open minded enough to consider radical compromise despite this.  They've had 1000 years to think up ways to head this off.  I'm also personally probably closer to Anders point of view than the Chantry's.  I don't think the Chantry would consider any compromise that my Hawke (or I) would be satisfied with.  I think it's time for the corrupt militant religio-politic organizatin to fall on its face.  Obivously, that's just me

I tend to role play pretty darned close to what I actually feel for the majority of my playthroughs.  I toss in a few where my character behaves totally different from how I would for fun and to see how it plays out in the game.  So my Hawkes think Meredith is crazy long before we know she's crazy, that Elthina is a weak willed incompetent and that the Chantry heirarchy are far more invested in their power than the good of the people.

[Master Shiori]

IanPolaris wrote...

That isn't true you know.  Anders waited for 7 years before going to that length, and even at the very, very end was hoping and praying that Grand Cleric Elthina would finally act so he wouldn't have to....in fact he asks you to talk to here specifically about mages and makes it clear that to him this is her one last chance to do so....but a valid and genuine chance.

GC Elthina, however, acted like GC Elthina and the rest is history.....

Anders wanted freedom for mages everywhere, not just in Kirkwall.

Sure, Elthina taking action against Meredith would have solved the crisis in Kirkwall, but the general position of mages everywhere would have been left unchanged.

The better solution wouldhave been to have all the Circles present a united front and propose reforms that would improve the current system. That, at least, would have demonstrated that they are open to dialogue. 
Had the Chantry refused that, the mages would have been justified to rebel.

What we got instead was "a bar brawl where everyone gets pulled in, but nobody knows how it all started or how to end it".

IanPolaris wrote...



We don't know for certain what the details are on that or if it was Divine Justina that sent the seekers on this mission.  I agree it's likely, but we don't know that for certain.  I think it's far more likely based on what Lellianna said in Faith, that Divine Justina had no problems at all with the current system or with Knight Commander Meredith until the entire situation exploded in her face.....and the reasons are clearly lost on both the Divine and her Seekers (bad Seekers, BAD.....knowing these things is your JOB!)  My guess is that Divine Justina hearing some of the rumors decided to make some soothing and pallative gestures to the mages (such as stripping Meredith of her command posthumusly) and not only were the mages unimpressed, but she managed to tick off the Templars too.

We can't know for certain, but since the Seekers answer directly to the Divine, it's more the likely that she sent them.

As for Leliana, the reason Divine sent her to Kirkwall was because Meredith got tired of trying to convince Elthina of her paranoid delusions and had sent a message to the Divine asking her to approve the RoA on the Kirkwall Circle (Ser Karras tells you this in Act 3).
Leliana was supposed to verify that Meredith's claims were true. 

Unfortunately, the games never reveals what Leliana reported to the Divine or what Justinia's reaction would have been, other than the vague "Divine will be taking action against Kirkwall".

The last part of your post is pure speculation though. It could have also been that the templars demanded official support from the Chantry, but after not getting it, decided to break off and pursue the war on their own.

IanPolaris wrote...



Again, we don't know the facts on this.  My guess is that the Templars don't want a return to the status quo either after Kirkwall.  They want to kill all mages everywhere.  Remember that the Templars were until less than a thousand years ago, a heretical offshoot of Andrastism known as the "Inquisitors" whose goal was to kill all magic and all demons in Thedas.  Seems like they've returned to form.  If so, then trying to restore the old system would be looked at with distain by the Templars.  In any event, in this one case both the mages and Templars are right.  The old system is dead, gone, kapput, and it's never, ever, coming back.

-Polaris

Except if the Chantry made it publicly known that the templars are acting against the wishes of the Divine and Andraste herself (since Divine is considered to be Andraste's mortal representative on Thedas) it would strike a huge blow to any support they might enjoy from the common people, nobility and even rulers themselves.
The templars would effectively become a renegade order, no different than any other bandit or criminal.

Right now they don't enjoy open support from the Chantry, but aren't being condemned for breaking off either.

[GavrielKay]

Master Shiori wrote...

Actually, the codex entries on Anders tell you what happened to him during those "missing" years. They don't go into detail but give you a rough idea.

I don't think those few sentences even count as a rough idea.  The game should never have bee labeled an epic story spanning nearly a decade when 7 years out of that decade happen off screen.  I felt like Hawke was in a coma and woke up to people expecting her to fix their mess.

[IanPolaris]

Master Shiori wrote...

Right now they don't enjoy open support from the Chantry, but aren't being condemned for breaking off either.

How do you know this?

-Polaris

[Ryzaki]

GavrielKay wrote...
I don't think those few sentences even count as a rough idea.  The game should never have bee labeled an epic story spanning nearly a decade when 7 years out of that decade happen off screen.  I felt like Hawke was in a coma and woke up to people expecting her to fix their mess.

Ha! I'm in complete agreement with the bolded/underlined portion. 

[OldMan91]

I will agree that's true, but I'm not convinced the Chantry is open minded enough to consider radical compromise despite this. They've had 1000 years to think up ways to head this off. I'm also personally probably closer to Anders point of view than the Chantry's. I don't think the Chantry would consider any compromise that my Hawke (or I) would be satisfied with. I think it's time for the corrupt militant religio-politic organizatin to fall on its face. Obivously, that's just me

You're not the only one who thinks that. As it is right now, we have a transnational religious organization dictating policy and laws regarding mages and magic to every Andrastian state. It is critical for this to change if progress is to be made. I use the word "progress" in it's most philosophical meaning here.

It is a problem that Thedas most likely has no concept of "progress", and thus change is seen in a negative way. In my view, progress is all that matters. It must be the central theme and message of any revolution, reform or change in Thedas. If you want people to support you, you must show them that change will better the lives of everyone. The freedom of a few is inextricably tied with the freedom of all. Everyone benefits if you set a precedent for progressive change.

"Tomorrow is better than yesterday". If there is one thing Anders has done right, it is to believe in progress. He says it himself if you romance him, in the last conversation you have with him in the gallows: "We will fight for a world where our children can be born mages... and free. Ten years, a hundred years from now, someone like me will love someone like you, and there will be no Templars to tear them apart".

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[TEWR]

GavrielKay wrote...

Isn't terrorism about attacking civilian targets in hopes that said terrorized civilians will pressure their government to negotiate? Generally it seems to be used by groups without sufficient military might to wage a traditional war, but still determined/desperate enough to use violence for their cause.

Anders felt that diplomatic solutions were impossible. He attacked what he probably considered a military target - though whether you agree with that is a judgement call. His method was pretty much guaranteed to have civilian casualties though and that makes a difference.

agreed.

"I once heard that people turn to terrorism because they run out of hope." - Batou


Anders ran out of hope that the situation for the mages would either resolve itself or be resolved by Elthina. For a thousand years mages have given up more and more rights that other citizens are allowed and that didn't help either. Fear of mages grew even worse, mostly due to Chantry propagandist dogma calling their gift a curse from the Maker. Because only the Chantry knows what the Maker's intentions were.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 mai 2011 - 06:19 .