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[Gavinthelocust]

She's a witch! She turned me into a newt!














.......I got better

[Rifneno]

AshiraShepard wrote...

jmadsen wrote...

duh it's obvious, she's a romance in Dragon age 3.

Grandma What Massive Hotness You Have.

But that doesn't apply to ageless or immortal characters it says.  I think Flemeth qualifies as immortal, at least in the "doesn't die of old age" sense.  Though some of the examples they list truly disturb me.

[Ashira Shepard]

Rifneno wrote...

But that doesn't apply to ageless or immortal characters it says.  I think Flemeth qualifies as immortal, at least in the "doesn't die of old age" sense.  Though some of the examples they list truly disturb me.

It only doesn't apply if the person in question looks young. Flemeth in either game looks like an old lady.



Unless you want to tell me that all early twenty-somethings look like that?

[Rifneno]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

But that doesn't apply to ageless or immortal characters it says.  I think Flemeth qualifies as immortal, at least in the "doesn't die of old age" sense.  Though some of the examples they list truly disturb me.

It only doesn't apply if the person in question looks young. Flemeth in either game looks like an old lady.



Unless you want to tell me that all early twenty-somethings look like that?

I don't think anyone looks like that at any age.  

[Ashira Shepard]

Touche.

Otherwise they'd be too awesome.

[tiernanlshaw]

aryon69 wrote...

I believe she is what Morrigan wanted to create, a reborn old god. This is why she played Morrigan like the tool she is and the whole body swapping stuff. Flemeth just wanted another old god to be reborn.

this is where i lean.  she is the result of the dark ritual.  the series will ultiamtely culminate with the wardens son being the main character and she is the final boss.  or is that too predictable?

[tiernanlshaw]

on a side note the thought of sandal saving the day just shoots memories of dreamcatcher into my head.

" I DUD-ITS!!!!! ". lol.

[Crow_22]

Personally... I think Flemeth was at one point, a human mage. Probably an apostate among Chasten or someone who was accepted into the Chasten culture at a young age (7-13).

Flemeth then learned about magic, blood magic especially, and became a powerful Mage. Or apostate, whatever floats your boat. She made pact upon pact with demons, growing more powerful, learning more and more spells. And eventually learned old magics that no one else knew of and became The Witch of the Wilds, since she was a 'Chasten' and lived in the Wilds.

As for what she is. I think Flemeth is a dangerous, but powerful, wise, and smart woman who isn't so much power hungry, but after Eternal Youth, after all.... That's what the Origins game was hinting at, and she furthered proved her desire for immortality in DA2 when she was 'locked' in an amulet, or at least a piece of her.

What is Flemeth? Either a Human who has gained powers beyond any being in existence. Or a mage that has 'merged' with it's abomination form, the mage has entire control and the demon is nothing more than a memory.

[Ulicus]

"1200 TE (-2415 Ancient): The tribes of people known as the “Alamarri” cross the Frostback Mountains  and settle in the lands that would become the country of Ferelden some 3,000 years later. What drives the Alamarri across the mountains is not known, but the oldest tribal legends mention evil forces belonging to the “Shadow Goddess,” a being whose proper name was never invoked by Alamarri scribes lest her gaze fall upon them. Some modern scholars suggest that the Alamarri likely fled a great natural disaster—a flood caused by a large earthquake appears the most likely cause, according to hints in the old tales, though there are several tribes with stories that directly contradict this theory and instead point toward some form of enemy invasion. Regardless, the Alamarri crossed the mountains from the west and spread quickly across the Fereldan valley."

I suspect said "Shadow Goddess" will be related to Flemeth in some way. But maybe not. The "gaze" thing sounds a bit Mythal-like. Funny how Merill prayed to Mythal on the very shame shine that resurrected Flemeth.

Hm.

Modifié par Ulicus, 25 avril 2011 - 10:42 .

[GSSAGE7]

Ulicus wrote...

"1200 TE (-2415 Ancient): The tribes of people known as the “Alamarri” cross the Frostback Mountains  and settle in the lands that would become the country of Ferelden some 3,000 years later. What drives the Alamarri across the mountains is not known, but the oldest tribal legends mention evil forces belonging to the “Shadow Goddess,” a being whose proper name was never invoked by Alamarri scribes lest her gaze fall upon them. Some modern scholars suggest that the Alamarri likely fled a great natural disaster—a flood caused by a large earthquake appears the most likely cause, according to hints in the old tales, though there are several tribes with stories that directly contradict this theory and instead point toward some form of enemy invasion. Regardless, the Alamarri crossed the mountains from the west and spread quickly across the Fereldan valley."

