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[Auroras]

Dante Angelo wrote...

She is the Harbinger

The harbinger... of death?

(BSG reference)

[Lewie]

It seems like Flemeth has been around since the dawn. She has been through every blight and being a dragon herself, became stronger? I think the ultimate progression a blood mage has is becoming a dragon. They would encompass every notion, whim, desire like it was nothing, the highest of them all. Morrigan was a very eager shapechanger.

Grey Warden blood would make them stronger still.

Tis a ponder.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The earliest records of Flemeth in history go back to the Towers Age I think.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 20 avril 2011 - 12:58 .

[TEWR]

ACdeadpool731 wrote...

I wonder if the archdemons imprisonment could be linked to Elgar'nan taking down the sun for 'Scorching the Earth'
Flemeth = A nutty, but very very very old, bat.
Here's a question, if you didn't kill flemeth in Origins, does that mean there are two flemeths about?

imagine them kissing each other.

[PantheraOnca]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

imagine them kissing each other.

hawt.


I'm pretty sure she's everything and none of what's been theorized. I wouldn't be surprised if Gaider wasn't entirely sure what she was just yet.

[HighMoon]

Who was responsible for writing Flemeth?

The answers must lie in their head(s).

[Lewie]

Killing Flemeth in origins didn't matter, Morrigan said she wouldn't 'really' be dead. 

[Smooth Criminal]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The earliest records of Flemeth in history go back to the Towers Age I think.

Hmm, the third blight also happened in that Age... Maybe she's the OGB from Toth, the dragon of fire?

[The Serge777]

DarkSoldier84 wrote...

[*]I think Morrigan is half right: Flemeth isn't a blood mage or an abomination, but she was never human to begin with.

Flemeth is Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery, one of the Old Gods of Tevinter.

She is terribly cryptic and never forthcoming with information. She deflects questions with sarcasm and dry wit. She knows magic that is beyond mortal mages. She doesn't turn into a high dragon; she turns into a human woman when she wants to interact with mortals. She keeps a low profile not because of templars, but because the Maker cast her down with her peers and might do it again if he finds out that she escaped her prison.

This.

[xedgorex]

I'd like to believe that Flemeth isn't anything more than a powerful witch who has a good trick for staying alive and has had her mind warped by the ages.

Its more interesting to me if she is more human than not.

[DemonLord4lf]

Flemeth herself says, perhaps i'm really a dragon. If so, be glad the smell of burning darkspawn does nothing for the appetite(sp?).

At first i thought it was just a joke, but looking over some of the ideas, i think she was telling the truth in a joking way.

[Dio Demon]

[Edit] A new idea just occurred to me - as Morrigan's ritual has the power to create an old god from a slain archdemon, maybe Flemeth was created in the same way? She could be ANY old god.

That can only be possible if any Warden that slayed the archdemon survived but since all of them died it's impossible that Flemeth is a reborn old god. But that is my two cents.

[those draculas]

I think what ever she is she def. is connected to sandal somehow
How sandal mentions the old lady with an evil laugh that appears by his bed in that one dialouge
Also sandal's prophecy reminds me a-lot of what flemeth said when she leaves sundermount

[sansaserif]

DarkSoldier84 wrote...

What do we know for sure about Flemeth?

• She appears to be an old apostate who can change into a high dragon.
• She is interested in power.
• Until the Ferelden Circle of Mages acquired it, Flemeth possessed the Black Grimoire. When Morrigan reads it, she discovers that the bodyjacking stories are true and she's the next target.
  [**]She's been doing this long enough that the natives of the Korcari Wilds have been telling stories about her for centuries and the Dalish know her as the "Woman of Many Years" (asha'bellanar).
• She either devised or found the Dark Ritual that Morrigan can use to capture Urthemiel's soul before it mutually annihilates the Grey Warden who kills his body and put it into a fetus.
• During the events of Witch Hunt, Morrigan concludes that Flemeth is neither blood mage nor abomination, but is something no longer human.
• She knows how to get around magic's inability to raise the dead.
  [**]She's very vague about the purpose of the amulet she gives to Hawke, but gives explicit instructions on what to do with it.
  [**]When those instructions are followed at least one year later (during which time the Warden possibly kills her at Morrigan's behest; remember the bodyjacking myth?), Flemeth appears and promptly flies out of the story.

