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[Therion942]

Spectres are intended to be governmental cleaners.
Some, however, are not very good at their jobs and gain fame/infamy.
The good Spectres are the ones you probably never hear about.
Some can't avoid attaining fame, like Shepard, never meant to imply that he was a bad spectre btw.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Nyoka wrote...

AGogley wrote...

The closest parallel in movies to a Spectre is probably James Bond. A Spectre is a Secret Agent whose purpose is to operate outside the law according to the interests of the government while giving said government deniability about the Agent's activities. This way if the Agent screws up, the government can simply say the Agent did so without permission and was acting on his own. Frankly, this type of Agent exists to avoid discussions about morality. Some people believe that it's ok to kill enemy combatants while they sleep...others think such persons should be "arrested." An Agent such as James Bond or a Spectre exists to avoid beaucracy and the changing sea of morality as defined by the existing politicians.

Which is state terrorism. Saren is doing something bad in a lab in Virmire? No worries, we drop an atomic bomb on it. Problem solved.

You are taking this example glaringly out of context. There was no established life on the planet excluding the clones of Korgan ensalved to Saren's will. What else could have been done? The cloning facility had to be destroyed. The only questionable aspect was the unnecessary potency of the nuke but that is just being nitpicky.

As for your earlier post. While I am in complete agreement with any individual having the amount of authority a Spectre would. I am of the belief when you commit certain illegal activities (rape, murder, molestation come to mind) your human rights should instantaneously become void exception are extreme circumstances in the case of murder. Granted, this is under the assumption the crime has been proven. Then again I am supportive on execution for those crimes. So this is hardly a surprise.

[Avalon Aurora]

When it really comes down it, there are enough Specters loyal to the Council that they are likely helpful in keeping them in power. If you don't like the Council, then those Specters are evil government enforcers, and worse, ones that can use any means necessary to get the job done.

If you like the council, then there might be a few corrupt Specters, but there is a chance that the Galaxy couldn't be kept stable without the Specters in general outweighing that. The fact that Specters seem to have a romantic super-spy hero reputation for the most part (although it could just be propaganda) indicates that they might be generally good guys doing hard stuff that sometimes breaks or bends the law. Saren was an example of when they go bad, but Shepard, probably Nihlus, and likely many others are heroes, constantly going about helping people and saving the galaxy and stuff.

[Arijharn]

Reiella wrote...

Jonny_Evil wrote...

Jack's recruitment mission is post-Normandy destruction. Shepard is officially dead, and so no longer a Spectre.

I noticed that as well.

Council:"Shepard, we don't trust you and we don't want you operating in our space as a Spectre."
*Five minutes later, down the hall*
Shepard:" I'm a goddamn Spectre and I'm above the Law, miscreant!"

Yes, but I'm now talking about the first game, where Shepard gets grounded while still maintaining Spectre status.

The point I'm trying to make with that, is that while there is the 'by any means necessary' clause, the Spectres are still accountable for their actions in a direct sense, and any consequences of the means the Spectre use to pursue that course of action are theirs to handle [or fail to handle].

Simply 'telling someone to do something' doesn't mean they have to do it.  Largely that's why the Council feels the need for the Spectres to exist in the first place.

I'm probably late to the party, but it's probably simply because Shephard's actions (i.e., successfully stopping Saren and the destruction of the Council, or alternatively effectively allowing the rules to be somewhat re-written) that allowed him/her to escape without censure.

If Shephard's actions didn't provide a suitable level of success, then I would have imagined that he would suffer consequences.

[Taleroth]

Spectres is simply pants-on-head. It's the Cowboy Cop archetype given complete jurisdiction and authority. With hand-waved oversight. Works fine as an excuse to make a player a supercop without having to deal with paperwork. It's absolutely insane in-setting.

[Wulfram]

Jonny_Evil wrote...

They didn't revoke his Spectre status then, possibly because he turned out to be right, but they banned him from going and locked down his ship. When Shepard went to Ilos he was disobeying the direct orders of the council, if he'd turned out to be wrong there would certainly have been dire repercussions for his actions.

The council didn't ban Shepard from going and lock down his ship, Ambassador Udina did.  They advised against it, but Shepard was in fact following Council orders by continuing his pursuit of Saren - the appearance that the Council was stopping him was simply a method to allow them to disclaim responsibility if there was an incident with the Terminus Systems.