I suspect said "Shadow Goddess" will be related to Flemeth in some way. But maybe not. The "gaze" thing sounds a bit Mythal-like. Funny how Merill prayed to Mythal on the very shame shine that resurrected Flemeth.

Hm.

But wasn't the legend of Flemeth only created during the 2nd Age?

[Blacklash93]

Crow_22 wrote...

Personally... I think Flemeth was at one point, a human mage. Probably an apostate among Chasten or someone who was accepted into the Chasten culture at a young age (7-13).

Flemeth then learned about magic, blood magic especially, and became a powerful Mage. Or apostate, whatever floats your boat. She made pact upon pact with demons, growing more powerful, learning more and more spells. And eventually learned old magics that no one else knew of and became The Witch of the Wilds, since she was a 'Chasten' and lived in the Wilds.

As for what she is. I think Flemeth is a dangerous, but powerful, wise, and smart woman who isn't so much power hungry, but after Eternal Youth, after all.... That's what the Origins game was hinting at, and she furthered proved her desire for immortality in DA2 when she was 'locked' in an amulet, or at least a piece of her.

What is Flemeth? Either a Human who has gained powers beyond any being in existence. Or a mage that has 'merged' with it's abomination form, the mage has entire control and the demon is nothing more than a memory.

Her ultimate goal is not immortality. She is not an abomination, either. She isn't even a blood mage.

Morrigan clearly says so in WH.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 25 avril 2011 - 11:28 .

[mhendon]

I also think Flemeth was probably a human mage at some point, maybe a dreamer? She then got taken over by something nasty. Whatever that thing is, its still a little bit of Flemeth. I say this because she clearly looks on her troubles with Osen and Conobar (sp) with regret in DA:O. She says she is unhappy about it because it dictated everything that followed.

So, it seems to me, whatever she is doing shes not entirely happy about it. What does she want and why does she have to do...er..whatever it is she is doing? The Dark Ritual was clearly a part of it.

Boggles the mind.

[Blacklash93]

mhendon wrote...

I also think Flemeth was probably a human mage at some point, maybe a dreamer? She then got taken over by something nasty. Whatever that thing is, its still a little bit of Flemeth. I say this because she clearly looks on her troubles with Osen and Conobar (sp) with regret in DA:O. She says she is unhappy about it because it dictated everything that followed

Does she ever directly reference Conobar and Osen? She talks about regret and the world being cruel to her, but I can't recall her ever directly talking about any particular events in her legends.

And she is not posessed by anything. That's the definition of an abomination, which Morrigan says she is not.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 25 avril 2011 - 11:51 .

[mhendon]

Blacklash93 wrote...

mhendon wrote...

I also think Flemeth was probably a human mage at some point, maybe a dreamer? She then got taken over by something nasty. Whatever that thing is, its still a little bit of Flemeth. I say this because she clearly looks on her troubles with Osen and Conobar (sp) with regret in DA:O. She says she is unhappy about it because it dictated everything that followed

Does she ever directly reference Conobar and Osen? She talks about regret and the world being cruel to her, but I can't recall her ever directly talking about any particular events in her legends.

And she is not posessed by anything. That's the definition of an abomination, which Morrigan says she is not.

She does not say Conobar and Osen.  She says something like "Flemeth was beautiful once.  Men fought over her, even killed for her."

PC "You don't sound happy about that."

"I am not.  It dictated everything that followed."

I just inferred later that that was what she was talking about, since, as the legend says, during that conflict is when she spoke first to the spirit and then to the demon.

Also, I didn't say she was possessed.  I was said she was taken over by something...By what, how, or even what the nature of thier joining is I havn't the slightest.  That she might also be some sort of Old God seems to make sense.  Maybe, she is also like Anders in that Flemeth and we'll say the Old God truly merged and became one.

I love thinking about this stuff.

[ShahHQ]

I think Flemeth is origin of dragons.

Modifié par ShahHQ, 26 avril 2011 - 11:32 .

[Blacklash93]

mhendon wrote...

She does not say Conobar and Osen.  She says something like "Flemeth was beautiful once.  Men fought over her, even killed for her."

