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[EccentricSage]

ShadyKat wrote...

Both games had their fair share of problems. I just think too many people here think Origins was 100% flawless, and the greatest RPG of all time. When it was good, but generic at the same time. The story, setting and characters have all been done a thousand times over. And certain parts of the game did plod on (Mages tower, Fade and the Deep Roads) Also the combat was indeed too slow, and very clunky.


However, DA2 didn't really fix the problems, they just removed 99% of them. The combat is better, but now too fast, and spastic. The story was more original, yet far less epic. The Fade and Deep Roads sections were both over a little too fast....etc. A happy medium for DA3 would be much more appreciated, than just making it 100% like Origins.

Well said.  I LOVE Origins, but even back when it first came out, I complained of some glaring flaws.  For example, there were what seemed to be loose threads in some of the sub-plots, such as Broken Circle.  For instance, there is a note you can find in Irving's office, adressed to Uldred, that reveals that he is not the kindly protector of his Circle that he pretends to be.  It reveals he was Uldred's co-conspirator in tempting mages to use blood magic.  This disturbing revalation goes nowhere, though.  You can not call him out on it, you can not give the note to The Templar comander, you can't discuss it with Alistair or Wynne.  It's very frustrating.  There was also a bit of removed content from Broken Circle where Wynne calls you out on using Blood Magic, and you ether have to talk your way out of it, or fight Irving, the Templar Comander, Cullen, and Wynne.  Even if you restore this bit of removed content, you still can't call Irving out on what he did.  I found that imensely frustrating.  And don't even get me started on how stupid and poorly executed the Mage Origin was.  I got none of the sense of opression and fear that the lore conveys.  In the end, it's also hard to sympathise with that looser Jowan.  Also, the harrowing was far from being harrowing, even on Nightmare, and the fact you have to negotiate with spirits and daemons in order to complete it flies in the face of the supposed purpose of the Harrowing; to test weather or not mages will trust and work with demons and spirits.  Any cooperation with the demons and spirits should have logically led to posession and failure, and not cooperating with them should have meant more difficulty in completing the task.

Yes, I could go on about this forever.  But over all, I thought most of the art direction at least made sense in Origins, even if some parts were too bland (deep roads, anyone?), and I did feel like I was trully my own character and that my choices had a lasting effect on the world, as well as on my companions.  I see some such elements of that in 2, but to a far far lesser extent, with the focus instead being on cinema, a story you have little impact on, and unavoidable battles with no option of intimidation or persuade check.  I'm waiting until it hits the bargain bin to buy it, and then I'm mainly only buying it for Anders and Isabella (who's outfit is pants on head retarded).

I really think they need a more imaginative art director, who actually pays atention to lore, history, descriptions from Gaider's novels, and simple logic.  Going barefoot into battle, for example, is a constand immersion breaker for me.  It's utterly asinine.  So far we seem to see really beautiful and imaginative concept art, which often makes no sense in the context of the actual game, as well as some very spoty and inconsistent implamentation in general.

Modifié par EccentricSage, 24 mars 2011 - 11:08 .

[Hatchetman77]

I agree with the poster above me, Origins had a lot of flaws.  The fans forgave them though, because BioWare was making a type of game that a lot of fans of the RPG genre haden't had in a long time.  Now that they are moving away from that genre into more of a mainstream apprach, the fans are not willing to forgive those same flaws as well as criticizing the changes.

[Dutch105]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Use of language like simplified and not wanting to confuse people. Did you think enchanting was complex?

What he's saying is the only reason DA2 was even as complex as it was , is because it was only designed by the core team. He would have liked it to be even simpler.

That's rubbish and not what he's saying at all.

He's denying that they're appealling to  a much wider audience because if they had wanted to do that, they'dve stripped out absolutely everything in Origins.  He's using hyperbole to make his point that in fact this was the very opposite that he wanted to do.  The fact that they haven't got only had one character (i.e. just Male Warrior) with no companions and no customisation shows that.

Or of course, he may just be Satan himself, as many wish to make him out for, and therefore twist and misconstrue what he's saying.

Modifié par Dutch105, 24 mars 2011 - 11:22 .

[EccentricSage]

I don't think he's Satan. I think he's being an ass using hyperbole and dumping on origins when that is exactly what he and the devs complain about fans doing in regards to 2. No surprise that things just keep getting more heated and confrontational between the two sides. There shouldn't even BE any taking of sides. There should just be thoughtful analysis of what 2 did wrong or right, with some of the more constructive criticism taken into account. It's not that hard to differentiate between trolls and nerd rage, vs. constructive criticism and honest dissatisfaction. It's not that difficult to ignore the former and address only the later.