Or at least that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.  Since it's convenient for the council, I doubt they'll contradict it.

[Labrev]

I'd hate it.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. You take a guy, an idealist with good intentions all the way and make him a dictator and he WILL go bad. That's what I'd have trouble with, as far as the Spectres.

I get it from a game point-of-view, making it an RPG an all. But I'd hate Spectres in real life.

[Taleroth]

Jonny_Evil wrote...

They didn't revoke his Spectre status then, possibly because he turned out to be right, but they banned him from going and locked down his ship. When Shepard went to Ilos he was disobeying the direct orders of the council, if he'd turned out to be wrong there would certainly have been dire repercussions for his actions.

Fun thing to recall.  His ship was locked down and he was forced to stay on the Citadel because the council believed that was Saren's target.

What was Saren's actual target?  Oh right, THE CITADEL.  They were right to ground him.

[Smeelia]

Jonny_Evil wrote...

Shepard is officially dead, and so no longer a Spectre.

I don't really understand why that would automatically be the case.  There shouldn't really be a reason to revoke a Spectre's status just because they die (it's not like they'll be using it) and faking their death could well be part of their work (meaning that losing their status could cause problems).  If anything they should be allowed to keep their status so that they can be honoured and remembered, revoking their Spectre status is far more likely to be seen as some kind of insult (imagine if military personnel had their rank removed as soon as they died for any reason, it'd only serve to upset and anger people).  I don't really think it was well handled in the game since it's treated as a minor point and has no impact on the rest of Shepard's activities.

Getting back to the main topic, I'd like to think that something like the Spectres could work.  As long as you have trustworthy people in place they can deal with problems without needing to wait for specific orders or decisions by the government (or other political sources).  They're not entirely unrestricted and the council will call them out if they cross a line that they shouldn't, I think one of the council members mentions that they are specifically chosen individuals who can be trusted to know where the lines are and not cross them.

Of course, getting the right people is problematic and once something goes wrong with them it may be difficult to deal with.  It'd be particularly bad if enough of them worked together against the council, since they'd have sources and information that could put them in a strong position to threaten and possibly control the council.  The Justicar Order is treated with extreme caution by the Asari government for similar reasons.

I'm not sure that the Spectres are really necessary.  There are plenty of more open and accountable bodies that can deal with most problems, such as police forces and so on, so it's not really clear that the Spectres would be entirely necessary.  You could also say that it just gives the council an excuse to avoid building useful and reliable organisations by simply having a "catch-all" group that can go anywhere, do anything and deal with any problem that the other organisations may not be able to.  Of course that could also be a point in favour of the Spectres, in that the council is ensuring that there's no problem that can't be dealt with and it is suggested that Spectres aren't needed too often (proportionally speaking at least, the entire of council space and all races most likely encounter a lot of problems on a daily basis but the vast majority of them won't need Spectre involvment).

There would also be issues with how the general public would deal with Spectres.  The fact that they are a well known group doesn't necessarily mean you know when you're dealing with one (even if some of them are very famous).  Someone pretending to be a Spectre could be very intimidating, in the interrogation that others mentioned where Shepard says "I'm a Spectre, start talking" it can work even if Shepard isn't officially recognised as a Spectre at the time.  A big part of the reason that Saren was so successful in the first place was that he was a known Spectre and could rely on assistance from people who thought they had no choice (as well as the fact that the council wasn't going to look too closely at what he was up to).

On a side note, it's interesting that both the Asari and the Salarians already have groups similar to the Spectres (the Justicars and Special Tasks Group) so they'd already be used to the idea and willing to let the council have their own group (and perhaps even feel it needs one incase the others become an issue).  The Turians don't have a Spectre type group that I'm aware of but their culture is favourable for such a group since they generally trust people to do their duty and feel that the superiors are responsible for making sure the right people are in the right job.  It is suggested that the council doesn't really take responsibility for the Spectres and that would be against the Turian cultural norms but then it's also said that the council will deal with a rogue Spectre by sending another Spectre (which could be said to be taking responsibility by dealing with the issue directly).

Nyoka wrote...

Spectres are simply state terrorists. They do illegal stuff the council can't do because it's bound by laws, like going to Feros or to a biotic community and killing everybody and get away with it. It works in a game because you are a force for Good, and Good and Evil are easy to spot in games.

Spectres are above a person's right to a fair trial, and above a person's right to live.

