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[Zkyire]

Look, Bioware simply needed more time to finish the game. They didn't have it.

Hopefully EA wont push them next time.

[TwistedComplex]

BiowareRoKKKs wrote...

Whahhhat are yew guyz talkking abouts? BIOWARE isnt racist or scandolous!! Theyz did the customer right by makings the da2!!! It didn't stampeede on our loyalty to the first gaym come on peoples. This franchise is going places whenz it says that theyz didn't expect repeating the samez 4 dungeooooOOns 190000 times to be makings the people angry YOU GUYZ SHOULDS BELEIVE THEM. This isn't obviously bs. You guys don't like the game then return it.....oh wait...

Coming from someone with KKK in their name, i doubt i could take anything you say seriously, even if i REALLY wanted to

Which i don't

[MonkeyLungs]

Bioware wants unique looking companions.
Players want to equip them with armor found in their adventures.

These two desires are NOT mutually exclusive.

Further I refute the assertion that to achieve these goals other things would have to be cut. I counter by asserting that to achieve these goals more time must be spent on development and Bioware should work harder.

[EccentricSage]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Everyone seems to agree about the reuse of environments and how lousy that was, but ...

You know there are plenty of people who actually enjoy the unique outfits, right? And that, had they scrapped the Blood Mage because there was no perfectly logical way to implement it (like the Warden in DA:O), I'd bet we'd have heard tons of rants about how they should've found a way to do just that, because "it should be our choice if Hawke wants to be a blood mage or not".

And whether or not it'd be easy to manage tons of people in the city from a technical perspective ... depends on how the characters are handled technically. Doesn't feel unlikely that you can't have huge throngs of people everywhere. Would've been nice with a bit more, though ...

Why not have the unique upgradable outfits, but optional?  I can't stand seeing Isabella dressed like some stripper bar wench.  It's beyond retarded to go into battle dressed like that.  Same goes for elves with bare feet. 

ORLY?  And why is that?  Please explain how it is IMPOSIBLE to come up with in-game logic for using Blood Magic, or alternatively in-game repercussions for being seen using Blood Magic.  The writing team and level design dev should have simply worked tohgether on figuring it out.  Only problem is that would be hard work, which this level designer aparently is too lazy to do.

Your last point I agree with.  I know they had time contraints, but really... we have moddrs here who have tested it out and say it shouldn't have been a problem, and there are plenty of games on the market that pull off higher population density without problems.  Maybe his excuse should be "I suck at my job, and did not think quality is important in a sequel.  We already have your money."

[Altima Darkspells]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

All right that does it, It is now time for the two Doctors to place the whole DA team on a constant educational diet of Baldurs Gate 1+2 force play.. and a topping of Planescape Torment to finish it of.

Or they should just give up and let Obsidian handle the Dragon Age franchise.

Of course, knowing Obsidian, if they got their hands on DA3, they'd make it so the darkspawn win.

Modifié par Altima Darkspells, 23 mars 2011 - 07:39 .

[Mooh Bear]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

All right that does it, It is now time for the two Doctors to place the whole DA team on a constant educational diet of Baldurs Gate 1+2 force play.. and a topping of Planescape Torment to finish it of.

Or they should just give up and let Obsidian handle the Dragon Age franchise.

Of course, knowing Obsidian, if they got their hands on DA3, they'd make it so the darkspawn win.

That'd be great, but if only Obsidian hires at least one decent programmer.

[Hurrrr]

Stop blaming EA, if this had been fantastic you'd hardly be crediting them. Nobody except the parties involved will know what happened or didn't happen on the publisher/developer front. EA as of late have been making some brilliant stuff, hell, they even published DA:O lest you forget, a game that really didn't suit the ethos of what some of you would claim they are.

Presuming xyz is at fault for whatever design decisions you didn't agree with is fine, sure, speculation is healthy. As soon as you start to cry over things that we simply have no idea about things get silly.

For me, this game pretty much generated the same reaction as Deux Ex : Invisible war. Something the project lead basically slated the hell out of 2 year after, though I suspect the dev studio involved here aren't quite as "in tune" with whats actually causing the outbursts on these forums (Hell, half the people complaining aren't sure)

Give you a hint, it has nothing to do with simplification.

[Hurrrr]

Mooh Bear wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

All right that does it, It is now time for the two Doctors to place the whole DA team on a constant educational diet of Baldurs Gate 1+2 force play.. and a topping of Planescape Torment to finish it of.

Or they should just give up and let Obsidian handle the Dragon Age franchise.

Of course, knowing Obsidian, if they got their hands on DA3, they'd make it so the darkspawn win.

That'd be great, but if only Obsidian hires at least one decent programmer.