[Cody211282]

You think that interview was bad look at this one.

http://www.gamespot....5575/index.html

[St. Walker]

BeljoraDien wrote...

aphelion002 wrote...

Link to this? Also, I have been wondering this for sometime now, does Mike Laidlaw even like Dragon Age Origins? Ever since development I have heard far more bad than good come out of him about that game. From the way he talks you would think Origins was made by Bethesda or something.

It's funny; I noticed this exact same thing, and not just with Laidlaw but many of the developers. On the release of Awakening people were complaining about how short it was, and one of the devs began arguing that DA:O was actually too long... Wish I could remember which one now. Makes you wonder why they even made it...

Too long? If anything I wanted Origins to be even longer! I was so enthralled by that game...it  was amazing. When the end came I was in no way ready to stop playing, I started a new file immediately after. In Dragon Age 2, however, I had to force myself through. By the start of Act III I couldn't wait for the nightmare to be over.

[Wivvix]

Baelyn wrote...

Mike Laidlaw: Dragon Age II was designed by just the senior, core team. Honestly I don't feel it's a game that's been designed to appeal far and wide and so on. If it were, there were choices we could have made that would have taken it much, much further. We would have probably simplified down to a single character, maybe with companions; probably looked at doing some even deeper changes to inventory management, making sure that... You wouldn't want to confuse people with enchanting or anything complex like that.
http://www.eurogamer...ge-ii-interview

How in the world are you getting that from that quote?

The quote actually proves exactly opposite of that. He says that he doesnt think that the game is been designed to appeal to everyone, AND that if it had been we possibly wouldn't have even seen companions, a much more simplified inventory and no crafting. Which we all know is not the case with DA2.

You're missing the point. Nobody has ever argued that DA2 was catering to a "far and wide" audience. What has been argued and even shown to be the case, is that the DA2 team sought to appeal to people who played games like COD and Assassin's Creed. That shift is apparent comparing features of DAO to DA2, and the community HAS responded to that in reviews of DA2.

This quote is essentially proof of the extent to which Laidlaw was prepared to abandon Origins and the goal of "spiritual successor to BG". That he considers these changes possible or even necessary, in order to appeal to ANY audience, goes to show he's completely lost sight of his customer/fan base.

Baelyn wrote...
Sure they wanted to make it more accessible to people not as familiar with RPG concepts, hence his comment about taking it "much, much further," but that hardly proves that the game was "dumbed down" to the point even kiddies can play it to its fullest which is what he was arguing against. It proves that they knew there were issues with DA:O that many people didn't like and wanted to make changes.

Accessible to people not as familiar with RPG concepts? That's total rubbish. What he's proposing is essentially to remove the RPG concepts! He's not evolving the franchise, he's turning it into a long-winded 1 button story sequence.

It proves nothing about any of the issues facing DAO. Moreover in many respects it's proof that Laidlaw wants to make an R18 game "kiddie accessible".
The average gamer is between 20 and 40 years of age. This is the prime demographic of the western RPG market. If Laidlaw is given a longer leash and is allowed to remove or diminish any more aspects of what makes an RPG an RPG, he's going to remove all of the immersion and accessibility of the game for the previous target audience, and things will really turn ugly in the reviews.

[cw8]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...
The game is just as tactical as DAO if not more. If casual gamers want to set it to easy mode / normal mode and hack and slash they can. But try hacking and slashing on hard mode.

Really? I completed the whole game on Nightmare. Calling the repetition of fighting waves and waves of enemies, with the exception of the 3 big bosses, tactical is really LOL.

[Lacan2]

"To be quite frank, that's a story we told before, and while there's
nothing wrong with it, we really wanted to challenge ourselves to not
have you end up in the Jedi Order or a Child of Baal, what have you."


I don't understand this comment. Those two games were the most acclaimed Bioware games out there.

Yes, I know having a protagonist of uncertain parentage/background reach staggering heights of power has been used before, but that's the basis of so much fantasy.

[Mantaal]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Mantaal wrote...

StartOrange wrote...

want to behave like 10 year old brats
I enjoyed the game. I enjoyed the combat. I enjoyed the story. I enjoyed the characters. And my friends who played the game enjoyed it too. I applaud Bioware for branching out and trying something new and I hope they continue doing just that.

Yeah you have to be 10 years old to like that kind of "Combat" "Story" and the Game at all.

Im 33 and when i see Exploding Humans i hit with a Dagger i can only knock my Head on the Table..
Much better are Cloth shirt wearing Fighters with big boobs and no Pants fighting a Army...
What Mature peoples would ever like something like that? Ive got over stuff like that when i reached the Age of 14.

