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[wildannie]

My first playthrough had Fenris as LI, second was meant to be Anders, but it's not going to happen, he's too far gone.
Fenris, is not beyond redemption... and is much better looking too

[SgtElias]

Anders. I don't think I could have made a character I'd sympathize with and hurt for more if I'd sat down and designed him myself.

I like Fenris too, don't get me wrong.

[elenilote]

1st play Anders, 2nd Fenris I cannot choose between them!

[FlintlockJazz]

wulfsturm wrote...

17thknight wrote...

What...the hell...does that have to do with my post? You are seriously not understanding what you're reading because that makes  no sense in context to what I wrote, and your response to the lady who made this thread is just as weird because it had nothing to do with her post either.

Is this ringing a bell?

Because they live in a medieval world and can get STD's.

I think you are misreading it, she said that they live in a medieval world AND can get STDs, not that they live in a medieval world therefore can get STDs.  She's saying that the two together makes it a serious problem, while primitive condoms made out of other materials existed they were alot more unreliable than today, and were not disposable, you had to wash them out after each use and they didn't have spermicide on it.  Follow that up with a lack of healthcare and ignorance on the part of the two coupling on such basics as how diesases work and you're just asking for trouble.

[TaHol]

Both. I'm a bit greedy.

[Valikdu]

Get rid of both (thankfully the plot lets you) and pick Merrill.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

WoahitsMuna wrote...

 Just curius:P. because i personally felt that Fenris was quite a grudge-holding jerkoff, but I've found that for some reason many people seem to prefer him. why?

Anders, on the other hand, despite losing a lot of the character that he had in Awakening, was still an awesome companion, and by far my favorite follower in DA2.

All the companions are jerks except Varric and Bethany. Anders and Fenris are the worst. Immature characters who lack of self control over themselves. Their backgrounds are not that terrible but they think they are so special they deserve more attention. I say, they are cry babies. Thank god, I don't have to forced myself to hear them cries all the time.  

[Tirigon]

Eval wrote...

Mother: `Morning, sweetie.. Well well well, did I see it right? A man sneaking out from your room in the middle of the night..?
Hawke: Er.. guess so..
Mother: Praise the Maker!!! After so many years of loneliness thought you would never find yourself a worthy man..! A husband!
Hawke: Mother..
Morther: So tell me, tell me child, was it the charming prince we had over for dinner last week?.. Who couldn`t stop complimenting on my cooking all night?
Hawke: Well, not exactly..
Mother: Then the handsome healer who cured my lumbago last year.. I have been feeling like 20 again ever since! And he cures the poor for free in Darktown! What a golden heart that man must have..
Hawke: No, mother, its not him either..but..
Mother: ..ok ok then.. well, the dwarf wouldn`t have been my first guess, but he has good looks to his kind and got me those nice Antivan sheets for a reasonable price..
Hawke: Nope mum. If you really wanna know it was the elven ex-slave from that messy mansion next door, who rushed in drunk last time, threw his half-empty bottle against the wall, yelled my name, then broke the family vase, beat up the dog and spit on the floor swearing all the way when you told him I was gone shopping..
Mother: ……
Mother: oh $#*!

Is this really from the game or did you make it up?

Either way, it´s epic:D

[v_ware]

Anders isn't funny or attractive anymore. So no thanks.

Fenris too is whiny. But at least he's sexy.

[catabuca]

I like them both. I prefer Anders though.

Why is difficult to put into words without a wall-of-text (lol, me? Walls of text? Never!).

Fenris has a wonderful story. It's very moving listening to him talking about his time as a slave. The conversation about the fog warriors gets me every time. And that piece of dialogue, after you spend the night with him, where he says, "I can't ... I can't ..." Just, wow. It floors me every time I hear it. Emery managed the best delivery of any line I've ever heard in a game with that. The way his voice cracks. Stunning. Overall, Fenris is a very compelling character, and while I don't agree with his views, the reasons he holds them give a tremendous sense of depth to his character. He's flawed, he has this huge blind spot just like Anders does, and despite his confidence that he's the only sane one who knows what's what around, being able to see through that confidence at what insecurities lie behind it is one of the things I love about his character.

