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[Wissenschaft]

DA 2 is better than Origins to me so..............I guess my opinion is too crazy to count.

[Altima Darkspells]

Aurica wrote...

PoliteAssasin wrote...

While I agree that'd be the natural EA conclusion to something like this, it never would have happened if they hadn't forced them to get the game out so fast. ME2 and DA2's failures are both on EA's account. They think that they can take Bioware's rpg fanbase, and turn out a game every year to get money from us. What they need to understand is that we value quality games over rushed games. I'm sure we all have the patience to wait for Bioware to fully develop their games. DA2 has many bugs that are gamebreaking. Some companion quests can't even be finished, and it's really an annoyance. If they would have waited, their sales would have been so much better. But EA's philosophy is get it out quick, and make a quick buck off of it. They don't understand that if they take their time, and release a highly polished, quality drenched game they will actually make more profits off of it rather than a large amount in the first week, and then very few in the subsequent months. But some things never change. EA's business plan is one of them. I'm glad people are rioting on the forums, because it shows them we won't put up with their junk.

-Polite

I so agree with your statements.  EA's involvement has ruined the game for me.  I still had fun with DA2, but it feels really rushed and alot of the quest were bugged and you can't complete the game.  

It was the same with what they did to Sims 3.
Every expansion feels watered down and weak, introduced more and more game-breaking bugs than ever.  And their technical support is virtually of no help.  Not to mention the EA store for Sims equivalent of DLC does not allow you to download from it unless you have less than 200 ping...  

In conclusion.  Whatever EA touches, it will corrupts and ruins the title. 

And looking at EA's track record, I'd have to believe that BioWare would be blind or mentally deficient to NOT think that this wouldn't happen.

EA typically gets a successful franchise (by buying a company responsible for it), then starts churning out crap until the franchise and studio are dead.  Then studio closes and EA shuffles people around to do it all over again.

And BioWare willingly sold themselves to EA.  So blame the publisher all you want, but it's at least equally BioWare's fault as well.

[avado]

KOP123 wrote...

Not a chance in hell; DA3 is years and plenty of hype away, plus Bioware will listen to the forums for what players are looking for.....

Really?  I thought that bioware would have to run off the hype of DAO and DA2 (pre game release) which means DA3 should be due out next week, no?  I mean, how hard could it be to create 5 areas and make a 100 hour "journey" out of it? 

btw, I AM JOKING!  I am still waiting for DA5 to come out.  That way they will have all the kinks worked out and be a truly great game, like DAO, which should be DA1 after the whole nwn to nwn2 thingy (there was never a nwn1   )

[BlameBot]

Ashr4m wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

DA 2 is better than Origins to me so..............I guess my opinion is too crazy to count.

So what?
You are either:
1) a troll
2) or someone that probably bought the wrong game when buying DAO (which is strange, since if you want a cinematic action-game with RPG elements why would you buy DAO? It would be the same if you went to watch a romantic-movie while actually wanting to watch an action-movie)

There are mor than enough more cinematic-action-RPGs why should every RPG be such a game? If you dont like a certain genre its not a problem just dont buy it, but trying to make every brand in a genre you like is rather annoying for people who actually liked the other genre.

It's funny how you accuse someone of being a troll whilst trolling.

[bill4747bill]

People still can't distinguise opinion from fact. I can only assume most are trolls, as real people simply can't be that stupid.

[Wissenschaft]

Ashr4m wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

DA 2 is better than Origins to me so..............I guess my opinion is too crazy to count.

So what?
You are either:
1) a troll
2) or someone that probably bought the wrong game when buying DAO (which is strange, since if you want a cinematic action-game with RPG elements why would you buy DAO? It would be the same if you went to watch a romantic-movie while actually wanting to watch an action-movie)

There are mor than enough more cinematic-action-RPGs why should every RPG be such a game? If you dont like a certain genre its not a problem just dont buy it, but trying to make every brand in a genre you like is rather annoying for people who actually liked the other genre.

You misunderstand. I LOVE Origins. I just feel that DA2 is even better. It seems to be a minority opinion. I just assume people will think I'm crazy for thinking DA2 was better than Origins even when I loved Origins and have something like 10 completed (awakening included) characters.

DA2 combat feels exactly like Origins, its just sped up. I'm the type of person that Pauses after each kill even in Origins in order to issue new orders to my whole team so I really don't notice much of a difference.

My major reason for likining DA2 combat is that much more of the  Talents are useful leading to multiple builds being viable which gives more reasons to play the game again.

The Story in DA2 felt more personal. I really like the inclusion of family members and the actions of companions suchs as Isabela, Merrill, and Anders really imperess me in the game. My reaction to their actions is often my favorite parts of the game.

