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[TheLittleBird]

Did anyone ever think about her just being a completely different entity from the Old Gods and the Maker and all? I've seen a lot of theories that she is the embodiment of one of these things, but none ever convinced me enough.

To me she just is a different entity altogether: the Witch of the Wilds.
Maybe she's just an old hag who has a great talent for magic. Maybe she is just a shapechanger who has learned some forbidden form of magic, and the secret to living an absurdly long life. Maybe she is just that. Nothing more, nothing less. 

Just the Witch of the Wilds, Asha'bellanar, Flemeth. Mother to many daughters. An old hag who talks too much.

[First Enchanter Orsino]

I don't know, but she turned into a dragon, and that's so much cooler than a meat blob

[Aurelet]

I've off and on thought that she's the First OGB from the last warden that survived a blight (The elven hero I think)

[TheLittleBird]

I've off and on thought that she's the First OGB from the last warden that survived a blight (The elven hero I think)

 

What? I never heard anything about that. Do you have a source for me?

[Halfdan The Menace]

She is the Stallion who will mount the world.

[TheLastArchivist]

I doubt my opinion will contribute to the topic, people have already explored every possible venue of the subject, but anyway, here goes:

 

 

The only way Morrigan learned the Dark Ritual was through Flemmeth. And just how Flemmeth knew that in the first place?

 

According to Leliana (when she tells you the legend), Flemmeth found a spirit and let him possess her. But her daughter says she's not an abomination, so it cannot have been a demon. Also, it was not a mere spirit, because her body would've died when you kill her. However, Morrigan states she can deceive death.

 

She goes as far as to tell you that Flemmeth "is not even human". And this is what bugs me. Was she human to begin with? Was she EVER human? Suppose she was. How could she have become immortal, then?

 

 

 

And then there are some facts presented in The Silent Grove.

 

We know that Maric had some deal with Flemmeth. We know it involved the old blood (I suppose it means Calenhad's bloodline). It also involves dragons (the high dragon belonging to Yavanna doesn't attack Alistair). There's some kind of blood magic going on between the Witches of the Wilds and the king's descendants. As Yavanna says to Alistair:

 

"Your heart beats with the old blood, as well. Where do you think it comes from? It sings of a time when dragons ruled the skies. A time before the Veil, before the mysteries were forgotten."

 

And in Inquisition, the Veil is torn apart. It seems Thedas is reverting to that old age.

We also see a dragon in the trailer From Ashes, which further corroborates this hypothesis.

 

 

 

There's also a fact outside the world of DA that shouldn't be ignored. Many ancient civilisations believed that, if you drank the blood (or ate the organs) of a powerful creature, you absorbed its strengh and intelligence. That's cannibalism, and it was praticed in the past by some. What if you drank the blood of an immortal creature, or at least a creature so powerful it was as though she was immune to death?

 

I believe this connection might be the cause of Flemmeth's immortality. Some blood magic involving cannibalism (or maybe a Dark Ritual that Flemmeth's mother performed, thus giving birth to a child with the soul of a dragon). Either way, it is magic which belongs to another time and involves some dark secret between old magic and the royal bloodline of Ferelden.

 

 

 

Now suppose Flemmeth wasn't human from the start. What then?

 

It was written in her Grimoire that she needs to inhabit different bodies as time passes. So her SOUL must be immortal, but not her body. But what kind of soul would be immortal in the world of DA?

 

Well, she can be a demon, a spirit or...the soul of an Old God (dragon).

There are only five kinds of demons in the world and Flemmeth doesn't behave like any of them. She cannot be a spirit, either, since spirits are not interested in the affairs of humans.

And anyway, demons and spirits seem far too limited when compared to her.

 

The only option we have left is that Flemmeth is indeed a soul. A soul that is immortal, that may or may not have come from the Fade when there was no Veil and which, for some reason, was able to take on physical form. Or, which found a way to possess bodies. And the second option is that she's the soul of an old god, which is why she can transform into a dragon.

 

So, in the end, the Witches of the Wilds are fulfilling their intent: to preserve things that they consider worth preserving. Namely, the souls of the Old Gods.

[Aurelet]

What? I never heard anything about that. Do you have a source for me?

I think someone mentioned him in a dialogue if you are an elf.  Or maybe it was in a Codex entry?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No, Garahel perished slaying Andoral. And also she's older than him.