Please, don't act like you're superior cause you're 33 years old and just "over all of that."

I'm 17, and I consider myself generally more mature then the rest of my peers, but not more mature then the typical adult.

But don't go sprouting around that kind of thing. If you didn't say you were 33, and by judging your spelling and grammar, I would've guessed you were some 14 year old acting like he was mature and above the rest of the crowd or something.

Im sure my English is much better then your German, or French or Latin

[cljqnsnyc]

The level of dismissiveness and condescension in that interview is insulting to intelligent people. To actually suggest that people who take issue with aspects of DA2 is due to "Wow this is just too different and I cannot handle it," is an unbelieveble assesment, not to mention highly insulting to me!

Is it truly wise to not only alienate fans but to also insult some of them as well? He seems to forget that some of those people he is referring to as having the inability to handle change are the very same ones who have been buying Bioware games for the better part of a decade...like myself, and some longer than that.

They should have just called the game Dragon Age: Exodus if they didn't want people to compare it with Origins...a game they seem to be bashing to an extint, in order to play up DA2. The whole thing just proves that it's far easier to deny than it is to deal.  Spin can only get you so far....



Bad move Mike!

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 25 mars 2011 - 06:36 .

[fn_outlaw]

cljqnsnyc wrote...
They should have just called the game Dragon Age: Exodus if they didn't want people to compare it with Origins...a game they seem to be bashing to an extint, in order to play up DA2. The whole thing just proves that it's far easier to deny than it is to deal.  Spin can only get you so far....

Bad move Mike!

I totally agree.

It's like he's saying "you're incapable of understanding DA2's greatness".
Or "Ah, yes, DA2 sucks...the council has dismissed that claim."

Not only is it insulting to fans, it's insulting to their alleged 'Target Demographic'.

I've played COD for years, but I've always appreciated the change of pace that many of Bioware's IP's present.  I was shocked to discover that DA2 was targeted toward COD/mainstream/whatever players.  It's not that appealing.  Most of the people I know that play COD wouldn't touch a single player game in the first place.

[elikal71]

Apparently he hasn't head the crash yet.

As Mark Twain used say: Denial ain't a river in Egypt!

It's sad to see what has become of the once leading RPG maker Bioware. I guess later this year Bethesdas Skyrim will put Bioware to shame, showing us what a REAL role playing game is supposed to be looking!

[Frybread76]

Dutch105 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Use of language like simplified and not wanting to confuse people. Did you think enchanting was complex?

What he's saying is the only reason DA2 was even as complex as it was , is because it was only designed by the core team. He would have liked it to be even simpler.

That's rubbish and not what he's saying at all.

He's denying that they're appealling to  a much wider audience because if they had wanted to do that, they'dve stripped out absolutely everything in Origins.  He's using hyperbole to make his point that in fact this was the very opposite that he wanted to do.  The fact that they haven't got only had one character (i.e. just Male Warrior) with no companions and no customisation shows that.

Or of course, he may just be Satan himself, as many wish to make him out for, and therefore twist and misconstrue what he's saying.

Um, but DA2 was made to appeal to a wider audience.  Laidlaw is just saying they could have gone further to appeal to even more people dut didn't.

[Frybread76]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

The level of dismissiveness and condescension in that interview is insulting to intelligent people. To actually suggest that people who take issue with aspects of DA2 is due to "Wow this is just too different and I cannot handle it," is an unbelieveble assesment, not to mention highly insulting to me!

Is it truly wise to not only alienate fans but to also insult some of them as well? He seems to forget that some of those people he is referring to as having the inability to handle change are the very same ones who have been buying Bioware games for the better part of a decade...like myself, and some longer than that.

They should have just called the game Dragon Age: Exodus if they didn't want people to compare it with Origins...a game they seem to be bashing to an extint, in order to play up DA2. The whole thing just proves that it's far easier to deny than it is to deal.  Spin can only get you so far....



Bad move Mike!

But calling it Dragon Age: Exodus or Dragon Age: Kirkwall Chronicles would probably have resulted in less sales in the first week than calling it Dragon Age 2.

[ink07]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

The level of dismissiveness and condescension in that interview is insulting to intelligent people. To actually suggest that people who take issue with aspects of DA2 is due to "Wow this is just too different and I cannot handle it," is an unbelieveble assesment, not to mention highly insulting to me!

Bad move Mike!

I completely agree, you know who he reminds me of? Dennis Dyack. After Too Human came out he actually had the nerve to say this (and I'm quoting, not paraphrasing):

" What we’re also seeing is for the people who don’t like it, generally just don’t get it. And it’s because we’ve created something so innovative and different. It’s ironic, it just shows that human nature of if you don’t understand something, you immediately attack it. It’s pretty interesting in that regard."