PC "You don't sound happy about that."

"I am not.  It dictated everything that followed."

Seeing as her very nature according to the legends is said to be false by Morrigan, it's hard to know what's true and what isn't. She may have seen men fighting over her many times during her long life. She could also be lying.

Also, I didn't say she was possessed.  I was said she was taken over by something...By what, how, or even what the nature of thier joining is I havn't the slightest. Maybe, she is also like Anders in that Flemeth and we'll say the Old God truly merged and became one.

It would still make her an abomination. Merging with the spirit of another in any way creates an abomination. Anders' case was no different.

I stick to my theory that she's really a dragon, Old God or not.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 12:39 .

[Woodstock-TC]

she is the dread wulf which locked away the other gods & sandal is her long lost son ^^

Modifié par Woodstock-TC, 26 avril 2011 - 12:41 .

[Blacklash93]

She's not even trying to be subtle about it.

The way she strained herself turning into a human in the beginning of DA2 (with the loud roar and mana summoning).
How she effortlessly turns into a dragon. The dragon visage twirling around her when she's summoned from the amulet.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 12:49 .

[MassEffect762]

She's a to be continued.....

I speculate the creators/developers don't know yet either, she's just there to keep things loosely connected.

[Rifneno]

Blacklash93 wrote...

She's not even trying to be subtle about it.

You know she teaches Morrigan how to shapeshift the form of other animals right?  Occam's Razor and all that.  Not saying you're wrong but her dragon antics is more likely to be advanced shapeshifting magic than it being her natural form.

[Blacklash93]

Rifneno wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

She's not even trying to be subtle about it.

You know she teaches Morrigan how to shapeshift the form of other animals right?  Occam's Razor and all that.  Not saying you're wrong but her dragon antics is more likely to be advanced shapeshifting magic than it being her natural form.

It's just a theory and I realize it may not be correct, but I still strongly believe in it. Not being a blood mage, an abomination, or even human... this is pretty much the only thing to go on.

There's just no reason for her to resemble a dragon (hair horns) in human form otherwise. Not one that doesn't border on fetishism, anyway.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 26 avril 2011 - 12:55 .

[WhiteKnyght]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

But that doesn't apply to ageless or immortal characters it says.  I think Flemeth qualifies as immortal, at least in the "doesn't die of old age" sense.  Though some of the examples they list truly disturb me.

It only doesn't apply if the person in question looks young. Flemeth in either game looks like an old lady.



Unless you want to tell me that all early twenty-somethings look like that?

Well that answers the OP's question. Flemeth is a horny old woman. xD

[Woodstock-TC]

looking more closely at the "hair" i think she is an asarii matriarch in disguise.

[Ulicus]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

"1200 TE (-2415 Ancient): The tribes of people known as the “Alamarri” cross the Frostback Mountains  and settle in the lands that would become the country of Ferelden some 3,000 years later. What drives the Alamarri across the mountains is not known, but the oldest tribal legends mention evil forces belonging to the “Shadow Goddess,” a being whose proper name was never invoked by Alamarri scribes lest her gaze fall upon them. Some modern scholars suggest that the Alamarri likely fled a great natural disaster—a flood caused by a large earthquake appears the most likely cause, according to hints in the old tales, though there are several tribes with stories that directly contradict this theory and instead point toward some form of enemy invasion. Regardless, the Alamarri crossed the mountains from the west and spread quickly across the Fereldan valley."

I suspect said "Shadow Goddess" will be related to Flemeth in some way. But maybe not. The "gaze" thing sounds a bit Mythal-like. Funny how Merill prayed to Mythal on the very shame shine that resurrected Flemeth.

Hm.

But wasn't the legend of Flemeth only created during the 2nd Age?

She's had many names.

Flemeth was supposedly born in 3:0 Towers, yes.... but who's to say that's when Flemeth actually got started? Maybe "Flemeth of Highever" was just a young and pretty mage meatpuppet of a more powerful entity, but the name stuck.

All kinds of crazy stuff could be going on here. Hell, now we've seen Flemeth "divide" herself, I wouldn't be surprised to learn if Morrigan was actually an aspect of Flemeth (her youth?) given independence existence.

That kind of thing was pretty commonplace amongst gods in Brythonic and Celtic myth.

Modifié par Ulicus, 26 avril 2011 - 01:09 .