I feel I have a closer connection with my Hawke and his companions then I did with my Warden which is shocking even to me since I LOVE origins and didn't think this was even possible. Yet Bioware somehow managed to do so.

The Story also delved deeper into the Qunari and Mage vs Templar Conflicts which is exactly what I hoped for after playing Origins.

So yes, I love DA2 more than Origins because I feel its taken everything I loved in Origins and made it better.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 23 mars 2011 - 08:06 .

[Parrk]

Bioware will listen to the sales and to focus groups. These boards are as much a containment cell for malcontents than anything else. If they did not exist then you may well be spraying you venomous contempt all over any number of sites that likely customers might actually read.

See how that works?

[Ryzaki]

GreyWarden777 wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I know it was well received critically, but I heard it sold under 2 million copies which is less than what Dragon Age:Origins and the original Mass Effect sold. Usually when a sequel fails to outsell it's predecessor that is considered a bad sign since sequels are supposed to sell better.

Lolfail sorry but mass effect 2 sold over 2 million copies on week 1 according to 1up. 

I wish people would learn the difference between shipped and sold. 

That said ME2 did sell pretty well. 

[ms_sunlight]

I find it most disappointing that people feel the need to insult people who prefer DA2 to DA:O.

I preferred DA2, and I am a long-term fan of "proper" crpgs. I've played those classic Infinity Engine games. I've played roguelikes - I've beaten Angband (as a gnome mage). Some of my favourite RPGs like Morrowind or V:TMB or NWN:HoTU I've played multiple times.

There is nothing wrong with having a personal preference.

[djackson75]

BobSmith101 wrote...

johook213 wrote...

Amazon.com lists DA2 as #1 bestseller for PC and Xbox 360 right now, and #2 for PS3. That's way up from what it was last week. hmmmm

http://www.amazon.co...s/ref=zg_bs_nav

Amazon dropped the price by $20

It's selling for $49.99 right now, which really when you look at it, is pretty normal for them. Hell Crysis 2 came out Tuesday and they're selling it for $53.99. Black Ops is selling for $49.99 as well, don't tell me they can't sell it for $59.99 either.. The #1 game on the list, Portal 2, is selling at a $5 discount and it isn't even out yet.

Seriously, stop trying to make something out of nothing.

[bill4747bill]

ms_sunlight wrote...

I find it most disappointing that people feel the need to insult people who prefer DA2 to DA:O.

I preferred DA2, and I am a long-term fan of "proper" crpgs. I've played those classic Infinity Engine games. I've played roguelikes - I've beaten Angband (as a gnome mage). Some of my favourite RPGs like Morrowind or V:TMB or NWN:HoTU I've played multiple times.

There is nothing wrong with having a personal preference.

 I guess insults are the weapon of choice if you have a weak argument.

[djackson75]

Troll troll trolly troll troll trolling troll.

That word gets thrown around on this message board like candy, and is almost always used improperly. To the people on this board, it boils down to this:

If you don't agree with my opinion, you are a troll.

Someone clean up this message board, for the love of god.

[Ploppy]

I'd be very surprised if DA3 wasn't out by Q4 2012 at the latest. Origins took them 5-6 years, DA2 less then 2. Even if DA2 sells fewer copies, they're virtually certain to sell at least half as many as Origins did based on the good pre-release reviews alone.

Shorter dev cycles are the logical strategy in this market. The added expenses of doubling or tripling the development time simply will not get a pay-off in doubled or tripled sales.

[Wissenschaft]

Ashr4m wrote...

Wissenschaft wrote...

You misunderstand. I LOVE Origins. I just feel that DA2 is even better. It seems to be a minority opinion. I just assume people will think I'm crazy for thinking DA2 was better than Origins even when I loved Origins and have something like 10 completed (awakening included) characters.

Then may i ask like this:

Do you:
1) Like DA2 more than DAO when thinking about them beeing in the exact same sub-genre?
2) Like DA2 more than DAO as an individual game?

1 would be rather strange, 2 would mean that you may actually like a different sub-genre of RPG more than the other which would be perfectly fine it would just mean you have a differnt taste in gaming. (wrong genre as i said before may was a bit to extreme since even if i like FPS more than RTS doesnt mean i cant like RTS ^^)

I added more to my post above to explain myself better.

To sum up and answer your question. I feel DA2 and DA:O are the exact same style/ Genre of Game. That genre being a "Bioware" Game. Really DA2 and DA:O seem very similar to Kotor (which still is a favortie of mine). I view all bioware games to be of a very similar style except for mass effect.

Its not that I hate mass effect, its more that after playing Deus Ex, thats the standard I want in any Shooter RPG. Obviously, Mass Effect is not like Deus Ex so................

At least Deus Ex 3 looks to be living up to my dreams.

