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[AcidRelic]

OK, 2nd playthrough and took Fenris with me. When Flemeth come out of the amulet you can ask Fenris his opinion. He says, as close as I can remember, "What are you, I've seen Mages, Witches, Demons, and Abomantions and you are none of these" She says something along the lines of "blah blah I'm a really, really old woman ect.."

Any idea what she really is? I was always of the though a witch with a powerfull demon in her, or just REALLY powerfull herself as a witch/mage.


A very WAY outside the box opinion, that is probably wrong,
is there and opposite of the Maker? Like Christian God and Devil?

Modifié par AcidRelic, 23 mars 2011 - 03:29 .

[DarkSoldier84]

What do we know for sure about Flemeth?

• She appears to be an old apostate who can change into a high dragon.
• She is interested in power.
• Until the Ferelden Circle of Mages acquired it, Flemeth possessed the Black Grimoire. When Morrigan reads it, she discovers that the bodyjacking stories are true and she's the next target.
  [**]She's been doing this long enough that the natives of the Korcari Wilds have been telling stories about her for centuries and the Dalish know her as the "Woman of Many Years" (asha'bellanar).
• She either devised or found the Dark Ritual that Morrigan can use to capture Urthemiel's soul before it mutually annihilates the Grey Warden who kills his body and put it into a fetus.
• During the events of Witch Hunt, Morrigan concludes that Flemeth is neither blood mage nor abomination, but is something no longer human.
• She knows how to get around magic's inability to raise the dead.
  [**]She's very vague about the purpose of the amulet she gives to Hawke, but gives explicit instructions on what to do with it.
  [**]When those instructions are followed at least one year later (during which time the Warden possibly kills her at Morrigan's behest; remember the bodyjacking myth?), Flemeth appears and promptly flies out of the story.

I think Morrigan is half right: Flemeth isn't a blood mage or an abomination, but she was never human to begin with.

Flemeth is Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery, one of the Old Gods of Tevinter.

She is terribly cryptic and never forthcoming with information. She deflects questions with sarcasm and dry wit. She knows magic that is beyond mortal mages. She doesn't turn into a high dragon; she turns into a human woman when she wants to interact with mortals. She keeps a low profile not because of templars, but because the Maker cast her down with her peers and might do it again if he finds out that she escaped her prison.

[Pileyourbodies]

An old hag who talks to much.

[Werrf]

She's the Maker, the Dread Wolf and an Old God of Tevinter. All the mythologies are distortions of her story, all with their element of truth, but all wide of the mark.

Oh, and she's a shapeshifting dragon-witch, too.

[AcidRelic]

@ DarkSoldier84
I was thinking Old God too but for some reason I keep thinking God and Devil -- Maker and Flemeth. Maybe its both, the one Old God the Maker couldn't cast down??

[Fast Jimmy]

I apologize for zombifying this conversation, but wanted to avoid starting a new post.

Has anyone suggested/considered the possibility that Flemeth is Andraste?

We know the Andraste wasn't all rainbows and sunshines, as the Chantry would have many believe. She was an extremely powerful mage, she lead a war that brutally slaughtered many people in the Tevinter Imperium and she had people from all over the world worship her. While Andraste was clearly killed, and was either holy or incredibly powerful (given the fact that her ashes cured Eamon) it does not prevent her from possibly seeking out a new body, and beginning the cycle of Flemeth...?

Shot in the dark, I know. But I always had a sinking feeling Bioware would down the road either take us to the Black City or introduce us to Andraste. It would be funny if one of the first conversations in the Dragon Age universe was with Andraste the whole time.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 17 avril 2011 - 05:34 .

[Fast Jimmy]

DarkSoldier84 wrote...
[*]
Flemeth is Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery, one of the Old Gods of Tevinter.

She is terribly cryptic and never forthcoming with information. She deflects questions with sarcasm and dry wit. She knows magic that is beyond mortal mages. She doesn't turn into a high dragon; she turns into a human woman when she wants to interact with mortals. She keeps a low profile not because of templars, but because the Maker cast her down with her peers and might do it again if he finds out that she escaped her prison.

  

Very interesting theory. I guess the real question if this were true is why was she not entombed in the Deep Roads by the Maker, like all the rest, and why was she not corrupted to become an Archdemon?

[Dante Angelo]

She is the Harbinger

[jmadsen]

duh it's obvious, she's a romance in Dragon age 3.

[AlexXIV]

Dragon. Big Dragon.

[AlexXIV]

jmadsen wrote...

duh it's obvious, she's a romance in Dragon age 3.

If you find it romantic to be eaten alive maybe.

[doloreg]

She's a female qunari.
No, seriously, if we could even guess what she was, you wouldn't have to ask, because the forums would be full of complaints about it.
She could be just about anything, what makes you think that we evn know her race?