[Schanez]

Talk what you want, but I think she is one of the Old-Gods. Born to this world in the same way that Morrigan provides at the end of Origins. And to be honest, if we take Flemeth as the main character of the series, which she is I think, the title Origins takes new meaning. Maybe Flemeth tries to brong a new Old God into this dimension/plane/world/whatever else you call it. To be honest, I am quite eagerly awaiting how the story will continue.

 

1. She sends Morrigan to help the Warden. She knows or suspects that Morrigan will do the ritual.

2. The only other immortal soul we know of is the Archdemon, which when slain will transfer to a new host, which we know to be a corrupted Old God.

3. Flemeth is belived to do likewise, but we discover in DA2, she has other ways of preserving herself as well.

4. She can take the form of a dragon, which just might be the Old Gods form. We can't be sure as the previous Archdemons were never described.

[TheLittleBird]

Talk what you want, but I think she is one of the Old-Gods. Born to this world in the same way that Morrigan provides at the end of Origins. And to be honest, if we take Flemeth as the main character of the series, which she is I think, the title Origins takes new meaning. Maybe Flemeth tries to brong a new Old God into this dimension/plane/world/whatever else you call it. To be honest, I am quite eagerly awaiting how the story will continue.

 

But that would suggest the OGB plays a very big role in future games, and since there was an option to NOT let the Dark Ritual happen, which quite a lot of players took, that would create quite some complications, as you might imagine.

 

I like your theory though. If this were to happen, I'd imagine Bioware would have the OGB be conceived in some other way.

[Cobra's_back]

What do we know for sure about Flemeth?
 

• She appears to be an old apostate who can change into a high dragon.
• She is interested in power.
• Until the Ferelden Circle of Mages acquired it, Flemeth possessed the Black Grimoire. When Morrigan reads it, she discovers that the bodyjacking stories are true and she's the next target.
  [**]She's been doing this long enough that the natives of the Korcari Wilds have been telling stories about her for centuries and the Dalish know her as the "Woman of Many Years" (asha'bellanar).
• She either devised or found the Dark Ritual that Morrigan can use to capture Urthemiel's soul before it mutually annihilates the Grey Warden who kills his body and put it into a fetus.
• During the events of Witch Hunt, Morrigan concludes that Flemeth is neither blood mage nor abomination, but is something no longer human.
• She knows how to get around magic's inability to raise the dead.
  [**]She's very vague about the purpose of the amulet she gives to Hawke, but gives explicit instructions on what to do with it.
  [**]When those instructions are followed at least one year later (during which time the Warden possibly kills her at Morrigan's behest; remember the bodyjacking myth?), Flemeth appears and promptly flies out of the story.

I think Morrigan is half right: Flemeth isn't a blood mage or an abomination, but she was never human to begin with.

Flemeth is Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery, one of the Old Gods of Tevinter.

She is terribly cryptic and never forthcoming with information. She deflects questions with sarcasm and dry wit. She knows magic that is beyond mortal mages. She doesn't turn into a high dragon; she turns into a human woman when she wants to interact with mortals. She keeps a low profile not because of templars, but because the Maker cast her down with her peers and might do it again if he finds out that she escaped her prison.

 

 

To add per David Gaider "The Silent Grove" she wanted King Marc to wake up the Great Ones dragons. Her daughter Morrigan's sister could not wake them. Marc had the blood of an ancient dragon in him. She is very much a part of the "Dragon Age". 

[Sifr]

I've always suspected that she's the Lady of the Skies worshipped by the Avvars.

 

But as for what she is... I have no idea.

 

If she was really an Old God, would she really be so cavalier in DA2 about picking up Darkspawn that could possibly have turned her into an Archdemon?

[Cobra's_back]

I've always suspected that she's the Lady of the Skies worshipped by the Avvars.

 

But as for what she is... I have no idea.

 

If she was really an Old God, would she really be so cavalier in DA2 about picking up Darkspawn that could possibly have turned her into an Archdemon?

 

Good point. All I know is that she is not human or an abomination. She is very interested in waking up what David Gaider calls the "Great Ones" dragons that her other daughter could not wake up.

[Beerfish]

"The old lady is scary. She has a scary laugh."