Obsidian is a fantastic studio. Kotor 2 was utterly amazing, it had so much more going on than the prior. Wasn't finished sure, but christ it felt like I was playing a game written by the people behind LOST.

[Mooh Bear]

Hurrrr wrote...

Mooh Bear wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

All right that does it, It is now time for the two Doctors to place the whole DA team on a constant educational diet of Baldurs Gate 1+2 force play.. and a topping of Planescape Torment to finish it of.

Or they should just give up and let Obsidian handle the Dragon Age franchise.

Of course, knowing Obsidian, if they got their hands on DA3, they'd make it so the darkspawn win.

That'd be great, but if only Obsidian hires at least one decent programmer.

Obsidian is a fantastic studio. Kotor 2 was utterly amazing, it had so much more going on than the prior. Wasn't finished sure, but christ it felt like I was playing a game written by the people behind LOST.

I love Obsidian. I thoroughly enjoyed KoToR2, NWN2 and FNV. They make good games with good stories, but their games are also buggy as hell. 

[Altima Darkspells]

Mooh Bear wrote...


That'd be great, but if only Obsidian hires at least one decent programmer.

Do you want a DA2 that runs well, or do you want a Planescape Torment that isn't entirely optimized?

Mooh Bear wrote...

I love Obsidian. I thoroughly enjoyed KoToR2, NWN2 and FNV. They make good games with good stories, but their games are also buggy as hell. 

Because Origins and especially Awakening and DA2 were paragons of bug-free gaming.

Modifié par Altima Darkspells, 23 mars 2011 - 08:02 .

[dheer]

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Of course, knowing Obsidian, if they got their hands on DA3, they'd make it so the darkspawn win.

As long as Chris Avellone was the lead writer, I'd be there day one asking the clerk to take my money and give me the damn game.

[Altima Darkspells]

dheer wrote...

As long as Chris Avellone was the lead writer, I'd be there day one asking the clerk to take my money and give me the damn game.

I know, right?  DA2 was a good try, but no one makes a character suffer like Chris Avellone. <3

[Ploppy]

Mooh Bear wrote...
I love Obsidian. I thoroughly enjoyed KoToR2, NWN2 and FNV. They make good games with good stories, but their games are also buggy as hell. 

Between the huge, yet-to-be-fixed companion and inventory bugs in Awakening and the whole "whoops burned the wrong console discs" thing with DA2, I think Bioware can't really claim any superiority in that regard.

[Mooh Bear]

Altima Darkspells wrote...


Because Origins and especially Awakening and DA2 were paragons of bug-free gaming.

Bioware is not a paragon of good coding, but still, on this particular point, I still think Bioware>Obsidian. Or , to put it another way, if you feel that DA: O/DA2 are buggy, imagine what it would be with Obsidian at the helm. If only every dev would be like Blizzard...

Modifié par Mooh Bear, 23 mars 2011 - 08:10 .

[EccentricSage]

Hurrrr wrote...

Stop blaming EA, if this had been fantastic you'd hardly be crediting them. Nobody except the parties involved will know what happened or didn't happen on the publisher/developer front. EA as of late have been making some brilliant stuff, hell, they even published DA:O lest you forget, a game that really didn't suit the ethos of what some of you would claim they are.

Presuming xyz is at fault for whatever design decisions you didn't agree with is fine, sure, speculation is healthy. As soon as you start to cry over things that we simply have no idea about things get silly.

For me, this game pretty much generated the same reaction as Deux Ex : Invisible war. Something the project lead basically slated the hell out of 2 year after, though I suspect the dev studio involved here aren't quite as "in tune" with whats actually causing the outbursts on these forums (Hell, half the people complaining aren't sure)

Give you a hint, it has nothing to do with simplification.

EA PUBLISHES games.  They do not MAKE games.  That is why they would not be responsible for a good one.  If DA2 had a reasonable development period, and still came out the way it did, I would agree it is not EA's fault.  But the fact of the matter is that EA DID rush them.  The composer said they were rushed and Laidow said they were under heavy pressure from EA.  It was obvious back when the game was even anounced that it was being rushed.  Anybody with common sense was concerned at the short timeframe afforded to the new game.

That said, some of the blame for bad dessisions made under those time constraints DOES fall on individual members of the Dev team, and we are geting pretty clear ideas about who did what. 

How about instead of hinting, you just make your point?  You aren't going to join the OMG 4chan raid' crowd, are you?  I hope not.  It's pretty obvious from what I've seen on the forums that the trolls are in the minority and most disenting voices are sincere, though some more crude than others.

[Hurrrr]

No, not going to spend anymore time on these aggressive forums. Nobody seems able to breathe for all the righteous indignation they are throwing about.

