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[MKDAWUSS]

dewayne31 wrote...

KOP123 wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

Thoughts? Do you think poor sales might affect the possibilty of DA3?

Not a chance in hell; DA3 is years and plenty of hype away, plus Bioware will listen to the forums for what players are looking for.....

i bet we'll see da3 in mid to late 2012

That's what my predicition has been. I'm thinking we'll hear about it 6 months from now and it'll be out September-November 2012. And I have a feeling that it may be political in nature considering it will be an election year in (at least) the US. IIRC election-year games tend to have a few political statements in them.

[Turnip Root]

I don't know if I buy the argument that EA is rushing Bioware. Just look at The Old Republic. EA has given Bioware plenty of time to work on that. It's been in development for 4 years.

[Crash_7]

If DA 3 comes out before June 2013 I won't touch it with a barge pole. I'd like to see a minimum of three years put into DA 3.

[Athro]

Turnip Root wrote...

I know it was well received critically, but I heard it sold under 2 million copies which is less than what Dragon Age:Origins and the original Mass Effect sold. Usually when a sequel fails to outsell it's predecessor that is considered a bad sign since sequels are supposed to sell better.

Mass Effect 2 did not sell 2 million in the first couple of weeks. Dragon Age 2 has barely been out for two weeks - so it's a bit early to be declaring that it is a failure.

I know some people here are super eager to see DA2 fail - but there is, as of yet, not enough information to be declaring victory over Bioware. There is no solid source of information regarding total sales and relying on "current sellers" lists on websites is not a reliable data source.

C.

[Cobrawar]

The price is too expensive considering if you want all of the content at release. I would of rather of seen bioware playing it safe then taking poor risks. As for da3 I don't know because now its kinda of scary to see what bioware will do now.

[Icinix]

Success can't be measured by one area alone.
At the very minimum you have Critic Reviews, Fan Opinion, Sales Figures...
In two weeks, those three are nowhere NEAR having a definitive answer to the final success of the game.

I've got my issues with DA2, but calling it a total failure this early..nah..thats just silly.

[dewayne31]

Didn't we hear bout me3 bout 6months after me2 came out?

[Turnip Root]

dewayne31 wrote...

Didn't we hear bout me3 bout 6months after me2 came out?

More like 10 months and it was only a CG teaser.  We have yet to see a single screenshot of footage from the actual game.

[flakmeister_mcg]

I doubt DA2 will become a financial failure for EA. Judging from the charts provided it still fares rather well across all available platforms. Considering the game's short development cycle and reused assets, I'm sure the big wigs will scratch DA2 off as a tidy profit from what they intend to be another cash cow franchise to be milked regularly.

[dewayne31]

Crash_7 wrote...

If DA 3 comes out before June 2013 I won't touch it with a barge pole. I'd like to see a minimum of three years put into DA 3.

i would too, but i seriously dioubt they'll put 3yrs into it. just going by the previous release cycle.

[dewayne31]

Turnip Root wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Didn't we hear bout me3 bout 6months after me2 came out?

More like 10 months and it was only a CG teaser.  We have yet to see a single screenshot of footage from the actual game.

i think that will change next week tuesday...

[DungeonLord]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I hope Bioware can recover from this. Mass Effect 2 sold poorly too so I fear this may mean EA shutting Bioware down.

While I agree that'd be the natural EA conclusion to something like this, it never would have happened if they hadn't forced them to get the game out so fast. ME2 and DA2's failures are both on EA's account. They think that they can take Bioware's rpg fanbase, and turn out a game every year to get money from us. What they need to understand is that we value quality games over rushed games. I'm sure we all have the patience to wait for Bioware to fully develop their games. DA2 has many bugs that are gamebreaking. Some companion quests can't even be finished, and it's really an annoyance. If they would have waited, their sales would have been so much better. But EA's philosophy is get it out quick, and make a quick buck off of it. They don't understand that if they take their time, and release a highly polished, quality drenched game they will actually make more profits off of it rather than a large amount in the first week, and then very few in the subsequent months. But some things never change. EA's business plan is one of them. I'm glad people are rioting on the forums, because it shows them we won't put up with their junk.

