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[Chromie]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

Yes but a person's soul is immortal.

Nihilism ftw

[Blacklash93]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

Yes but a person's soul is immortal.

A soul can fizzle out in some fantasy settings.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 27 avril 2011 - 08:33 .

[LadyRenegade]

Filament wrote...

Flemeth is a powerful mage from the future, possessing a powerful mage from the present and attempting to project herself into the past to compress all time into one and become emperor of all of it at once.

lol final fantasy 8 storyline over here

[giant.sequoia]

Right now it seems most plausible to me that she is an old god or something related. Since Witch Hunt and the oldgodbaby thing and the prevalence of Flemeth in the advertising for DAII, I was hoping its plot would focus more on the eluvians, Flemeth, old gods etc... alas. Incidentally, I was rather disappointed by Merrill's quest line - my first playthrough I encouraged her to fix the mirror because I was so deeply curious about what she might discover. But no dice.

Some other things I have noticed: Someone else already pointed out that at some point, I think Hawke says "You can turn into a dragon?" or something similar, and Flemeth says "Perhaps I am a dragon." Like the previous poster said, she seemed to be joking, but I think it is a clue nonetheless.
Also, when you fight Flemeth in Origins, does anyone remember what her unit is called? "Flemeth the Shapechanger" I think it was?

[Mr.House]

One of the Creators.

[Blacklash93]

Someone pointed out to me a codex entry about "Urzara's Tooth" that tells the tale of a dragon cult in the Free Marches.

The cultists believed that the dragon was the daughter of Urthemiel, the Old God of Beauty and began terrorizing local cities with the dragon as she rampaged. When the dragon was killed, they took the cult leaders sign of power, a talisman carved from the dragon's tooth, and gave it to the one who landed the killing blow on it. The entry then abruptly ends.

It could relate to Flemeth because she was actually trying to save Urthemiel in Origins from the taint, where as we have no knowledge of her doing anything similar in a previous Blight.

Secondly there's the talisman. The item "Urzara's Tooth" itself obviously isn't the real talisman, as it was only crafted from a dragon's fire gland, but it is an amulet. If it was modeled after the original, if the original was an amulet as well, could it be similar to the phylactery Flemeth used to revive herself?

Modifié par Blacklash93, 29 avril 2011 - 12:42 .

[Lewie]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Someone pointed out to me a codex entry about "Urzara's Tooth" that tells the tale of a dragon cult in the Free Marches.

The cultists believed that the dragon was the daughter of Urthemiel, the Old God of Beauty and began terrorizing local cities with the dragon as she rampaged. When the dragon was killed, they took the cult leaders sign of power, a talisman carved from the dragon's tooth, and gave it to the one who landed the killing blow on it. The entry then abruptly ends.

It could relate to Flemeth because she was actually trying to save Urthemiel in Origins from the taint, where as we have no knowledge of her doing anything similar in a previous Blight.

Secondly there's the talisman. The item "Urzara's Tooth" itself obviously isn't the real talisman, as it was only crafted from a dragon's fire gland, but it is an amulet. If it was modeled after the original, if the original was an amulet as well, could it be similar to the phylactery Flemeth used to revive herself?

'It's only when you fall, whether you learn that you can fly'  She is a fly in the ointment. She can't die we know this, which means she may be the high dragon, i thought this ages ago, and the highest form of blood magic progression (its guessing). Iv only been wondering why, she almost dragged hawke to the bone pit, many sacrifices. Orisno is also an elven mage, merril, morrigan, you can tell her what you think of old traditions, kill my mother quick she says. I also thought merril was morrigans daughter, she could be considering morrigans lack of social upbringing.

Many ponders.

[Rifneno]

http://social.biowar...4/index/7242223

A significant development.  The mysterious source is obviously speaking of present-day as he refers to the writer's wife, but he also refers to Fen'Heral "stirring."  Fen'Heral is apparently very real, and still around.

[Blacklash93]

The Fen'Harel thing just doesn't ring for me. She's not shown any signs of being wolf-like nor is she male. Flemeth isn't really even a trickster, either. She's just a cunning opportunist with some degree of foresight.

Seriously, please let her be a dragon, Bioware. The creature of your series' namesake is probably the least represented thing in the story and lore. They should be more than your typical mini-boss fodder if your franchise is called "Dragon Age."

Modifié par Blacklash93, 30 avril 2011 - 12:48 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Bring them on!

Really though... since Merrill confirmed in DA2 that Fen'Harel actually resides in the Fade (a piece of information that was not present in DA:O, as far as I remember), that theory has gotten a lot more hold. Let's wait and see how it plays out!

[Edit]  I'll throw in a piece of lore here that helped nourish my suspicions against Chantry/Maker/Andraste:
What would you imagine an Andrastian undead devotee to look like? A benign spirit, correct? Enter the Ash Wraiths...

[Edit 2]: Flemeth may also be Andraste, who was betrayed by Fen'Harel after she accomplished what he wanted her to achieve, and now plots his downfall. That would explain the potential enmity/wariness between the OGB/Morrigan and Flemeth.

When does Merrill say that Fen'Harel resides in the Fade?

theheadstrong11 wrote...

He gave up on them after what Maferath did to Andraste.

"The
Maker wept for His Beloved, cursed Maferath, cursed mankind for their
betrayal, and turned once again from creation, taking only Andraste with
him."

Not entirely.