One of the main reasons I prefer Anders as an LI, however, is because of how intertwined the romance is with the main plot. You still get a great deal of insight into his troubled mind if you don't romance him, but the knowledge that Hawke has a deeper stake in Anders and what he does if you do romance him is what helps me really feel involved in the main story arc. Even though I as a player (and not as one of my various Hawkes) naturally side with Anders anyway and believe what he did was necessary (even if not by him at that point, then by someone else at another point in the future), it's undeniable that there are deep flaws with his motivations and actions. Knowing that Hawke is in love with this troubled man, and is trying to balance his own sense of right and wrong, his love for his family and friends, and his sense of duty toward the city he now calls home, with that love for Anders provides wonderful ways for me to get inside Hawke's head and feel more involved in the world.

Those are the deep and meaningful reasons. On a shallow note, both Fenris and Anders are ridiculously awesome and hot. Fen's voice and gorgeous eyes make me wibble every time, and Anders' intonation and passion makes my heart melt and cry - and those sad brown eyes!

They are both amazing characters, both have their good qualities and their flaws (as 'real' characters, not from a writing pov), and while I'm sure I will romance both of them again, Anders will always have my heart.

[Lirea Dragonage]

I think the more you get to know a character the more rewarding it is.
On my first playthrough I romanced Anders and didn't even finish Fenris's quests or take him along with me much so all I got from him were some nasty comments about mages. I thought - well he's pretty lame.
Second playthrough I decided to take him along a bit and hadn't decided who to romance but I feel like his brooding is totally justifiable as is his hatred of mages. While Anders suddenly became less appealing by being extremely callous towards Fenris's struggles you actually get a chance to argue with Fenris and perhaps ultimately change his mind making it, for me, pretty rewarding.
I now prefer him over Anders. This happened with Isabela too, I didn't get to know her on my first playthrough and thought she was just a bit annoying but on my second I ended up loving her.

[Siansonea]

Hmmmm, for me it's Anders. Fenris just looks like an old lady, and he's all "magic's bad, mmmkay?" So don't relate. Anders is much more interesting, but his actions during The Last Straw made me want to kick him to the curb.

[Tirigon]

Shavon wrote...

I strongly admire Anders' character. He believes in freedom for mages, and will go to great lengths, to the point of his death and the death of others', to ensure that they are freed. He starts a liberation movement that will carry out into further DA games, which is very exciting. Next game, perhaps we can have a liberation movement for the elves, too!

You know this is non-spoiler forum, I hope.....

That said, I fully agree.
Sign me up for the ERA (Elvish Republican Army)!!!!!!!!!!

I am not saying Anders did the right thing. But in these situations, it's usually never the right thing that gets freedom for an oppressed people group, unfortunately. He is one f those people that is admired after death, not during life, because of the extreme measures he took.

Would have been better if he´d targeted the "executive force" so to speak, instead of the ones he did.
But stil better than nothing.

[catabuca]

Shavon wrote...

Meh. . . I don't really want to explain WHY I prefer Anders over Fenris, because it' a pretty controversial stance to have, but why not? And I do preface this with a confession: I haven;t given Fenris a fair chance yet. All of my Hawkes so far have been very pro-mage, so Fen has pretty much been ignored. His deep voice is a complete turn-off as well. It's very awkward to have that voice come from such a slight thing

I strongly admire Anders' character. He believes in freedom for mages, and will go to great lengths, to the point of his death and the death of others', to ensure that they are freed. He starts a liberation movement that will carry out into further DA games, which is very exciting. Next game, perhaps we can have a liberation movement for the elves, too!

I am not saying Anders did the right thing. But in these situations, it's usually never the right thing that gets freedom for an oppressed people group, unfortunately. He is one f those people that is admired after death, not during life, because of the extreme measures he took.

Controversy be damned. I completely agree with you, Shavon. I admire him as well, and for all the reasons you stated.

[Dasha Dreyson]

I don't know. I see Anders 2.0 (or Anders +1) and Fenris as almost the same character. I prefer Anders because I knew what he was like, but that's not fair to Fenris since even he doesn't know what he was like before. I'm not sure Fenris would have behaved any differently had they been in the Tevinter Empire. I think Fenris was meant to be a foil for Anders, though Sebastian did a better job of that imo.

