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[Soilborn88]

http://gamerant.com/...ing-dyce-68478/

This is probably the best article I've read about the trends of modern RPGs..

[Soilborn88]

Vote in the end, and see what the results were.

[Rawgrim]

rpgs are devolving, thats for sure.

[AlastairsQuEeN]

Bioware's RPGs are FOR SURE devolving and DYING a miserable death. Thanks guys, for not doing DA:O ANY justice. Jeez!

[Rawgrim]

it has happened to the pen and paper version of Dungeons and Drangons, as well. Removing skillpoints, and turning the game into a mix between pokemon cards and WoW.

[Galad22]

Rawgrim wrote...

rpgs are devolving, thats for sure.

I agree with this certainly true for bioware games. At least.

[Merced652]

So long as skyrim retains a truly open world at least the equal of oblivion's, and the combat is improved then rpgs are not dying. But i agree with a previous poster in saying that some company's ones certainly seem to trend that way.

[Crash_7]

I think they are having an identity crisis. Developers are trying to get more players into what was once niche market (maybe it still is niche) and in doing so are causing significant damage to the genre.

[Romantiq]

Bioware's "rpgs" are definitely becoming dumbed down. Starting from Mass Effect 2. Love the game with all my heart but I don't consider it a good an rpg. More a duck n cover shooter.

[MKDAWUSS]

Crash_7 wrote...

I think they are having an identity crisis. Developers are trying to get more players into what was once niche market (maybe it still is niche) and in doing so are causing significant damage to the genre.

I think you could say that about gaming in general. Back before the N64/PSX days gaming was essentially a niche market. Nowadays, it's pretty mainstream.

[Korusus]

Everything I've read from BioWare over the last few years...they've all but made it very clear that they're tired of making RPGs and want to transition to cinematic action games. That's it.

And every few years we get articles like this claiming RPGs are dead, and along comes a Witcher, or a NWN2, or a Dragon Age: Origins to prove it wrong.

[Icinix]

I just don't know what to believe anymore...

[Cobrawar]

The thing is I don't understand what makes them "streamline " ( Hate that word, its just a bs marketing term ) DAO. It was a pretty successful game with a great following. I dont think they had to make the drastic changes they did. The changes should of been more subtle and they should of built upon the system that already existed and to make it better , rather then redo everything in the game.

[Crash_7]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...

I think they are having an identity crisis. Developers are trying to get more players into what was once niche market (maybe it still is niche) and in doing so are causing significant damage to the genre.

I think you could say that about gaming in general. Back before the N64/PSX days gaming was essentially a niche market. Nowadays, it's pretty mainstream.

Sure.  And business is business.  But I think that there should be clear divisions between genres.  All of this homogenising going on, under the guise of cross-platform design, seems to be taking the spice out of games. 

Gaming has certainly come along way since the days of the N64 or the ZX Spectrum, and change is something that any long term gamer is both used to and a proponent of.  But that is change that improves upon the experience within a given genre.  Lately the changes that I have seen have added little to no value and seem to be about increasing the player base alone.

[Il Divo]

I stopped taking him seriously when he referred to Mass Effect's inventory as 'incredibly robust'. Really, guy?

[slimgrin]

They aren't dying. Their influence has spread into other genre's.

I feel that people intrinsically value RPG fundamentals: character choice, character customization, reactivity, player freedom, multi-path solutions, etc. No other genre is as inclusive or ambitious.

Bioware is making an effort to lure in gamers new to the genre. They are indeed going 'mainstream'. I've been on the forums since ME2 came out and I can't tell you how many times I've seen a dev from this company claim they can recruit new casual players while still retaining the core fanbase. It's not working. Appealing to the mainstream sensibility almost always means making concessions. It might be in combat complexity, inventory management, or adult content ( we can kiss the tasteful and mostly nude romance scenes in ME1 goodbye, I think) but core players - people who have been devoted to the genre - will always spot this.