And the nerve and dismissiveness Mike has is astounding:

It's something that resolves one of the parts I really disliked about
Origins where I'd see people's screenshots with their badass team and
they would kind of all look the same. Near the end of the game, everyone
had the same set of suits of armor.

Are you kidding me? So now "screenshots you saw and didn't like" are more important than "player freedom and fun?" You know how to solve this problem? Make more sets of armour, more loot, more distinct equipment, let people personalize it, change colors or something, make stats random, make enchanting more deep, etc.

I know he cannot go out and say publicly: "yeah, the reason equipment for your party is gone is because we want to sell you as many alt appearance packs as we possibly can" but seriously, you cannot go out and say that "party members looked almost the same for all people, so to fix that we now make them look exactly the same." Jesus Christ!

It's funny that what he basically is saying is that RPGs are too hardocre for massive audiences, so now that they have an established a franchise and a nice userbase they want to make them too accessible, like GTA or something (he mentions this game), so everyone can enjoy it. I don't have a problem if they want to make that game, seriously, you just don't frigging do it to the sequel to a game you announced as the spiritual successor to friggin Baldur's Gate, where you deny the foundations of what the game was built upon. You know what is awesome? Not pressing A and seeing pixels explode, for RPG fans is the customization, the long journey, teh expansive areas, not the neverending waves of enemies, but the variety of things that you can do in a game.


I know I've said it before, but seriously, I'm done with Dragon Age. Mike, you are so out of touch, it's upsetting.

Modifié par ink07, 25 mars 2011 - 03:44 .

[Baelyn]

ink07 wrote...
I know he cannot go out and say publicly: "yeah, the reason equipment for your party is gone is because we want to sell you as many alt appearance packs as we possibly can" but seriously, you cannot go out and say that "party members looked almost the same for all people, so to fix that we now make them look exactly the same." Jesus Christ!

Your comparison is invalid. His point was essentially in DA:O all of your companions looked the same. They wore generic armor sets that anyone in the party could wear. This gave them less of an identity and "unique-ness." So in Dragon Age 2 they decided to make Isabela be the only person that looked like Isabela. Giving her a unique outfit (while, yes still ridiculous looking in my opinion) that only she would be wearing. Although I think some more customization would have suited better (having several "unique" Isabela outfits that we could choose from instead of just adding rune slots for instance) they definitely accomplished the problem he was addressing. You are misunderstanding what he said. He said you party looks the same (wears the same stuff) as everyone else in your party, not that my party looks exactly like yours.

I know I've said it before, but seriously, I'm done with Dragon Age. Mike, you are so out of touch, it's upsetting.

You obviously are not if you are still posting in the "Dragon Age" forums. Not meant to be insulting, but if you are giving up on Dragon Age then its useless in posting here as this should be the place that fans of the game (I.E. people that still care about the franchise, regardless of like or dislike of Dragon Age 2) can come to discuss their views to either 

A) Present their views in a civil manner (negative or positive) to try to provide feedback that would make the future endeavors of the franchise better in their opinion

or

Have a fun place to talk about the game they all enjoy and love

Sadly, this forum lately has been populated with a bunch of other garbage that just degrades this community.

[Jitter]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Balerion84 wrote...
I could post a list of things that are wrong with DA2, but seeing as you already made up your mind about everyone who doesn't agree with you, I'm not going to waste any time. The criticisms are everywhere, including reviews, so you can read them yourself.

There are plenty of things wrong with the game. Bugs, broken quests, a poor job on the import system especially after Mass Effect 2 and lack of variety being the most obvious. Poor distribution of money in the game and a whole lot of useless items given to you late in the game.

However fans are not complaining about that so much. They are screaming betrayal of their precious old mechanics. So can I confirm do we want the shuffle back?

Trouble is if you give these people what they want, which is basically DAO with new levels you turn away the mainstream and the console audience. Is there not a balance that can be struck here? I Personally think DA2's combat is really good, depth and rebalancing can be done but they should keep the core combat. Screw people who try to say its hack and slash. And if they want to bring back illusion of depth to the crafting and other things you RPG geeks want then fine. But I'm sorry they aren't taking the dialog wheel away or the friend/rival system its the best thing to happen to dragon age.

What would the dialoge wheel symbol be for being on sale 33% off 2 weeks after release?
Would that be the Joking or Angry .... 

I wonder if they gave people what they wanted .. if that would have happened . 

