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[EccentricSage]

City6 wrote...

KOP123 wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

Thoughts? Do you think poor sales might affect the possibilty of DA3?

Not a chance in hell; DA3 is years and plenty of hype away, plus Bioware will listen to the forums for what players are looking for.....

I'm hoping Skyrim does well, just to show Bioware that freedom and variety really are appreciated.

I think it will, even despite Oblivion having a retarded storyline, they do always push inovation, and on PC they are known for having the most incredible modding comunity.  If I buy it for the PC, and end up dissapointed again, I will still get a lot of play time so long as they continue to support their modding comunity.

As far as the next Dragon Age goes... we've not heard much yet.  Has anyone even heard any word of what kind of development time they are getting for the next game?  In a way it's encouraging that we AREN'T hearing much, unlike with DA:2  Maybe they are actually getting a bit of a cool down period this time to mull over the flaws in this game, as well as some of the more thoughtful critiques of fans and Critics.  With DA:2 I feal kind of bad for the devs, because they already had to start development before they even knew what people thought of Origins.

[Jman5]

This is the market trend for almost all major/hyped games. Most of the sales come in the first week and then dramatically drop off. This is especially true for single player only games.

It's only in very rare cases where word of mouth can keep sales steady over a longer period of time.

[Jaron Oberyn]

DungeonLord wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I hope Bioware can recover from this. Mass Effect 2 sold poorly too so I fear this may mean EA shutting Bioware down.

While I agree that'd be the natural EA conclusion to something like this, it never would have happened if they hadn't forced them to get the game out so fast. ME2 and DA2's failures are both on EA's account. They think that they can take Bioware's rpg fanbase, and turn out a game every year to get money from us. What they need to understand is that we value quality games over rushed games. I'm sure we all have the patience to wait for Bioware to fully develop their games. DA2 has many bugs that are gamebreaking. Some companion quests can't even be finished, and it's really an annoyance. If they would have waited, their sales would have been so much better. But EA's philosophy is get it out quick, and make a quick buck off of it. They don't understand that if they take their time, and release a highly polished, quality drenched game they will actually make more profits off of it rather than a large amount in the first week, and then very few in the subsequent months. But some things never change. EA's business plan is one of them. I'm glad people are rioting on the forums, because it shows them we won't put up with their junk.

-Polite

You're spot on. We want QUALITY over quantity. EA is really screwing up what was once a great company. Rushing deadlines and half assed products. Way to go. How's that merger working out for ya?

Bioware/EA are replacing the old school fans of RPGs with a different type of crowd. One that is substantially larger and more twitch happy.

But it's okay. No, really, it is. Other companies will fill the void left behind once EA turns Bioware into a  black hole.

I predict a very bleak future for Bioware and I'm almost certain that SWTOR will tank something fierce. Perhaps some of the dev team will take off and make their own studio, focusing on the games that made Bioware popular in the past. Just hope they fare better than Troika did

Hopefully I'm wrong and the next product that comes out will be brilliant.

But if you think about it, DA2 was neither quality nor quantity. So they failed on both ends.

-Polite

[Slayer299]

Gatt9 wrote...
He hasn't realized that companies like to use the word "Shipped" and "Sold" interchangably.  ME2 didn't sell 2 million copies in it's first week,  it shipped 2 million copies,  the highest sales figure is vgChartz at 2.5 million units sold.    It did not sell 5 million copies.

I know, I was just attempting to have him see that there is a difference between the two. Thank you though

[NinjaRogue]

Square Enix survived Final Fantasy XIII, Bioware can survive Dragon Age 2. (which I love)

[astrallite]

NinjaRogue wrote...

Square Enix survived Final Fantasy XIII, Bioware can survive Dragon Age 2. (which I love)

Selling close to 7 million copies is enough to put the food on the table for Square Enix.

[NinjaRogue]

astrallite wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

Square Enix survived Final Fantasy XIII, Bioware can survive Dragon Age 2. (which I love)

Selling close to 7 million copies is enough to put the food on the table for Square Enix.

And??? We don't have the end figures for DA2. From what I have heard most people didn't like XIII, even though I personally love it. 

[astrallite]

NinjaRogue wrote...

astrallite wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

Square Enix survived Final Fantasy XIII, Bioware can survive Dragon Age 2. (which I love)

Selling close to 7 million copies is enough to put the food on the table for Square Enix.

And??? We don't have the end figures for DA2. From what I have heard most people didn't like XIII, even though I personally love it. 

Oh yes you are right...DA2 will definitely outsell FF13...

[Athro]

astrallite wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

astrallite wrote...