In a less incendiary analogy, they would be corsairs. They have official permission to use violence against the enemies of the nation (or galactic community). For example, they can destroy and plunder cerberus facilities.

I don't think Spectres are quite state terrorists, they are problem solvers that are given the freedom to act against threats without needing to wait for specific orders rather than being a force for keeping the people in check.  The way I understand it they're not really above the law as such, they're just given the freedom to work around the law in order to deal with serious problems and will generally be forgiven for transgressions that are deemed lesser than the value of the work they do.  That seems to be fairly consistent in-universe (at least in the games), you don't hear about a Spectre that shot someone they didn't like and got away with it and it's implied that they wouldn't get away with it (at least because it would demonstrate that they're not suitable as a Spectre due to being unable to put the needs of the council above personal desires).  They could cover it up and try to pretend it was necessary but that wouldn't be acceptable and they'd have their status revoked and be dealt with if it was discovered.  While the fact that Spectres aren't strictly monitored may make it easier for them to commit crimes it doesn't mean that they will or that they would get away with it and it's also worth noting that a Spectre could investigate another Spectre without needing the council's permission (meaning they could do the investigation more easily without the other Spectre finding out).

Still, the fact that Spectres are a tool of the council and are there to deal with any threat to the council they could easily become terrorists and act to suppress people under certain circumstances.  For example, if a popular idea for a new form of government was spreading then it could become a threat to the council and if the Spectres were sent to deal with it (or simply did so themselves under their remit) then it'd be crossing a line that is perhaps technically legal but morally unacceptable.  It's not entirely clear if the Spectres work for the actual council body or if they're supposed to work for the good of the council's member and associated races (I think the official line is "for galactic stability", which could be defined in a number of ways).  If it's the former then they're far more likely to end up doing something that the majority disagree with in the name of maintaining the current government, if it's the latter then they could theoretically act against a corrupt council (leaving a bit of a grey area with who they'd then be accountable to in proving that they were right to act as they did).

The general idea of the Spectres is perhaps well intentioned, it's just that it's incredibly easy for them to become corrupted or cross lines that most people wouldn't be happy with.  Still, just because they can go bad doesn't mean that they will but there are definately a lot of questions about just how such a system could work.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Nyoka wrote...

Bourne Endeavor, you could also evacuate the complex and protect it from a possible recapture. Those clones won't make themselves, and that way you can save innocent people's life, like Rana Thanoptis' or all those innocent Krogan whose only crime was being born. Yes, you encounter one or two hostile Krogan along the way, but what else can you expect? You are assaulting their complex. Also, you should block Saren's relations with Binary Helix, getting all his activities defunded. That would be the legal thing to do.

Going and killing everything is a blatant crime not unlike what Saren did in his mission with Anderson in that refinery. Of course, that refinery was run by people that were Good, while Saren's facility's workers and cloned Krogan are Bad. And people who are Bad automatically get all their rights stripped off. As Shepard says in Noveria: "You're here for bribe money. That makes you a criminal. I can kill criminals.

We are in a dire situation wherein we must pursue a war criminal and only we have forehand knowledge is attempting to commit galactic genocide and you wish to waste valuable time evacuating Krogan? This is frankly delusional, and in actuality could very well have provided Saren the window of opportunity he required to finally remain ahead of Shepard. In addition, they are servants due to indoctrination and liken more to husks. To add to these baffling scenarios, Krogan are inherently a hostile race and pride themselves of combat prowess. In this instance they attack on sight with nary any intention of surrender. They are not necessarily even aware of why Shepard is present, considering they would only acquire such information from Saren and he is hardly a talkative individual.

Rana Thanoptis innocent, really? One of my few regrets whenever I play through the majority of my files in ME2 is not drilling that woman between the eyes. She was a willing assistant in Saren's experimentation. Her reasons for requesting aid are twofold: Shepard is bulldozing through, barrels at the ready and her fear of indoctrination. Provide that woman with a few Krogans and the assurance she will not be enslaved and I imagine her disposition alters.

The two events are hardly comparable. Saren went out of his way to intentionally murder innocence to facilitate his hatred for humanity. His motivation was premeditated to decimate any possibility of Anderson's Spectre candidacy. Shepard was attempting to infiltrate a hostile fortress, which could usher a war. In fact, I shall offer this as another example to the plentiful amount of above. Had Saren been successful those Krogan would have been shock troops.

