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[djackson75]

Turnip Root wrote...

I'm not sure how much retailers make off of new games but I think it's only like 5 dollars. That is why retailers like Gamestop heavily promote used game trading since they make much more money off of those.

Also, I stand corrected about Mass Effect 2's sales.  I heard it sold worse than Mass Effect 1.

And it's used game sales that spawned mass DLC content. The companies felt like used game sales were cutting in to new game sales... so to make up for it... $7 for a 40 meg download!!

[Bathead]

Even if they don't hit their target sales numbers, they are still gonna make one hell of a profit.

[Realmzmaster]

The only numbers that really matter are the amounts of revenues and expenses. If DA 2 sales and profit margin meet EA/Bioware 's expectation then DA 2 is a success. If the sales barely cover or do not cover the development costs then its a failure. The number of units purchased is nice, but if EA covers its cost and makes a profit the game is a success.
It may not be as successful as other games. The question is did or does EA make a profit.
Also EA can factor in any DLC that can be sold for DA 2.
This is a business. If EA/Bioware can attract a larger audience with DA 2 it will continue in that direction. If it gains more new gamers because of DA 2 and its changes then it has chosen well.

That is the big If.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 23 mars 2011 - 04:25 .

[Stazro]

I don't think dropping sales endanger Dragon Age 3, but they may change the approach taken towards it.

[djackson75]

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only numbers that really matter are the amounts of revenues and expenses. If DA 2 sales and profit margin meet EA/Bioware 's expectation then DA 2 is a success. If the sales barely cover or do not cover the development costs then its a failure. The number of units purchased is nice, but if EA covers its cost and makes a profit the game is a success.
It may not be as successful as other games. The question is did or does EA make a profit.
Also EA can factor in any DLC that can be sold for DA 2.
This is a business. If EA/Bioware can attract a larger audience with DA 2 it will continue in that direction. If it gains more new gamers because of DA 2 and its changes then it has chosen well.

That is the big If.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. They made this game in less than half the time it took to make the first, with a pre-made engine. If the first one was profitable, then if all they do with this one is match the first one's sales, they will be swimming in profit.

[AkiKishi]

Bathead wrote...

Even if they don't hit their target sales numbers, they are still gonna make one hell of a profit.

You can only last so long with mediocrity , just ask Westwood.

At least 400,000. of DA2's sales are down to DA.

[Edli]

djackson75 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only numbers that really matter are the amounts of revenues and expenses. If DA 2 sales and profit margin meet EA/Bioware 's expectation then DA 2 is a success. If the sales barely cover or do not cover the development costs then its a failure. The number of units purchased is nice, but if EA covers its cost and makes a profit the game is a success.
It may not be as successful as other games. The question is did or does EA make a profit.
Also EA can factor in any DLC that can be sold for DA 2.
This is a business. If EA/Bioware can attract a larger audience with DA 2 it will continue in that direction. If it gains more new gamers because of DA 2 and its changes then it has chosen well.

That is the big If.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. They made this game in less than half the time it took to make the first, with a pre-made engine. If the first one was profitable, then if all they do with this one is match the first one's sales, they will be swimming in profit.

Of course they will make a profit with this one but they risk ruining their name. Most of those who preordered DA2 did so because of the dragon age and bioware name, in good faith expecting the same quality they always got. From now on though many players will be more careful preordering a Bioware game.

Modifié par Edli, 23 mars 2011 - 04:44 .

[Clammo]

I'm in two minds about this if sales are poor. Part of me says they've brought this on themselves a little (both EA and Bioware) for rushing the game on EA's part, and for some really poor design choices and simplification on Biowares.

However, I've bought Bioware games since God was a glint in God's dads eye, and i'll be pretty sad if there are long term repercussions for this. Sure I'd be pleased if it was a kick in the pants for Bioware to go back to basics a little and quit trying to be so "awesome" and dumbing down, and for EA to stop bloody meddling and releasing prematurely - so to speak....... But if there's anything along the lines of Westwood in Biowares future I'll be sorry to see it, as for the vast majority of the time they've produced really enjoyable games that've given me weeks and sometimes years of fun.

Modifié par Clammo, 23 mars 2011 - 04:54 .