The fact is, other devs are fast picking up the torch Bioware is dropping.

[Ghostano]

Eh I thought RPGs already died. I know I am wrong for me there are just no games I see worth waiting for.

At one time I cared about the Mass Effect game but a trilogy were the second installment does not even focus on the person it is suppose to. I think when someone posted something to the effect " well the second ones all ways suck" just left me with a feeling they no longer cared or even try.

On the bright Side I did get Dragon Age : Orgins to kll time till it was released. Were I had fun with the new look of some of the mage spells it just is not as much fun for me. Then again I am not part of the group bioware and ea want to buy there games now.

The curse of Star Wars games has struck again sucking all the quality from Bioware

oh well just venting no real feeling in the end feel free to ignore my post. not really worth reading.

I support a remake/sequal to Jade Empire

[Deadmac]

Soilborn88 wrote...

http://gamerant.com/...ing-dyce-68478/

This is probably the best article I've read about the trends of modern RPGs..

Nice article.

Skyrim will bring the customization back into rpgs, but the story will not be as engaging as "Dragon Age: Origins".

When it comes to the question your asking, I think its just BioWare moving away from rpgs. Even though they will move into other types of games, the pc-rpg world will remain intact for the long run.

BioWare is just not interested in making fully customizable rpgs.

Modifié par Deadmac, 23 mars 2011 - 01:58 .

[Ghostano]

slimgrin wrote...

They aren't dying. Their influence has spread into other genre's.

I feel that people intrinsically value RPG fundamentals: character choice, character customization, reactivity, player freedom, multi-path solutions, etc. No other genre is as inclusive or ambitious.

Bioware is making an effort to lure in gamers new to the genre. They are indeed going 'mainstream'. I've been on the forums since ME2 came out and I can't tell you how many times I've seen a dev from this company claim they can recruit new casual players while still retaining the core fanbase. It's not working. Appealing to the mainstream sensibility almost always means making concessions. It might be in combat complexity, inventory management, or adult content ( we can kiss the tasteful and mostly nude romance scenes in ME1 goodbye, I think) but core players - people who have been devoted to the genre - will always spot this.

The fact is, other devs are fast picking up the torch Bioware is dropping.

 I know it was a MMO and had its own problems but I feel the best example of trying to get more casul players that back fired was the SOE SWG CU/NGE changes. They got a few new players but lost more then they got. Which is kindy funny since Bioware kindy is working on there MMO because of that. That Star Wars game curse is alive


 Ok not sure that made sense and hope I did not go off topic or to far off.  

 

[cachx]

I enjoyed both DA2 and ME2 greatly, so I'll go for evolved (though maybe that is a very basic way to put it).

For a couple of years now, I was convinced that RPGs were going the way of the point & click .

[Sandmanifest]

Excellent article. Not too worried about Skyrim though. But we'll see. Any new Bioware games I'm a bit worried about. Again, we'll see. Being hit with criticism this heavily and of this sort is more or less new for them. (ME2, DA2) What is important for me is to see how they react to it. It will make or break my relationship with Bioware. Hopes are high though.

[Meltemph]

Slow paced, old school like, SRPG's and Hex Grid like RPG's are dying for sure, if not already dead at least on the big systems. You can probably find some through indie games or the handhelds, but ya. You probably won't see a big title game, that has Arcanum like gameplay for at least another half decade, I would bet.

People nowadays, at best, for RPG's want's everything real-time like Witcher/ES games/Fallout 3+. Even DAO/DA2's combat no matter which one you hate/like is in realtime and quite action packed, in terms of combat.

[Cobrawar]

I dont think its dying but I do think companies are making bad choices.

[DungeonLord]

RPGs are not dying. Bioware has just dropped the ball lately.

Check out Avernum and Geneforge for some great old school RPG titles with great stories and fleshed out characters.
http://www.spiderweb...rge5/index.html

The Witcher 2 is very promising as well. Gotta love it for not having ridiculous level scaling!