It is dependent on the crime. If you murder someone in cold blood. Forget wasting money and time with incarceration. Put a bullet in their head and be done with it. Evidently, it is not often as simplistic as that but under the assumption rape and murder are committed and irrefutably proven. You have my answer. The only exception being self defense and temporary insanity in specific cases, but this off topic.

Your entire post is seething with blind idealism. Even from a real life perspective the world simply does not function in such a manner. The primary objective of war is victory and conquest in under virtually all circumstances. If you hesitate to such a degree the ramifications could be catastrophic. A rescue is preformed only when possible and even than in war it is essentially unheard of. War is comparison to business. How successful you become goes hand in hand with how unsuccessful your competition is, primarily because you are directly attempting to put them down or at least establish superiority.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 24 mars 2011 - 04:54 .

[Nashiktal]

MissFish wrote...

Unfortunetly..... America is basically run by the council. Air quotes included

"Sanity? We have dismissed that claim"

America? The Alliance is entirely seperate from any Earth-Based nation. The Alliance is the represenative body of Humanity to the Galactic community, as well as the protector of all of Humanities Galactic assets. Kind of a change from what the Alliance was before the first contact war... But I digress.

[Almostfaceman]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Bourne Endeavor, you could also evacuate the complex and protect it from a possible recapture. Those clones won't make themselves, and that way you can save innocent people's life, like Rana Thanoptis' or all those innocent Krogan whose only crime was being born. Yes, you encounter one or two hostile Krogan along the way, but what else can you expect? You are assaulting their complex. Also, you should block Saren's relations with Binary Helix, getting all his activities defunded. That would be the legal thing to do.

Going and killing everything is a blatant crime not unlike what Saren did in his mission with Anderson in that refinery. Of course, that refinery was run by people that were Good, while Saren's facility's workers and cloned Krogan are Bad. And people who are Bad automatically get all their rights stripped off. As Shepard says in Noveria: "You're here for bribe money. That makes you a criminal. I can kill criminals.

We are in a dire situation wherein we must pursue a war criminal and only we have forehand knowledge is attempting to commit galactic genocide and you wish to waste valuable time evacuating Krogan? This is frankly delusional, and in actuality could very well have provided Saren the window of opportunity he required to finally remain ahead of Shepard. In addition, they are servants due to indoctrination and liken more to husks. To add to these baffling scenarios, Krogan are inherently a hostile race and pride themselves of combat prowess. In this instance they attack on sight with nary any intention of surrender. They are not necessarily even aware of why Shepard is present, considering they would only acquire such information from Saren and he is hardly a talkative individual.

Rana Thanoptis innocent, really? One of my few regrets whenever I play through the majority of my files in ME2 is not drilling that woman between the eyes. She was a willing assistant in Saren's experimentation. Her reasons for requesting aid are twofold: Shepard is bulldozing through, barrels at the ready and her fear of indoctrination. Provide that woman with a few Krogans and the assurance she will not be enslaved and I imagine her disposition alters.

The two events are hardly comparable. Saren went out of his way to intentionally murder innocence to facilitate his hatred for humanity. His motivation was premeditated to decimate any possibility of Anderson's Spectre candidacy. Shepard was attempting to infiltrate a hostile fortress, which could usher a war. In fact, I shall offer this as another example to the plentiful amount of above. Had Saren been successful those Krogan would have been shock troops.

It is dependent on the crime. If you murder someone in cold blood. Forget wasting money and time with incarceration. Put a bullet in their head and be done with it. Evidently, it is not often as simplistic as that but under the assumption rape and murder are committed and irrefutably proven. You have my answer. The only exception being self defense and temporary insanity in specific cases, but this off topic.

Your entire post is seething with blind idealism. Even from a real life perspective the world simply does not function in such a manner. The primary objective of war is victory and conquest in under virtually all circumstances. If you hesitate to such a degree the ramifications could be catastrophic. A rescue is preformed only when possible and even than in war it is essentially unheard of. War is comparison to business. How successful you become goes hand in hand with how unsuccessful your competition is, primarily because you are directly attempting to put them down or at least establish superiority.

Well said Bourne Endeavor, may I also add that evacuation isn't a realistic possibility in the Virmire scenario.  There is no way to signal for backup.  Time is of the essence.  The enemy has more troops - there are far more than "one or two" krogan and geth and most of them are being diverted temporarily by the Salarian frontal assault team.  Sovereign is in the area, becomes aware of the situation, and approaches.  The troops the Virmire facility is manufacturing are Reaper-mind-controlled-zombies.  Evacuation - impossible.  Holding the facility - impossible.