-Polite

You're spot on. We want QUALITY over quantity. EA is really screwing up what was once a great company. Rushing deadlines and half assed products. Way to go. How's that merger working out for ya?

Bioware/EA are replacing the old school fans of RPGs with a different type of crowd. One that is substantially larger and more twitch happy.

But it's okay. No, really, it is. Other companies will fill the void left behind once EA turns Bioware into a  black hole.

I predict a very bleak future for Bioware and I'm almost certain that SWTOR will tank something fierce. Perhaps some of the dev team will take off and make their own studio, focusing on the games that made Bioware popular in the past. Just hope they fare better than Troika did

Hopefully I'm wrong and the next product that comes out will be brilliant.

[Turnip Root]

dewayne31 wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Didn't we hear bout me3 bout 6months after me2 came out?

More like 10 months and it was only a CG teaser.  We have yet to see a single screenshot of footage from the actual game.

i think that will change next week tuesday...

Really, what is so special about tuesday?

[Siansonea]

Sales figures and critical reception will definitely influence DA3, there's no doubt about it. How could it not? If DA2 does not perform financially the way it was projected to, somebody is going to want to know why, and that somebody will probably be giving the design and production staff a lot of notes about DA3. It's a business, and that's what businesses do. Of course, we don't know if the game is underperforming financially, that's something that is more than likely only known by the management of BioWare and EA, though we can certainly speculate based on information like sales rankings and whatnot.

[DTKT]

Turnip Root wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

Didn't we hear bout me3 bout 6months after me2 came out?

More like 10 months and it was only a CG teaser.  We have yet to see a single screenshot of footage from the actual game.

i think that will change next week tuesday...

Really, what is so special about tuesday?

Arrival DLC with a teaser trailer. (and the DLC itself)

[facialstrokage]

Athro wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I know it was well received critically, but I heard it sold under 2 million copies which is less than what Dragon Age:Origins and the original Mass Effect sold. Usually when a sequel fails to outsell it's predecessor that is considered a bad sign since sequels are supposed to sell better.

Mass Effect 2 did not sell 2 million in the first couple of weeks. Dragon Age 2 has barely been out for two weeks - so it's a bit early to be declaring that it is a failure.

I know some people here are super eager to see DA2 fail - but there is, as of yet, not enough information to be declaring victory over Bioware. There is no solid source of information regarding total sales and relying on "current sellers" lists on websites is not a reliable data source.

C.

I don't know where you guys are getting these numbers. ME2 sold over 2 million copies within the first week!

www.1up.com/news/mass-effect-2-week-sales

The PS3 version just came out and is selling out already.

Source: check ME2 forum announcements.

ME1 barely sold 1.6 million in 6 weeks.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect#cite_note-85

And has sold 2.4 million total (xbox at least, but i doubt PC sales for ME are that much anyways).

gamrreview.vgchartz.com/game/7635/mass-effect/


DA2 does not come close. And probably will not in the future. First week sold about 700,000 across all platforms
www.vgchartz.com/

DAO has sold 3.2 million as of Feb 8.
www.bluesnews.com/s/107210/on-dragon-age-origins-sales

The order looks more like this:

DA2<ME1<DAO<ME2

Modifié par facialstrokage, 23 mars 2011 - 02:51 .

[NRO TYN]

KOP123 wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

Thoughts? Do you think poor sales might affect the possibilty of DA3?

Not a chance in hell; DA3 is years and plenty of hype away, plus Bioware will listen to the forums for what players are looking for.....

Im not gonna lie i lol'd

[Cybermortis]

Turnip Root wrote...

I know it was well received critically, but I heard it sold under 2 million copies which is less than what Dragon Age:Origins and the original Mass Effect sold.

The two million figure was for the sales in the first week, not overall figures for the game. Off the top of my head I think the sales figures for the PC version of Mass Effect 2 alone are over 5 million. The Xbox version seems to have around the same number of sales give or take a million and the PS3 version, which is of course new - and baring in mind that more than a few PS3 owners probably already have the game on PC or Xbox anyway - stands at around a million.

Mass Effect 2 also won a Bafta for best game of the year, the last game I can think of that managed that was Fallout 3.