NinjaRogue wrote...

Square Enix survived Final Fantasy XIII, Bioware can survive Dragon Age 2. (which I love)

Selling close to 7 million copies is enough to put the food on the table for Square Enix.

And??? We don't have the end figures for DA2. From what I have heard most people didn't like XIII, even though I personally love it. 

Oh yes you are right...DA2 will definitely outsell FF13...

Considering FF13 sold in excess of 5 million units in the first few weeks of release - I wouldn't be too mocking of FF13.

And I suspect that you will find DA2 outsells what the crowd here expects as well. Both games have had the same kind of internet hew and cry - but FFXIII sold so well they are making a sequel game for it.

C.

[NinjaRogue]

For 1. Here's a cookie for putting words in my mouth.

for 2. I am not mocking FFXIII, one of my favorite games, I am mocking at how people can complain about a game and it somehow still do just fine.

[Mahrdol]

People say the players reviews don't matter but I have to disagree. I have 3 friends who all bought PC DA:O and all the DLC that didn't buy DA:2. Two of them specifically mentioned the player reviews. One said good thing I waited for the reviews and here I am thinking ya I was the sucker that pre-ordered the signature edition thinking it was going to be as good as the DA:O collectors edition. When I went to pick up my preorder I knew I was in trouble.

[Shirosaki17]

NinjaRogue wrote...

For 1. Here's a cookie for putting words in my mouth.

for 2. I am not mocking FFXIII, one of my favorite games, I am mocking at how people can complain about a game and it somehow still do just fine.

What he's saying though, is that FF13 sold enough copies to be successful and profitable, regardless of how bad it was.

[asaiasai]

KOP123 wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

Thoughts? Do you think poor sales might affect the possibilty of DA3?

Not a chance in hell; DA3 is years and plenty of hype away, plus Bioware will listen to the forums for what players are looking for.....

I just blew coffee out of my nose, if Bioware had listened to the fans initially DA2 would be a different entity all together. If they listened to the fans especially concerning the limited character customization that fans screamed about with Mass Effect 2 (2 outfits for your squaddies, DLC armor that has no way to remove helmets), DA2 would be a different entity. No i do not see it happening, Bioware is going to make the game they want or the one EA tells them to. You as the customer will get pretty platitudes on the forums, which i supposed is better than none, but you will not have any impact on the development, this track record is plain to see with the "twos" (ME2 and DA2). If you believe anything different you are seriously delusional, Bioware was warned by alot of folks on these boards about keeping thier Mass Effect out of our DAO, but they just could not help themselves. Mass Effect and DAO should be complete different entities appealing to different audiences, who are looking for different experiences, instead we get the generic "twos". Nice jobs guys lowering the bar for gamers everywhere.

Asai 

[TheShadowWolf911]

owned

[Vicious]

This is the end for Dragon Age.

The bright side:

Mass Effect will at least get a proper ending.

The downside:

They will focus all their efforts on The Old Republic and that will pretty much be it for Bioware.

[Chris_Really_Rocks]

Even if it only sells one million copies ever..... Who is to say that is bad. If a million copies equals 20 million in revenue (for sake of argument) how is that bad for a wrpg?

[astrallite]

Vicious wrote...

This is the end for Dragon Age.

The bright side:

Mass Effect will at least get a proper ending.

The downside:

They will focus all their efforts on The Old Republic and that will pretty much be it for Bioware.

If the $300 million they dumped into TOR doesn't create a stable cash flow then you may as well create your account on the Obsidian forums now.

Chris_Really_Rocks wrote...

Even if it only sells one
million copies ever..... Who is to say that is bad. If a million
copies equals 20 million in revenue (for sake of argument) how is that
bad for a wrpg?

The amount of time and effort they spent on the demo, PR, and DLC marketing alone is not going to be covered by one million copies, much less break even the game development costs.

Modifié par astrallite, 23 mars 2011 - 06:10 .

[Turnip Root]

Fortunately, it looks like World of Warcraft has finally peaked. People are tired of the dated graphics, the boring fetch quests, and the no longer funny Leeroy Jenkins jokes. It looks like The Old Republic will be being released during the beginning of WOW's decline.

WOW will probably continue to exist for decades but it will eventually become more like Everquest where only a fringe minority of people still play it. The Old Republic and Bioware are the new kids on the MMORPG block.

[Monsteroids]

Bunch of bitter old gits.

[TwistedComplex]

City6 wrote...

KOP123 wrote...

Iamnotahater wrote...

Thoughts? Do you think poor sales might affect the possibilty of DA3?