Blocking Saren's funding with Binary Helix is irrelevant.  Saren is in league with a Reaper - a life form that has been planning this strike for possibly centuries.  Alternate paths of funding/resources are to be expected and are observed (geth, anybody?).

[AGogley]

Nyoka wrote...

AGogley wrote...

The closest parallel in movies to a Spectre is probably James Bond. A Spectre is a Secret Agent whose purpose is to operate outside the law according to the interests of the government while giving said government deniability about the Agent's activities. This way if the Agent screws up, the government can simply say the Agent did so without permission and was acting on his own. Frankly, this type of Agent exists to avoid discussions about morality. Some people believe that it's ok to kill enemy combatants while they sleep...others think such persons should be "arrested." An Agent such as James Bond or a Spectre exists to avoid beaucracy and the changing sea of morality as defined by the existing politicians.

Which is state terrorism. Saren is doing something bad in a lab in Virmire? No worries, we drop an atomic bomb on it. Problem solved.

Ridiculous.  The point of terrorism is to make political change by causing terror.  The purpose of a Spectre is to eliminate threats silently without fear of political backlash and handwringing.  The fact that some aren't so secretive is exactly why the Council has deniability.

[ajw]

Jonny_Evil wrote...

They didn't revoke his Spectre status then, possibly because he turned out to be right, but they banned him from going and locked down his ship. When Shepard went to Ilos he was disobeying the direct orders of the council, if he'd turned out to be wrong there would certainly have been dire repercussions for his actions.

It was actually Ambassador Udina who issued the order to lock down the Normandy's systems and not the Council.  Udina really should have gotten in trouble for that with the Alliance Parliament or Alliance Command as the Normandy was still technically an Alliance military ship and outside Udina's authority - unless for some reason the ambassador to the Citadel is in the direct military chain of command - and only able to be ordered by someone like Admiral Hackett or the Alliance president.

[Almostfaceman]

Nyoka wrote...


Very convenient. They are not really sentient beings like humans, therefore we can kill them. It's the same excuse everybody gives to justify genocide. That's why the indians were wiped out (dismissed as "savages"), and that's why slavery was possible (3/5 of a human). But Rana Thanoptis and Menos Avot were not indoctrinated, and Shepard still killed them.

To compare the indoctrinated troops with Native Americans is ridiculous.  Indoctrination is an involuntary process initiated by a Reaper (in this case Sovereign) whereby any race - Krogan, Salarian, Human, Asari - become slaves to the Reapers' will.  

I have yet to meet one Native American who is a slave to a Reapers will. <_<

The base was designed to produce an indoctrinated Krogan army - with the side function of Saren studying indoctrination because he was scared he was being indoctrinated.

Saren couldn't be allowed to have the army - the base had to be destroyed.

My Shepards don't kill Rana or Menos - but especially in the case of Rana, I liken the situation to an American soldier capturing a N_a_z_i party civilian in WWII - he can shoot the N_a_z_i (Renegade) or he can leave the civilian to their fate in the middle of a combat zone (Paragon).  Menos has arguably been indoctrinated - he's hearing whispering voices of the Reaper.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 24 mars 2011 - 08:04 .

[Drake_Hound]

Saphra Deden wrote...

 The Spectres are a peculiar group. They are secret agents, super heroes, and also secret police. Though the game initially tries to impress us by talking about how important they are we eventually find out just how dark they can be. 

A Spectre could kill you for just about any reason and never be punished for it. The Council prefers to be as uninvolved as possible in Spectre activities. Saren was eventually delcared rogue, but he was their top agent for decades. More telling however, is the fact that his reputation was not secret. Everyone, including the Council, knew how ruthless and cold-blooded he was. They just didn't care. 

To pose a question, I ask: how would you feel if you found out your government employed secret agents who had total immunity from the law? The only person they reported to would be the President (or Prime Minister or w/e). No other authority in the land could touch them. Would you feel safe? Would you feel threatened? How would you feel about your government?

Let say many Black Ops stays BLACK OPS , many things done stays hidden , there is nothing new to it .
We all know as long those stuff are done by somebody , we don´t get to hear about it we don´t care .