[Bluumberry]

EccentricSage wrote...

Been watching Youtube vids. Already have developed a dislike of Fenris. No personality, melodramatic, and completely flat VA.

The moment you say that Gideon Emery is flat, you loose any credit your opinion might have had.

Even if you might not like how his voice sounds, the guy has talent and calling him completely flat demeans video game voice acting itself.

[Kyriani Agrivar]

One thing that really cinches it for me to stick with Anders is how much he loves you. He loves you so much he protects you from complicity in his actions. In his own way he's trying to shield you from his actions. If you listen closely when he tells you why did what he did, he is basically saying:

"I didn't want you to know cause I didn't want you to be knowingly responsible. If you wanted to help that would be worse because the part of me that is the spirit of would demand justice from you just as it demands it of me now. I couldn't bear you paying that price as well... not because of me."

I know I am making it much more wordy than it is in game and I had to edit this post more than I'd like to avoid specific spoilers but that is what I took from the conversations.

Modifié par Kyriani Agrivar, 24 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[0x30A88]

To add to this, wasn't it a short intro to a dialogue where someone is to get a cure for some iching and Anders saying those pirate chicks "dock" in many places?

[Taura-Tierno]

Ander's is whiny with no legitimate reason. Plus he's entirely close-minded.

Fenris is whiny for more legitimate reasons (having been enslaved, tortured, oppressed and put through awful magical rituals). Plus, he's open-minded, and even admits that some mages (Hawke or Bethany) are "strong" where most are not. And he's willing to put his beliefs aside for the sake of friends.

[Kyriani Agrivar]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Ander's is whiny with no legitimate reason. Plus he's entirely close-minded.

Fenris is whiny for more legitimate reasons (having been enslaved, tortured, oppressed and put through awful magical rituals). Plus, he's open-minded, and even admits that some mages (Hawke or Bethany) are "strong" where most are not. And he's willing to put his beliefs aside for the sake of friends.

No legitimate reason??? Dude... people like him are ripped from their families, locked away in a tower, forced to fight demons or suffer the equivalent of a lobotomy, and generally used as slave labor in many cases. I'd say he has ALOT to whine about.

Modifié par Kyriani Agrivar, 24 mars 2011 - 05:43 .

[LadyJaneGrey]

EccentricSage wrote...

Been watching Youtube vids. Already have developed a dislike of Fenris. No personality, melodramatic, and completely flat VA.

Anders seems promising.

I already love Isabella, though her outfit makes me rage. "Hey, lets have a strong female character who knows what she wants! Lets dress her like a cheep ****!" Nevermind the fact that she's supposed to be a duelist rogue, not a bar wench.

There's a mod for her outfit if you're interested.  Check out the nexus.

[Bluumberry]

Kyriani Agrivar wrote...

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Ander's is whiny with no legitimate reason. Plus he's entirely close-minded.

Fenris is whiny for more legitimate reasons (having been enslaved, tortured, oppressed and put through awful magical rituals). Plus, he's open-minded, and even admits that some mages (Hawke or Bethany) are "strong" where most are not. And he's willing to put his beliefs aside for the sake of friends.

No legitimate reason??? Dude... people like him are ripped from their families, locked away in a tower, forced to fight demons or suffer the equivalent of a lobotomy, and generally used as slave labor in many cases. I'd say he has ALOT to whine about.

DA2 changed my mind about the treatment of mages. If you remember, Wynne comments on how many never even make it to the tower before they get killed. How exactly do you think children with magic survive outside the circle? They don't. They usually get posessed (*cough*Connor*cough*) or killed by someone else. I think the only reason mage!Hawke/Bethany survived so well is due to their father having been in the Circle originally.

Yes, mage treatment in the circle could be better, yes there are corrupter templars, but the majority of mages can't be trusted to govern themselves. Or didn't the amount of blood mages in the game clue you in?

And as was said before, Fenris actually agrees that not all mages are bad and such while Anders would kill every templar in sight basically.