Not a chance in hell; DA3 is years and plenty of hype away, plus Bioware will listen to the forums for what players are looking for.....

I'm hoping Skyrim does well, just to show Bioware that freedom and variety really are appreciated.

If you're asking Bioware to make games free roam, then get off the forums

Bioware games have NEVER been free roam, nor should they ever

[Hatchetman77]

You have to be careful with sales figures. Sometimes the figures represent the number of units BioWare has sold (so that would be direct orders and sales to retail outlets) and sometimes it actually represents the number of units players have purchases (which would include BioWare direct sales and purchases from the stores themselves).  So BioWare could sell millions of units to retail stores and reflect that as being the number of units sold, but all of those game boxes could still be sitting in the store unpurchased by players.  

[molbani]

Turnip Root wrote...

I know it was well received critically, but I heard it sold under 2 million copies which is less than what Dragon Age:Origins and the original Mass Effect sold. Usually when a sequel fails to outsell it's predecessor that is considered a bad sign since sequels are supposed to sell better.

http://gamrreview.vg.../mass-effect-2/

stop trolling,please, ME 2 sold 2.3 m units on the xbox alone. and its sold around 0.30 PS3,  and ofcourse there are the PC sales.

[SphereofSilence]

Iamnotahater wrote...

Dragon age drops to 5th in the UK (PC) after being the top selling game the week before

http://www.chart-tra...t.jsp&ct=110022

Riding high on metacritic Shogun: Total War 2 has taken the top spot (average rating 91 on metacritic - 8.6 user score).

Thoughts? Do you think poor sales might affect the possibilty of DA3?

Hope not. It's possible. I think when it comes down to it, Bioware isn't going to throw away it's baby of a DA just like that. Success isn't always smooth sailing, and I think they will make a DA3. Really hope EA/Bioware continue to increase and commit more resources into DA3 and beyond, it's the only way the franchise is going to expand. Bioware had some great things planned for the story and universe of DA, I can't wait to experience them all. Played a bit of DA2 now, it's not perfect, but it's not that bad as lots of others make it out to be (at least to me). In fact I am pleasantly surprised at some of the aspects BW did well with it. If BW continue to refine, retaining the best elements of DA2 and tweaking others, as well as learning the lessons from its critics, DA3 is going to be a hell of a game.

[Altima Darkspells]

Gatt9 wrote...
I doubt Bioware will be around.  I expect DA2 to show poorly.  I expect ME3 to sell significantly worse than ME2,  as it's lost some number of customers who thought they were getting a sequel to ME not Gears of War.  From what I'm hearing alot of people aren't impressed by Star Wars.

EA's stock is down,  if the NFL holds to a lockout EA's going to take a major beating on it's sports series.  It's got alot of money tied up in SW.  If 2011 is a bad year for EA,  they're going to be in alot of trouble going into 2012,  and I doubt Bioware will make it through.  The only solid subsidiary they have right now is Maxis.  Bioware's a big question mark at this point.

TBH,  I suspect 2011 could break EA.  I doubt very highly they have the strength to survive Star Wars releasing badly and NFL doing badly.  I think the stock market's showing little faith in EA at this point as well.

I'm not so sure.  Yes, EA is doing a bit poorly (the whole Signature Edition pre-order crap was just to boost their quarterly/yearly sales figure), but their games--at least form BioWare--are at least selling enough to recoup their losses, and then some.

I mean, even crappy DA2 has sold close to a million copies, and at fifty dollars a pop, that should be a lot more than the production costs.

ME3 is coming out, and because of all its critical praise for ME2, I think it will sell a bit better than ME2.  The fact that ME3 will be released on all three primary consoles at launch--instead of just two--will be a boon.

Then there's TOR.  Between the BioWare name and the Star Wars name, it basically has the Blizzard effect--the EA executives could quite literally take a dump in the box, and it would sell a million copies.  Add onto that at least six months of subscriptions.  Remember, despite all the BS companies say, MMOs can easily be supported on box sales.  Heck, EA itself has stated that TOR will be substantially profitable with only 500,000 units sold and people subscribed.  That feat will be ridiculously easy to get.

I've honestly no idea why EA let DA2 out so poorly.  Even if it sells well in the short run, in the long run it will hurt sales if they ever want to nurture the Dragon Age IP.  And a lot of games from BioWare are only backed up by their name, so any sort of crap will hurt those as well.  Between the way ME2 alienated a lot of fans, the questionable quality of Awakening, and such, it just seems like bad business moves to release obviously rushed, corner cutted mediocre games.

Of course, maybe EA feels it can get away with it since there's essentially very little competition in RPG land.