"Many are those who wander in sin,

Despairing that they are lost forever,

But the one who repents, who has faith

Unshaken by the darkness of the world,

And boasts not, nor gloats

Over the misfortunes of the weak, but takes delight

In the Maker's law and creations, she shall know

The peace of the Maker's benediction."

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 30 avril 2011 - 01:00 .

[Blacklash93]

The Chant of Light was made after Andraste died and was based on her teachings. Her disciples created it in hope to inspire worship across the world in order to appease the Maker again.

No one knows for sure whether the Maker still cares even if they do believe he exists.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 30 avril 2011 - 01:12 .

[Rifneno]

Blacklash93 wrote...

The Fen'Harel thing just doesn't ring for me. She's not shown any signs of being wolf-like nor is she male. Flemeth isn't really even a trickster, either. She's just a cunning opportunist with some degree of foresight.

Seriously, please let her be a dragon, Bioware. The creature of your series' namesake is probably the least represented thing in the story and lore. They should be more than your typical mini-boss fodder if your franchise is called "Dragon Age."

Wouldn't be a very good trickster god if he ran around looking like what everyone expects a trickster god to look like.  

[Blacklash93]

Rifneno wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

The Fen'Harel thing just doesn't ring for me. She's not shown any signs of being wolf-like nor is she male. Flemeth isn't really even a trickster, either. She's just a cunning opportunist with some degree of foresight.

Seriously, please let her be a dragon, Bioware. The creature of your series' namesake is probably the least represented thing in the story and lore. They should be more than your typical mini-boss fodder if your franchise is called "Dragon Age."

Wouldn't be a very good trickster god if he ran around looking like what everyone expects a trickster god to look like.  

It just doesn't ring in her presentation, which is much more on the draconic side.

[Swiff-Epics]

Flemeth is my wife, I have her doing my dishes right now.

[Abispa]

Sometimes, when you have a really bad cough...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

When does Merrill say that Fen'Harel resides in the Fade?

She comes to Hawke's home in the slums one time and tells him a story about Fen'Harel - here's a LINK to a youtube video. It even tells that Fen'Harel tries to turn the elf against his people in dreams. Fen'Harel is the only remaining deity, and he wants to extend his dominion over all of Thedas.

Did anyone read the war of souls trilogy of Dragonlance? When the One God is revealed to be Takhisis, and all worshippers realize they have been ensnared by a dark god? DA reminds me a lot of that story (if my theory is correct, that is).

Oh right, I remember that story. I'm not sure how literally the old Dalish stories are supposed to be taken. I'm also not sure if the implication is that Fen'Harel only resides in the Fade or that he goes there sometimes if he wants to.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 01 mai 2011 - 09:28 .

[Ulicus]

Of course, even if the Maker = Fen'Harel, there's no reason to assume that the elves got everything, or even most things, right about him. He may have been totally justified in sealing away all other deities. Or maybe he was the creator of all and everything, and Fen'Harel was just a guise he wore amongst the elven gods. Etc. There are so many different ways this could all play out.

Though, Fen'Harel and Flemeth connections all to one side, I'm increasingly of the mind that Andraste was an abomination and the whole "bride" thing is a poetic reference to she and the "Maker" being one. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn she was in the same sort of situation as Anders.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The thing about Fen'Harel is that unlike the Maker or the Creators or the Forgotten Ones, the stories of Fen'Harel say that he is indeed still active in the world. I would imagine that it's a possibility he is the one orchestrating all the chaos that is happening around the world. Since Flemeth seemed to deliberately insert Hawke into the Free Marches with the hope of him affecting things in some way, my guess would be that it's possible Flemeth and Fen'Harel are having some sort of world sized game of chess.

[Sussurus]

Myself I see the posibility of most of these discussed being Flemith.
Given that she mentions she is just a piece of the whole.

My own feeling is that she is the proto myth of most races religeon.
Her tale in DA:O told by Morrigan and Leliana bares striking similarites of the maker - andraste - maferath.
She has the connection to the dalish, whether Fenharal or Mythal.
Both Justice in awakenings and Morrigan on WH tell you there is a place beyond the fade.
The dalish gods exist in such a place, the golden throne is always beyond reach in the fade.

The dwarves had idols at some point... the hunger demon "They have been feasting beyond the memories".. dwarven history I took it to mean.

Flemith sets up the player with loss and sympathy in her dialogue, especially if you take your sibling.

I'd say whatever she is, it's not tied to one race or realm.

However knowing me I've lept the fade, or misread something somewhere.

Modifié par Sussurus, 01 mai 2011 - 09:56 .

[Abispa]

I'm betting that the "forbidden" tome of Andraste's history the Warden found in Orzimar gave it away. The tome theorized that Andraste's miracles were NOT blessings of the Maker, but were the result of her own magical ability. She was a powerful mage.

Now known as "Flemeth."

Of course, I could be wrong.

[spudrow2005]

im not sure what exactly Flemeth is but i do believe  that it is very possible that she is this series prime mover who has been manituplating everyone to bring about the current affairs in the world (ex the mage/templar war, the crumbling of Orlais/Ferelden alliance, the child who has the old gods soul, the champions role in kirkwall, ect).  As for what she is i have a few theories, shes either an awakened old god which would explain her power and dragon form.  A "devil" entity such as the dread wolf. And what seems very likely to me is that she was one of the ancient magisters of the Imperium that became warped when they attempted to usurp heaven.  It is also possible that she is some sort of spirit that has been body hopping and "Flemeth" is the most famous of its vessels