[TheMadCat]

Turnip Root wrote...

I'm not sure how much retailers make off of new games but I think it's only like 5 dollars. That is why retailers like Gamestop heavily promote used game trading since they make much more money off of those.

Also, I stand corrected about Mass Effect 2's sales.  I heard it sold worse than Mass Effect 1.

Actually, they do it because they're a corporation and they want to make as much profit as possible. As a generalization publishers typically make $20-$30 per copy, (Unless for example someone purchases it off EA's site, then they make the full price), but it's far more complex and intricate that that number indicates. The exact value varies, determined by a bunch of factors; namely sale expectations, title status, and the publishers clout in the industry, how many copies ordered, on and on. And they may also get some added royalities on sales, bonuses for certain milestones the retailer has reached, again depend on more factors.

djackson75 wrote...

I know you are. I'm just sick of the
people who hate this game and WANT it to fail grabbing on to any piece
of info anywhere they can find to be able to say "C I TOLD U DA GAME
SUXX AND NOW U CAN SEE IT'Z NOT SELLING!! DAMN BIOWARE!!!".... Honestly,
the game is going to be profitable people... give it up.. Baldurs Gate
is done...

Yeah, some people have certainly made the any failing they find with the game personal. People saying they're going to sue, hoping the product fails, hoping developers get canned, and all that other BS. I don't have a problem with people venting, it's good to vent and there's no harm done aside from annoying a select handful of people but no reason to make it personal. Games going to rake in the cash, though I'm intersted in knowing how much the massive amounts of pre-orders influenced the final total compared to post-release purchases.

djackson75 wrote...

And it's used game sales that spawned
mass DLC content. The companies felt like used game sales were cutting
in to new game sales... so to make up for it... $7 for a 40 meg
download!!

No it didn't, it was publishers finding another way to cash in and profit off their product, which is fine. But it had jack to do with rentals and resales.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 23 mars 2011 - 04:52 .

[Legbiter]

Game is selling very well.

[Scorpgul]

HAHA even Dragon Age Legends, a 2d Facebook game is WAY BETTER than the mediocre DA2

[jimmy_smith]

djackson75 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

The only numbers that really matter are the amounts of revenues and expenses. If DA 2 sales and profit margin meet EA/Bioware 's expectation then DA 2 is a success. If the sales barely cover or do not cover the development costs then its a failure. The number of units purchased is nice, but if EA covers its cost and makes a profit the game is a success.
It may not be as successful as other games. The question is did or does EA make a profit.
Also EA can factor in any DLC that can be sold for DA 2.
This is a business. If EA/Bioware can attract a larger audience with DA 2 it will continue in that direction. If it gains more new gamers because of DA 2 and its changes then it has chosen well.

That is the big If.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. They made this game in less than half the time it took to make the first, with a pre-made engine. If the first one was profitable, then if all they do with this one is match the first one's sales, they will be swimming in profit.

And that will bring the worse case scenario.

What is worse than a bad game?
It's a bad game that sell well.

"OMG ever I made a rush half-done game, it's sell like no tomorrow.
then why I have to take so much effort to make a good game?
WOOHOO I will make more of this kind and swim in money!!"

BW will turn to be lame game company that will make a rush half-done game.
trading their many years "respect" and "reputation" for quick profit.
and when BW's reputation drop to the bottom of the sea, EA will shuting it down and looking for new "prey".

I see this scenario many many time(most from Japanese game company). and I only hope this will not happen to BW.

Modifié par jimmy_smith, 23 mars 2011 - 05:19 .

[Cataca]

Sure, the game is selling well, but with the critics they get it will permanently harm the reputation. Its not like i want them to fail but god, just look at metacritics user score.. 4.4 for the xbox version. (the critic reviews for games stopped being accurate a long long time ago)

And imo it IS well deserved, but to think that they didnt see this coming is almost unthinkable for me. The flaws are so blatant and obvious. Its so dumbed down altogether (not that their Orgins was particularly challenging in that department in the first place) that you might think Bioware sees every potential customer as mentally challenged. Yes, i almost feel insulted as a customer, its like they are calling me a dimwit. "Hmm, after reloading i realized that the story plays out the same no matter what i reply, levels are being reused over and over, thats a pretty bad design flaw not to say that...... Oh look, my mage twirls his staff when he shoots FIREBOLTS OF DOOOOM, AWESUM!"