[Blacklash93]

AlexXIV wrote...

Dragon. Big Dragon.

Not a blood mage. Not an abomination. Not human.

The only thing she's been bringing to the table is her dragon form, so she's definitely something draconic. Perhaps a being similar to the old gods.

[jmadsen]

AlexXIV wrote...

jmadsen wrote...

duh it's obvious, she's a romance in Dragon age 3.

If you find it romantic to be eaten alive maybe.

HOT

[MorrigansLove]

She's the maker, I'm calling it now!

[jmadsen]

MorrigansLove wrote...

She's the maker, I'm calling it now!

fool, sandal is the maker.

[Lord Gremlin]

jmadsen wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

She's the maker, I'm calling it now!

fool, sandal is the maker.

She is Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, and Sandal is the Maker. In the next game they will fight to the death for world dominance.

[jmadsen]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

jmadsen wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

She's the maker, I'm calling it now!

fool, sandal is the maker.

She is Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, and Sandal is the Maker. In the next game they will fight to the death for world dominance.

i can see it now, sandal riding in on Dog with vigilance in his right hand and starfang in his left hand, its beautiful.

[Paeyne]

I lean towards Dread Wolf myself, but Dragon of Mystery is certainly a viable option.

[Paraxial]

Thug nasty.

[DJRankine]

According to the DA2 codex, she's an abomination. Which is also what Morrigan tells us in the story of Flemeth's lovers.

Whether we're meant to take these at face value or not I don't know, clearly she's not *just* an abomination, but I think she was definitely a woman at one point, who has become possessed by something...

[JabbaDaHutt30]

DarkSoldier84 wrote...

What do we know for sure about Flemeth?

• She appears to be an old apostate who can change into a high dragon.
• She is interested in power.
• Until the Ferelden Circle of Mages acquired it, Flemeth possessed the Black Grimoire. When Morrigan reads it, she discovers that the bodyjacking stories are true and she's the next target.
  [**]She's been doing this long enough that the natives of the Korcari Wilds have been telling stories about her for centuries and the Dalish know her as the "Woman of Many Years" (asha'bellanar).
• She either devised or found the Dark Ritual that Morrigan can use to capture Urthemiel's soul before it mutually annihilates the Grey Warden who kills his body and put it into a fetus.
• During the events of Witch Hunt, Morrigan concludes that Flemeth is neither blood mage nor abomination, but is something no longer human.
• She knows how to get around magic's inability to raise the dead.
  [**]She's very vague about the purpose of the amulet she gives to Hawke, but gives explicit instructions on what to do with it.
  [**]When those instructions are followed at least one year later (during which time the Warden possibly kills her at Morrigan's behest; remember the bodyjacking myth?), Flemeth appears and promptly flies out of the story.

I think Morrigan is half right: Flemeth isn't a blood mage or an abomination, but she was never human to begin with.

Flemeth is Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery, one of the Old Gods of Tevinter.

She is terribly cryptic and never forthcoming with information. She deflects questions with sarcasm and dry wit. She knows magic that is beyond mortal mages. She doesn't turn into a high dragon; she turns into a human woman when she wants to interact with mortals. She keeps a low profile not because of templars, but because the Maker cast her down with her peers and might do it again if he finds out that she escaped her prison.

[*]Other than that, she can get owned by my warden, my dog, alistair and any other one party member.

[Blacklash93]

DJRankine wrote...

According to the DA2 codex, she's an abomination. Which is also what Morrigan tells us in the story of Flemeth's lovers.

Whether we're meant to take these at face value or not I don't know, clearly she's not *just* an abomination, but I think she was definitely a woman at one point, who has become possessed by something...

She is no sort of abomination. There is nothing posessing or inhabiting her like Anders. Morrigan states clearly so in Witch Hunt. Flemeth even implies so in your second encounter with her in DA2 if you bring Anders or Fenris with.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 17 avril 2011 - 09:05 .

[supakillaii]

She is the Harbinger of our Magical destiny.

[ACdeakial]

Does anybody believe the story we're told about flemeth by morrigan? Is there a date on that story?
Well, I believe it, after hearing Quentin at least anyway, Flemeth's original lover murdered, she turns to the spirits for revenge, or demons, or a god of vengeance, after being possessed for so long, the real flemeth fade's away, and all that is left is whatever possessed her.
I wonder if flemeth was originally an elf. if so maybe it was Mythal who helped her, and then Fen'harel did his thing and she was trapped, after being trapped for so very very long, she's simply become a bitter old hag, trapped in a decaying body, waiting for the opportunity to free herself and take revenge on Fen'Harel for leaving her trapped with a bunch of whiny elves crying out for their lost gods to restore them to their former glory and provide an end to their suffering.