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Kajan451 wrote...
Vikings? No, not at all. Japanese Samurai.. yes.. sitting on an islang with a strong honor codex and a disadain for outsiders who do not have their culture and going like "you won't ever understand us"... yes... but Vikings? No, not really. The whole thing with their Tribe and Honor Code (not saying Vikings didn't have that as well) doesn't really fit to Vikings. Vikings never gave much about Standing and Station... they been all about "you are what you can seize and keep". If at all.. i'd go with Japanese Samurai with a tribal groove.


I meant Viking in appearance. 

Like if the Japanese and the Viking had love children, you'd get the Quanari.

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troll fail

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Aramintai wrote...

It's obvious that horned Qunari concept for DAII was made to explain why ogres have horns. Since darkspawn resemble their original forms, be it tall hurlocks (humans), short genlocks (dwarves), pointy eared shrieks (elves) it was only logical to question why ogres were so different from qunari.
As to why horns weren't implemented in the first game I'm thinking it would be either of these explanations:
- During the first game development devs didn't have the horned qunari concept in mind. Or didn't link qunari and ogres until the late stage.
- Horned ogre concept art was just too awesome to throw it away. And I seem to recall some dev said that in the early stage it had even bigger horns, so they even had to tell concept artist to make him less exaggerated.
- Sten is a companion and you would want him to wear any standard armor you find just like with the other companions. So that means no horns protruding from holes in bucket-helmet. Making his model unique would be too much effort in designing armor meshes exclusively for him. Same goes for other qunari in the first game. In DAII every companion has unique model and armor, which you can't change at your leisure, so even if devs decided to add a horned qunari companion in DAII it could have been done. But since qunari in DA II are just anther type of enemy devs were free to change them as they saw fit, so they decided to make them more ogre resembling, even at the expense on the continuity.

Personally, I think that new qunari model is more interesting and really distinguishes their race from others. In the first game they looked just like large humans.


The main reason in the discrepancy is the first one, in my opinion, which also leads to the other possible reasons that you have mentioned. To support your claim, I must point out the non-consistency in the codex entries in Origins, regarding the Ogres. On one hand, as some have pointed out, the entry for the Ogre states that these creatures appear during a blight - but the only blight prior to the fifth one was some 200 years before the Qunari landed in Thedas. On the other hand, the Brood Mother entry clearly states that ogres are born from qunari-sorta-Brood Mothers. So this is how I picture it:
-the dev team created horned ogres
-later they came up with the idea of the Brood Mother boss and consequtively the lore surrounding the Brood Mothers and the reproduction of darkspawn. Or vice versa, doesn't matter.
-they realised that Ogres being related to qunari is an awesome idea, Ogres with horns is an awesome idea and thus qunari with horns is an awesome idea.
-they realised, however, that they didn't have the resources (e.g. time) to change everything about Sten and to make new models for the helmets that are put on Sten and so on and so forth. They decided to leave the qunari the way they are in Origins and to apply the new look in future iterations of the DA franchise. After all, according to the dev team, work on DA2 had begun before Origins was released, which could mean that by the time DA:O came out, they had begun contemplating changing the qunari in futrure.

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Dark83 wrote...

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Let's break it down.

Bioware went into Origins wanting to put horns on the Qunari, including Sten.

How nice of them. I'm sure they wanted lots of things.

Unfortunately, they realized that doing so would mean having to have separate helmet meshes for Qunari and for humans, dwarfs, and elves.

Therefore, in Dragon Age Origins, Qunari had no horns. As far as Dragon Age canon was concerned at that point, Qunari had no horns.

They've explained the absense of horns in Origins, lore wise, in the codex.

So once Dragon Age 2 came out, Qunari had horns, and the reason why the ones in the first game didn't were explained away.


Perhaps you don't understand. The Origins codex explained why Sten didn't have horns. As far as Dragon Age canon was concerned at that point, Qunari had horns. Sten didn't.

It's not a retcon.

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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Perhaps you don't understand. The Origins codex explained why Sten didn't have horns. As far as Dragon Age canon was concerned at that point, Qunari had horns. Sten didn't.

If that was true, then it's not a retcon.

However, the Origins codex entry does not explain why Sten didn't have horns.

I see no Codex entry in Origins (or Awakenings) that mention horns for the Qunari - it's not in Sten's entry, it's not in the Qunari entry, not in the Broodmother's entry - in fact, not in any entry that contains the word "Qunari" that I could find. It's not in Par Vollen's entry, not in Rivian's entry - what have I missed?

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By the way, this picture:
http://images.wikia....ten_concept.jpg

is really shown on the DA:O site as a Concept art for Sten, but in the Player's Guide for Dragon Age RPG by Green Ronnin, the same picture is used to illustrate the Avvar background and this book was released in 2009, quite shortly after the release of DA:O. This convinces me even more that the "hornless" qunari idea was scrapped pretty soon and has actually came to existance in the first place because of technical restrains upon the team to create something too complex back then.

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Sen4lifE wrote...

Is he a late bloomer with dark markup?


The aliens stole it from futurama :P

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Not...Mordin wrote...

Way back when he had black hair Sten was originally a black human named Carl, he converted to the Qun and was made Sten after proving himself to the Arishok in one on one battle.


While this sounds a little silly, I would have rather Sten been a member of a conquered race which had converted to the Qun, than trying to say he was special by having no horns and the wrong skin tone.

That said, I actually like the new Qunari look.  I was very skeptical when it first came out that their new appearance would be red and white giants with horns, but in my opinon it isn't as silly looking as I had feared.

Modifié par elearon1, 23 mars 2011 - 10:26 .


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Sten isn't a Quanari, just a tall human male who thinks he is a Quanari and converted and took up the lifestyle and teachings of the Qun.

Wait that actually kinda made sense.......

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elearon1 wrote...

While this sounds a little silly, I would have rather Sten been a member of a conquered race which had converted to the Qun, than trying to say he was special by having no horns and the wrong skin tone.


So you are actually saying... there are no Qunari with different skin colors? Does that go for elven too? No black Elven? (Now mind you, i don't recall seeing many black, hispanic or other kind of skin colors at all)... i mean i can understand the whole dwaren having only one skin color.. with only .. 2 (or was it just one?) cites left.. they do not seem to be that plentiful anymore. (Luckily Hawke never had to fight against dwarven because by his tendency to kill at least 20 enemies per wave, he surely would have commited dwarven genocide by the end of the quest line)

But i do not really see why there couldn't be red, black, yellow or whatever color of Elven, Quinari and the gods know what they come up with next...

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Sten might just be a half-breed, That would explain why he looks more human than other qunari, and would explain his lack of horns (even if they apparently only are for special qunari and every qunari in DA2).

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Bottom line is the designers decided that Qunari look better with horns than without and designed them that way after DAO... since this is all make believe, create your own reason and it's all good. This is a fantasy world built by a whole bunch of white collar guys and geeks and believe it or not, they goof up... for reference: See Washington D.C ;]