As a side note, I also love the witcher. 1 problem with the witcher. It doesn't have any replayability for me. I basicly enjoy swordfighting and theres only one real way to make that build. As for the story, its great but I miss the connection I get with my party companions in the Dragon Age games. The witcher also plays a bit slow for me And the sinificance of the choices you make are often over stated by fans.

Basicly I enjoy how enemies spawn in battle in DA2, keeps me on my toes. I also love party companions which I dearly miss every time I decided to replay the witcher.

Mostly, its the lack of sense of replayablity with the witcher that makes the Dragon Age games superior in my mind and the truth is there is no real reason for it besides the fact that I just enjoy the Dragon Age setting more.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 23 mars 2011 - 08:18 .

[BlameBot]

Ashr4m wrote...

BlameBot wrote...

It's funny how you accuse someone of being a troll whilst trolling.

Its funy how you fail at pointing out what trolling actually is.
But tell me, what is the point of posting one sentence telling people you like something they dont like more than something they like in a thread that is actually about game-sales?

Oh, that's what this threads about. Not about posting about how anyone who liked the second game better must be a troll or someone who got the wrong game by accident when buying the first game.

[bill4747bill]

Ashr4m wrote...

Interresting normal posts take longer to appear than quick-reply ...

 I think I can only post pictures in a 'normal' post as well.

[Temaperacl]

djackson75 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

johook213 wrote...

Amazon.com lists DA2 as #1 bestseller for PC and Xbox 360 right now, and #2 for PS3. That's way up from what it was last week. hmmmm

http://www.amazon.co...s/ref=zg_bs_nav

Amazon dropped the price by $20

It's selling for $49.99 right now, which really when you look at it, is pretty normal for them. Hell Crysis 2 came out Tuesday and they're selling it for $53.99. Black Ops is selling for $49.99 as well, don't tell me they can't sell it for $59.99 either.. The #1 game on the list, Portal 2, is selling at a $5 discount and it isn't even out yet.

Seriously, stop trying to make something out of nothing.

I think BobSmith101's reference was to the $39.99 sale yesterday. I don't know how long their window for "Best Seller" is, but I think it is perfectly fine to point out that it is or just was on sale in response to a statement that it is #1 on the bestseller list since that could be an influencing factor.

[AkiKishi]

Temaperacl wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

johook213 wrote...

Amazon.com lists DA2 as #1 bestseller for PC and Xbox 360 right now, and #2 for PS3. That's way up from what it was last week. hmmmm

http://www.amazon.co...s/ref=zg_bs_nav

Amazon dropped the price by $20

It's selling for $49.99 right now, which really when you look at it, is pretty normal for them. Hell Crysis 2 came out Tuesday and they're selling it for $53.99. Black Ops is selling for $49.99 as well, don't tell me they can't sell it for $59.99 either.. The #1 game on the list, Portal 2, is selling at a $5 discount and it isn't even out yet.

Seriously, stop trying to make something out of nothing.

I think BobSmith101's reference was to the $39.99 sale yesterday. I don't know how long their window for "Best Seller" is, but I think it is perfectly fine to point out that it is or just was on sale in response to a statement that it is #1 on the bestseller list since that could be an influencing factor.

Yes that's what I was refering too.

[moilami]

ms_sunlight wrote...

I find it most disappointing that people feel the need to insult people who prefer DA2 to DA:O.

I preferred DA2, and I am a long-term fan of "proper" crpgs. I've played those classic Infinity Engine games. I've played roguelikes - I've beaten Angband (as a gnome mage). Some of my favourite RPGs like Morrowind or V:TMB or NWN:HoTU I've played multiple times.

There is nothing wrong with having a personal preference.

Character dump or it didn't happen.

Modifié par moilami, 23 mars 2011 - 08:52 .

[Cataca]

ms_sunlight wrote...

I find it most disappointing that people feel the need to insult people who prefer DA2 to DA:O.

I preferred DA2, and I am a long-term fan of "proper" crpgs. I've played those classic Infinity Engine games. I've played roguelikes - I've beaten Angband (as a gnome mage). Some of my favourite RPGs like Morrowind or V:TMB or NWN:HoTU I've played multiple times.

There is nothing wrong with having a personal preference.

I was also particulary suprised that these boards are among some of the most unfriendly ones i have seen, and i was somewhat active in Eve online, which is basically a game based around griefing and thus has the people in you'd expect, unfriendly ones. Being abusive towards other people because of differences in taste is something utterly stupid.

At any rate, im rather interested in what makes the game good for you. Personally not beeing able to find anything about this game that is not utter garbage. Or rather, finding the game behind the combat system. I couldnt tell you the story of DA2 even if my life depended on it, but i can easily tell you what happened in NWN1-2 and pretty much any other RPG i have ever played (at least some general storyline sketch). 

As said, this isnt meant as flaming, im simply interested in hearing other peoples opinion.