I don't blame EA because Bioware made the game they set out to make.

[Cyocide]

Hey hey, lets ease up, this guy's catchin a lotta flak. His job title is a Level Designer, right? He DID design a level. He just wasn't given the time or budget for a second one. =P

*ba-dum-tish*

[General9999]

Q: Why is it no longer possible to manage your party's gear? Why is it that an armor worn by Hawke cannot be given to other characters?

A: There are many benefits of keeping a unique appearance for the companions: it gives them presence during cutscenes and dialogues and it's even useful during combat - they're easier to tell apart that way. I know it limits the possible customization but there are still many other elements you can upgrade such as weapons, accessories and even upgrade the main armor's stats.

He is joking right?
Right??

[Tommy6860]

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I like how he said they only borrowed two elements of ME's style, the dialogue wheel and the talking main character. there are more than that, the animations are one. Even little actions in DA2 are directly related to ME2, like when getting a drink at the Hanged Man, the action sequence is exactly the same as when Shepard get a drink at the Dark Star or Afterlife. When opening a chest or taking an item, the main character makes exclamatory comment like (I am paraphrasing here) ," This will come in handy". Not only that, how many different types of rune stones, armors and weapons do you need with literally hundreds of different names and enchantment types and levels. If you look at what those enchantments list when you decide to choose what to use, the item properties look just like the ones in Torchlight. Torchlight also has hundreds of various enchantec weapons as well. It seems like it copied from there too.

Torchlight Item Example:
www.xxlgaming.com/screenshots/torchlight-030211-002.jpg

DA2 item Example:
oi53.tinypic.com/2a9wizm.jpg

Modifié par Tommy6860, 23 mars 2011 - 09:45 .

[Kendaric Varkellen]

Well... looks like they'll keep going in the direction they took with DA II. It's a shame, I love the setting, but having read that interview I strongly doubt I'll be around to see much more of it.

Sorry, but if I want an action game instead of a RPG I'll go for Diablo. As much as I dislike that game, at least it doesn't try to pass for something it isn't.

[Altima Darkspells]

Mooh Bear wrote...

Bioware is not a paragon of good coding, but still, on this particular point, I still think Bioware>Obsidian. Or , to put it another way, if you feel that DA: O/DA2 are buggy, imagine what it would be with Obsidian at the helm. If only every dev would be like Blizzard...

The only reasons Obsidian is known for bugs is, one, people keep bringing it up, and two, they don't fix the bugs as quickly as they should (if ever).

Obsidian games may not be the best optimized, but I didn't see many 'lazy bugs' in their games (though, in their defense, I have yet to play very much into FONV).

When Origins shipped, it was pretty craptacular.  Remember the memory leak?  The one that started inflating loading times after about twenty minutes of play?  The one BioWare refused to acknowledge it exited until they released a patch to fix it?  It's still there, more or less, though not as bad as it used to be.  And all it took to fix it was to introduce a CTD bug.

Then there were the many, many problems with Awakening.  Quests not firing off, DLC items and abilities that BioWare promised would work that...don't, and even flippin' complete item sets just not being placed.

And with DA2, it seems like BioWare just gave up and just decided to ship the game with a list of known bugs and left it at that.  It will probably be weeks or months before we see a full fix.

So, frankly, I don't think 'bugs' and lack of optimization can be used against Obsidian at this point.  Obsidian's a small company.  What's BioWare's excuse?  "Oh, Origins only made over a hundred million dollars, and it's DLC only pulled in another ten or fifteen mill, tops.  Clearly we couldn't afford to make DA2 the sort of production value it deserves."

[Otterwarden]

segatakai wrote...

Easier to tell the characters apart? Wow, just wow. How stupid do they think we are? There are four of them!
I really liked the idea to choose different equipment depending on the build of the character in question, or sometimes just for good looks.

That's the one that quite frankly got me, since I assume that such an irrational fear would have to be supported by DA:O feedback.

I mean it was horrible trying to distinguish Oghren from Sten and dog from Morrigan.,, don't know how I managed to do it?

As has been said, the spin makes you dizzy.

Modifié par Otterwarden, 23 mars 2011 - 10:27 .

[RohanD]

This interview is laughable. The defensiveness of the developers in response to valid concerns and criticism is a total insult to their consumers who actually expect a certain level if quality from a bioware product. Those expectations are quickly being lowered, firstly by the sub standard game they have produced and secondly by the developers' unapologetic defense of glaring design flaws and technical issues. They continue to tell us that our complaints are unfounded and we are just "afraid of change".

We're not afraid of change, but we don't like crap bioware, and sorry, DA2, is crap.