[astrallite]

Dropped out of the Top 10 on Steam after a week.

[Cybermortis]

It will be interesting to see how the DLC sales go. This will really show what people thought of the game - I'm expecting very low DLC sales.

I'm also expecting Bioware/EA not to release any figures on it.

[BiowareRoKKKs]

I wouldn't recommend da2 to my friends for a dollar. Waste of time.

[Slayer299]

Turnip Root wrote...

I don't know if I buy the argument that EA is rushing Bioware. Just look at The Old Republic. EA has given Bioware plenty of time to work on that. It's been in development for 4 years.

But SW isn't an BW IP, they rented/leased/whatever the license for SW, it's the property of Lucas Arts and George might not want it rushed out the door for it to be truly successful if he's keeping some control or oversight over the project.

But can you really say that EA isn't rushing BW after playing DA2?

[Slayer299]

Cybermortis wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I know it was well received critically, but I heard it sold under 2 million copies which is less than what Dragon Age:Origins and the original Mass Effect sold.

The two million figure was for the sales in the first week, not overall figures for the game. Off the top of my head I think the sales figures for the PC version of Mass Effect 2 alone are over 5 million. The Xbox version seems to have around the same number of sales give or take a million and the PS3 version, which is of course new - and baring in mind that more than a few PS3 owners probably already have the game on PC or Xbox anyway - stands at around a million.

Mass Effect 2 also won a Bafta for best game of the year, the last game I can think of that managed that was Fallout 3.

What are you sources for the PC sales of ME2? I've seen VGChartz (whose numbers can be suspect) putting the total sales of xbox units at 2.5 million or so.

[Gatt9]

Slayer299 wrote...

Cybermortis wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I know it was well received critically, but I heard it sold under 2 million copies which is less than what Dragon Age:Origins and the original Mass Effect sold.

The two million figure was for the sales in the first week, not overall figures for the game. Off the top of my head I think the sales figures for the PC version of Mass Effect 2 alone are over 5 million. The Xbox version seems to have around the same number of sales give or take a million and the PS3 version, which is of course new - and baring in mind that more than a few PS3 owners probably already have the game on PC or Xbox anyway - stands at around a million.

Mass Effect 2 also won a Bafta for best game of the year, the last game I can think of that managed that was Fallout 3.

What are you sources for the PC sales of ME2? I've seen VGChartz (whose numbers can be suspect) putting the total sales of xbox units at 2.5 million or so.

He hasn't realized that companies like to use the word "Shipped" and "Sold" interchangably.  ME2 didn't sell 2 million copies in it's first week,  it shipped 2 million copies,  the highest sales figure is vgChartz at 2.5 million units sold.    It did not sell 5 million copies.

The highest selling game ever is The Sims with 13 million copies.  The highest selling series is Pokemon.  ME2 sold less than Fable 2 and less than Oblivion,  likely less than Fallout 3,  definitely less than DAO.

Thoughts? Do you think poor sales might affect the possibilty of DA3?

I doubt Bioware will be around.  I expect DA2 to show poorly.  I expect ME3 to sell significantly worse than ME2,  as it's lost some number of customers who thought they were getting a sequel to ME not Gears of War.  From what I'm hearing alot of people aren't impressed by Star Wars.

EA's stock is down,  if the NFL holds to a lockout EA's going to take a major beating on it's sports series.  It's got alot of money tied up in SW.  If 2011 is a bad year for EA,  they're going to be in alot of trouble going into 2012,  and I doubt Bioware will make it through.  The only solid subsidiary they have right now is Maxis.  Bioware's a big question mark at this point.

TBH,  I suspect 2011 could break EA.  I doubt very highly they have the strength to survive Star Wars releasing badly and NFL doing badly.  I think the stock market's showing little faith in EA at this point as well.

[Merced652]

EA still has DICE, and while DICE isn't a huge name they still make the best mass player online shooters in the industry since Activision said FU to pc and limited mw2 to like 12 players and no dedicated servers. 64 player BF2 was awesome. BF3 will hopefully make better showings than all their showings since bf2. Actually since they started developing for console DICE has gone to **** too.