I think Morrigan is half right: Flemeth isn't a blood mage or an abomination, but she was never human to begin with.

Flemeth is Razikale, the Dragon of Mystery, one of the Old Gods of Tevinter.

She is terribly cryptic and never forthcoming with information. She deflects questions with sarcasm and dry wit. She knows magic that is beyond mortal mages. She doesn't turn into a high dragon; she turns into a human woman when she wants to interact with mortals. She keeps a low profile not because of templars, but because the Maker cast her down with her peers and might do it again if he finds out that she escaped her prison.

This. And  congratulations, I think you know your lore better than David Gaider.

[Ulicus]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

[*]Very interesting theory. I guess the real question if this were true is why was she not entombed in the Deep Roads by the Maker, like all the rest, and why was she not corrupted to become an Archdemon?

Must she only be in one place at one time? We've already seen her get around that.

[TEWR]

she's Ser Pounce-A-Lot.

[Rifneno]

xedgorex wrote...

I'd like to believe that Flemeth isn't anything more than a powerful witch who has a good trick for staying alive and has had her mind warped by the ages.

Its more interesting to me if she is more human than not.

I would agree if not for her ability to see the future.  And not just in a "vague psychic friends hotline" kind of way.  Here's what the wiki says about her in The Stolen Throne book:

"While on the run from Orlesian sympathizers, Maric and Loghain are captured by the Dalish, who deliver them to Flemeth. She tells Maric that Loghain will betray him if he keeps him close, "Each time worse than the last." She also tells him that a Blight will come to Ferelden after his death. In exchange for leading them out of the Wilds, she requests that Maric make a promise to her that he may not share that knowledge with anyone."

A lot of the stuff she says to us, as the PC, is very vague and can be taken to misinterpretations that lead to the Nostradamus type stuff.  But it seems she only does that to keep us as players from knowing more of the story than the writers want us to.  She can be pretty specific if she wants to.  And knowing the future seemingly with great clarity is far beyond any known powerful magic.

Crazy Eyed One wrote...

That can only be possible if any Warden that slayed the archdemon survived but since all of them died it's impossible that Flemeth is a reborn old god. But that is my two cents.

None that we know of.  Information can greatly warped over the centuries and even the fourth blight was 400 years ago.  In fact we don't even have the name of the Warden who slew the first archdemon, Dumat.  It's also quite possible after slaying the archdemon one of the heroes who had done a dark ritual just laid low and lived somewhere else under an assumed name.  The fact Morrigan is so sure that the ritual will work indicates to me she's either a fool or she knows it has successfully been done before.  And she's not a fool.  Whether the resulting OGB is Flemeth remains to be seen of course.

[aftohsix]

Somebody here has mentioned the theory that she is Fen'harel.  I find myself really liking that particular idea.

[Blacklash93]

She's something dragon-related.

Has she not shoved it in everyones' face enough?

[spydar]

while I don't have the expanse of knowledge on the theology and history of the DA world (I get caught up in the story and tend to forget a lot of the little tidbits of background), I like the idea that maybe she's an old god of one variety or another.

but I also like the idea that she is just a very old and very powerful mage, who has been body jumping until such a time as everything is set for her to assume an "ultimate" form. Maybe she has set up Morrigan to have this old god baby so she can take not Morrigan's body, but the baby's? then she could theoretically obtain the power of an old god.

as for survivng the maybe-death she could have endured in DA:O, I see it as something akin to (sorry for the reference) Voldemort in Harry Potter: she's hidden a large portion of her essence/soul in something in the case that something were to happen to her. a kind of insurance policy.



and I think Sandal is actually a dwarven mage, and they had him tranquiled (sp?) to hide the fact that dwarves could be mages.

Modifié par spydar, 25 avril 2011 - 02:08 .

[Urazz]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

jmadsen wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

She's the maker, I'm calling it now!

fool, sandal is the maker.

She is Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, and Sandal is the Maker. In the next game they will fight to the death for world dominance.

Nah, they'll be unable to resist each of their sexiness and get it on like rabbits.  Just think of what the children will look like.

[Ashira Shepard]

jmadsen wrote...

duh it's obvious, she's a romance in Dragon age 3.

Grandma What Massive Hotness You Have.