Oh well, i guess bioware just doesn't see me as a potential customer then.

[Legbiter]

Cataca wrote...

Sure, the game is selling well, but with the critics they get it will permanently harm the reputation. Its not like i want them to fail but god, just look at metacritics user score.. 4.4 for the xbox version. (the critic reviews for games stopped being accurate a long long time ago)  

Hey, I haven't heard that exact criticism since ToB was released.

[johook213]

NinjaRogue wrote...

Square Enix survived Final Fantasy XIII, Bioware can survive Dragon Age 2. (which I love)

survived?  FFXIII sold (yes, sold, not shipped) 6.3 million copies.  It didn't do too bad.  They even have a sequel... FFXIII-2 coming out in december. lol

[Cataca]

Legbiter wrote...
Hey, I haven't heard that exact criticism since ToB was released.

Sorry for my ignorance what is ToB? Abbreviations and computer games are getting somewhat confusing. 

[johook213]

Amazon.com lists DA2 as #1 bestseller for PC and Xbox 360 right now, and #2 for PS3. That's way up from what it was last week. hmmmm

http://www.amazon.co...s/ref=zg_bs_nav

[AkiKishi]

johook213 wrote...

Amazon.com lists DA2 as #1 bestseller for PC and Xbox 360 right now, and #2 for PS3. That's way up from what it was last week. hmmmm

http://www.amazon.co...s/ref=zg_bs_nav

Amazon dropped the price by $20

[AkiKishi]

Cataca wrote...

Legbiter wrote...
Hey, I haven't heard that exact criticism since ToB was released.

Sorry for my ignorance what is ToB? Abbreviations and computer games are getting somewhat confusing. 

Throne of Bhaal

Baldurs Gate (3) sort of.

[Legbiter]

Cataca wrote...

Legbiter wrote...
Hey, I haven't heard that exact criticism since ToB was released.

Sorry for my ignorance what is ToB? Abbreviations and computer games are getting somewhat confusing. 

Throne of Bhaal. The Xpack for BG II.

[Lord Gremlin]

Who cares, PC sales are least important in this particular case. Also, they mostly come from Steam.

[YourFunnyUncle]

DA2 does not come close. And probably will not in the future. First week sold about 700,000 across all platforms
www.vgchartz.com/

Interestingly if you look at the charts from this site for the week that Origins Came out, you'll see that it sold fewer copies on both 360 and PS3 in the first week than DA2 did. Sadly the older chart doesn't seem to include PC figures.

http://www.vgchartz....orld&date=40125

Modifié par YourFunnyUncle, 23 mars 2011 - 05:47 .

[Hatchetman77]

Turnip Root wrote...

I don't know if I buy the argument that EA is rushing Bioware. Just look at The Old Republic. EA has given Bioware plenty of time to work on that. It's been in development for 4 years.

Galaxies was released rushed and look what happened to that.  Lucasarts wouldn't let another rushed Star Wars MMO out until it is finished. 

[Shirosaki17]

Cataca wrote...
And imo it IS well deserved, but to think that they didnt see this coming is almost unthinkable for me. The flaws are so blatant and obvious. Its so dumbed down altogether (not that their Orgins was particularly challenging in that department in the first place) that you might think Bioware sees every potential customer as mentally challenged. Yes, i almost feel insulted as a customer, its like they are calling me a dimwit.

This. I'm starting to feel insulted by some of the stuff they do with their games. This "streamlining" for example. The writing. The characters being one dimensional. It just seems like they think people are idiots and have to make everything easy for them, or the crappy writing and characters too. Who writes these women? Either they think women are shallow and 1 dimensional or they think guys will only be attracted to those types. Either way it's insulting. Mike Laidlaw's comments in his interview are pretty telling. He thinks things like enchanting are complicated and would get rid of them to make things simpler. 

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 23 mars 2011 - 05:50 .

[Legbiter]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Who cares, PC sales are least important in this particular case. Also, they mostly come from Steam.

A sale is a sale. And PC gaming's in rude health. EA recently said it might just become their biggest platform.