Now the spectres work in reverse of that universe system system , they are public known , there actions can be made public or not by decision of the council , they have License to Kill and answer to nobody .
If they are too messy , they should send another spectre after him or her .
Saren has a great reputation , so if he said NO I DIDN´T DO IT , who do you prefer to listen to , somebody who served you a lifetime , or some people with a grudge (like anders) and some new want to be spectre .

Now back to your real life question , NO if we hear about something like this in real life , no matter what public will demand a disband , simple as that , powerfull men are envious and jealous more often then not scared of it .
So it wouldn´t work , cause you have corrupt policeman , corrupt military people , imagine the horror they would do if they just do it in public .
Without anybody else to punish them , what if they form a organisation of corruption ... you know how scary that gets.
That is one of the reasons , black ops stay black ops , if publicly known what they did , they will be disbanded .
No matter how good or how many bad things they did .

[yfullman]

I believe no one is above the law but unfortunately in the mass effect galaxy the Spectres seem almost necessary. Spectres are charged with protecting the greatest symbol of civilization, the citadel council, by any means necessary. Yes, it is a very corrupt civilization in which the races with the largest fleets treat all others as second class citizens,but every civilization is like this.

My Shepard have more often than not been paragon because I pick the choices I would make in real life but when it comes to the indoctrinated I kill them everytime. They are simply not people anymore. They have no will of their own and they cannot be reasoned with. And according to Vigil it is the greatest weapon the Reapers possess.

When faced against threats like these difficult choices must be made. When faced with an enemy that can simply not be reasoned with unpleasant decisions have to be enforced. So the Council picks the best and brightest and gives them the authority to make these choices for the greater good. So that civilization itself can continue. The alternative is to have things like they are in the terminus. With the people with the biggest sticks running everything. That is basically how it is in council space but atleast there is some order.Yes, in a perfect world everyone would be equal under the law, but then again laws are made by people and are thus imperfect anyway.

[Almostfaceman]

Nyoka wrote...

Almostfaceman, regardless of what we think should or should not had to be done, the thing is Shepard's actions are above the law. It doesn't matter if blowing up the complex and killing all those people is illegal or not--Shepard can do it anyway. Shepard is an agent of the government who can do illegal things, including killing people without a trial or anything. She is the law, the judge, and the executor. That's state terrorism.

Are you seriously comparing a video game character to real life?  Shepards situation is obviously an artificial cinematic construct designed to let people play out a sci fi fantasy where they can make galatic decisions. I don't see that many people throwing out their copies of Mass Effect because you've convinced them that Shepard is a state terrorist. 

[100k]

Remember that the Specters aren't just anyone the Council chooses though. They are carefully reviewed, monitered (pre Specter status), and evaluated. The Council chooses incredible individuals who's prowess and ability is above and beyond what even the highest ranked soldier could achieve.
Saren was chosen because of his incredible success rate, even in the face of danger.
Nihilus was chosen because of his decorated war past, and tracking abilities.
Vasir was chosen because she was a damn good detective. Same for Garrus.
Shepard was chosen to be a Specter because he/she is a combination of the three.

These aren't just mercs with talent. They are specialists, even more skilled than every member of Shepard's team (except Samara, Zaeed, and Garrus). They are given their ability with the full understanding (via the council) that they can leave the galaxy a better place, if given unlimited resources and support. And in truth, every Specter we've seen has attempted just that. Saren, seeing the millions of years of experience in the Reaper galactic plan, decided that it was better to save all sentient life by submission over extinction. Vasir, like Shepard, joined a shady organization in order to save more innocents in a long term plan.

[TuringPoint]

Almostfacemen:  You might be forgetting that part of the reason for allowing these choices is to inspire a reaction in said audience. To "make you think." That is the strength of a game as a storytelling medium - most stories can make you think, but don't require you to represent your thinking about the situations or the characters in any way.

As for killing indoctrinated servants... this is a similar situation to what you see in countless sci fi plots. Shooting storm troopers, who are probably just taking orders and afraid to defy them, is an example. Any 'action sci fi adventure' has something comparable. The main characters have to survive to achieve the end of defeating a great evil, to end the need to kill any more.

I don't necessarily believe it's right to kill so many.  It disturbs me at times, and it disturbs my character at times I would like to think, although my character is somehow forced by their personality into these situations as givens where I would not need to be in real life.

Modifié par Alocormin, 24 mars 2011 - 09:11 .