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[Merced652]

baddogkelevra wrote...

I agree that a lot of times this felt like the killing of the Stark family, right up to the mother becoming some sort of undead thing. There's a reason I named my Hawke Jon.

Except you kind of liked the Stark family, here its like oh well that sucks. "Oh wow my mom is a zombie now.. man thats a epic plot twist hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

Modifié par Merced652, 23 mars 2011 - 04:54 .

[Amagoi]

The whole point of having a family seemed kind of lost to me in the end. I don't think it was pulled off as well as it could have been. At first it seemed like family was going to be important. Then Carver/Bethany leaves for the vast majority of the game if they even survive Act 1, doesn't really stay in touch for that time. Leandra is killed pretty gruesomely for no real reason aside from a lesson in "OMG BlOOD MAGES ARE SO MEAN!! D<" class.<_< So it was kind of a hit and miss and some lost opportunity of what could have been done with a family that doesn't get killed at every turn.

[Laurelinde]

I was pretty disappointed with the way the family element played out in DA2. Going in, I thought it would be an interesting change from DA:O (and virtually every other RPG I've played) to have a family dynamic established for the player, to complicate and/or enrich his or her life. As a Grey Warden you were cut off from any family or friends you had before (if they had managed to survive your Origin story...*sniff* Mama Cousland), and most of the companions were alone as well. Alistair had his "family" ties which played into the main storyline, as did Morrigan, but Sten, Leliana and Zevran were all from other countries, Oghren had burned most of his bridges in Orzammar, Wynne was the only Circle mage you got to spend any length of time with outside the tower, and Shale was seemingly one of the last of her kind (and certainly of her clan.)

The Carver/Bethany death at the beginning lacked emotional impact because you never got to know them, but it was fair enough as a scene-setting device to have implications later. Losing the second sibling (either to death, the Wardens or the Circle) was just annoying - particularly as Bethany, who was bland enough to begin with, just seemed to totally lose interest in her family once she joined the Circle. And Leandra's death, while horrifying, was not Bioware's finest ever bit of storytelling - not by a long shot. I was really disappointed that she never got the chance to be a "real person" or a fully developed character; she was just the 'girlfriend in the refrigerator' trope, basically. She was there as a tool or motivation to cause angst and heroism for Hawke, nothing more. Short of the occasional bit of mourning for her lost children and one banal conversation about romance and remarrying, she never really got much of a personality or a fleshed out story.

So yeah, I agree with the person above who said that by the end, my Hawke felt ready to take her dog and her boyfriend and leave the mages and templars to it. There wasn't really anything keeping her in Kirkwall apart from an empty house, a distant, possibly lobotomised sister and perhaps Aveline's friendship. Hawke with the responsibility of a mother settled in town would have made the whole thing more meaningful and worth consideration, I thought, and avoided the whole, "LOL, moms and girlfriends are only in stories to be an Achilles Heel for the big strong hero!" thing.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Tamahome560 wrote...

ZombiePowered wrote...

People keep bringing up the question of why would Hawke stay in Kirkwall, but why on earth would he go back to Ferelden? His family is all dead/out of reach except for Gamlen (who is in Kirkwall), i.e. there isn't any family in Ferelden for him to go back to, plus Lothering is destroyed, so he has no home to go back to. The people who he knew in Lothering are either dead or scattered all over the country in the wake of the blight. He has absolutely no reason to go back to Ferelden. As for staying in Kirkwall, he has ample reason. First, the last of his family still lives there. Second, all of his friends live there (you know, those people you travel with and form emotional connections with?). As Isabela clearly stated, people care about him. People like... Aveline. Third, his family all either died or left him as a result of the struggle to reclaim their lost glory in Kirkwall. There is no way Hawke would spend so many years and expend so much effort to reclaim the family estate and build up a fortune and then just leave, making all the sacrifices he and his family made pointless. Of course he'd stay in Kirkwall. He'd just forged a path to Hightown with blood and sweat and maybe even tears. The idea of leaving after all that is something only the weak of will would have, and Hawke is the Champion. There isn't an ounce of weak will in him.

This. What does Hawke accomplish by going back to Ferelden? He has nothing there. He started building a life in Kirkwall so why abandon it. Only living family is in Kirkwall also friends and possibly a lover, estate, fortune and respect.

About the family: It was well executed. The first sibling death was only there for plot reasons. But it was sad seeing Leandra's reaction. Hawke/Carver relationship was great as well. Leandra's death was heart wrenching.

I respectfully disagree. Kirkwall is such a massively oppressive environment when Leandra dies that I see little reason to stay on. Mages are essentially slaves and are treated as such, the entire city is build to look and feel unfriendly, MyHawke is still a Fereldan, despite his fancy new duds, which means he's still looked on as a second-class citizen. The city is rife with political machinations, renegade mages, evil templars, evil MAGES, RENEGADE templars, Qunari, idiot elves, massive political corruption...

And need I remind you that this city has just finished chewing up and spitting out everyone he ever loved from back home? 

MyHawke would do one of two things upon his Mother's death. 1) He'd pack his sh*t up and go back to Fereldan, because Kirkwall is a massive sh*theap that isn't worth saving, or 2) He'd put on his big-boy pants and do his damndest to rip the entire city apart and rebuild it as a city worth having. 

Of course, he does neither of these things, but just keeps playing Errand Boy for the morons who run this place. 

Do I sound bitter? I think I sound bitter. 

[5ubzer0]

I am not sure what they thought a family would add to the game. The only one I could remotely tolerate was Carver.

The heroine of Kirkwall lives with her mom? Seriously? At least give me an option to abandon them after the deep roads. Why does the game force me to be all nicey nice and share my wealth? Let them live in darktown, while I enjoy the mansion.

I honestly wish I could kill them all off in the prologue. <3

[Zan Mura]

5ubzer0 wrote...

The heroine of Kirkwall lives with her mom? Seriously?

To be fair, the typical western custom of sending children out ASAP is not exactly the way things work worldwide, nor did in our past either. The embarrassment of living with your parents post 18 years of age in our world, is likely considered common practice in Thedas. It's simply practical in a world where family ties are stronger, and a family acts as its own social and economic security.

Not that I think it fitting for an epic hero, but then Hawke is hardly an epic hero.

[Evolution33]

At first I wanted Leandra's death to mean more. I didn't feel any sense of vengance by killing the guy that did it and felt that he should have been a bigger bad guy and had more to do with the overall story. I knind of now like how it worked. How your mother died and then there is no time to think about it because Qunari are rampaging. Then when it all tied back in with Orsino at the end I felt some closure when he died. I kind of felt the overall escape from Lothering could have been better if maybe it played out with Hawke and the sibling that dies fighting to get to the family and then have a little bit of downtime while they ready for their escape.

[apantoliani]

I was actually fairly upset when they killed Momma Hawke. It was so sudden, violent and random. Tied together the missing wimmens thread that I had worked on a bit with side quests with a horrifying clarity.

Finding out Orsino was approving of Quentin's work made it feel like it came together with some of the darker dealings of the mages in Kirkwall. If it hadn't been for the fact that there HAD to have been some normal mages (I imagine Karl was normal before they tranquil-ed him, you don't actually meet normal mages? Oh wait, Ella. ELLA!), I'd have sided with the templars despite being a mage who romanced Anders and burned the circle into the ground.

Had it just been Orsino supporting some random **** blood mage crazy killing random wimmens and not mommy dearest, I wouldn't have cared as much, maybe would have rationalized it somehow (oh, it's just a random crazy mage, Kirkwall is FILLED with them).