Im always happy when i order a burger , and get a turd sandwich , with man sauce. 
Im sure you are right , getting what you dont want is the better business model . 

[ink07]

Baelyn wrote...

 You are misunderstanding what he said. He said you party looks the same (wears the same stuff) as everyone else in your party, not that my party looks exactly like yours.

The problem -if that if that is the case- its that is not even true. And if you feel that to be a problem there are ways to solve it like aleatory stats, color customization, a deep enchantment systems, more specific armor sets, etc. Have you ever played an RPG? The number of equipment you can have is not infiinte, if you dont want everybody to wear the same armor dont make one set of armor better than all the others. Taking away any and all customization options is not a good solution. Is that feedback enough for you?

You obviously are not if you are still posting in the "Dragon Age" forums. Not meant to be insulting, but if you are giving up on Dragon Age then its useless in posting here as this should be the place that fans of the game (I.E. people that still care about the franchise, regardless of like or dislike of Dragon Age 2) can come to discuss their views to either

A) Present their views in a civil manner (negative or positive) to try to provide feedback that would make the future endeavors of the franchise better in their opinion
or
Have a fun place to talk about the game they all enjoy and love
Sadly, this forum lately has been populated with a bunch of other garbage that just degrades this community.

Yes, only those two options? I love the backseat modding in this place. I'm having fun talking to like minded people about a game I don't enjoy and love, I don't think I have been uncivil, I haven't insulted anyone and have provided feedback. OK sure, if you'd like to think I'm not done with the game, more power to you, I don't think that negates me the possibity of expressing my opinion on this and other forums of my choice about the things I don't like. It seems to me that the one done with this forum is you, if you find it so garbage like and degrading, I hope I'm not keeping you here.

I know that you "care" because you are the bestest fan Bioware can have, good for you. I don't.

Modifié par ink07, 25 mars 2011 - 06:11 .

[Baelyn]

ink07 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

 You are misunderstanding what he said. He said you party looks the same (wears the same stuff) as everyone else in your party, not that my party looks exactly like yours.

The problem -if that if that is the case- its that is not even true. And if you feel that to be a problem there are ways to solve it like aleatory stats, color customization, a deep enchantment systems, more specific armor sets, etc. Have you ever played an RPG? The number of equipment you can have is not infiinte, if you dont want everybody to wear the same armor dont make one set of armor better than all the others. Taking away any and all customization options is not a good solution. Is that feedback enough for you?

You obviously are not if you are still posting in the "Dragon Age" forums. Not meant to be insulting, but if you are giving up on Dragon Age then its useless in posting here as this should be the place that fans of the game (I.E. people that still care about the franchise, regardless of like or dislike of Dragon Age 2) can come to discuss their views to either

A) Present their views in a civil manner (negative or positive) to try to provide feedback that would make the future endeavors of the franchise better in their opinion
or
Have a fun place to talk about the game they all enjoy and love
Sadly, this forum lately has been populated with a bunch of other garbage that just degrades this community.

Yes, only those two options? I love the backseat modding in this place. I'm having fun talking to like minded people about a game I don't enjoy and love, I don't think I have been uncivil, I haven't insulted anyone and have provided feedback. OK sure, if you'd like to think I'm not done with the game, more power to you, I don't think that negates me the possibity of expressing my opinion on this and other forums of my choice about the things I don't like. It seems to me that the one done with this forum is you, if you find it so garbage like and degrading, I hope I'm not keeping you here.

I know that you "care" because you are the bestest fan Bioware can have, good for you. I don't.

First of all I do believe its true (regarding your first point.) They succeeded in making you party all unqiue. Whether you agree with the implementation or not, you cannot say that in Dragon Age 2 all of your companions look the same (wearing the exact same things.)

And you are missing my point. I in no way said you fit the description of "posting garbage insulting etc" (Because from what I have seen of your posts you aren't) but you cannot deny that it isn't done here (on both sides of the fence mind you...the "fanboys" and the "haters")

Yes I believe those are the only two options for THIS forum (the Dragon Age II General Discussion.) Alot can be summed into those two options. If you are here you either don't like the game, are meh, or you like it; all with varying degrees of course. If you don't like it, thats obviously fine but if you are posting here, it should be either talking about the game in general without negativity, or posting negative constructive feedback in a civil manner. If not then what fits here is why you liked the game, what you would like to see, speculations etc or, again, just general discussion.

You like modding, thats great, as do I. But this isn't the modding forum. I am by no means saying you have no RIGHT to be here. Just that its pointless for you to be in Dragon Age 2 General Discussion when you say you are "done" with Dragon Age as it is pointless for most of the "bashing" posters that continously post "Dragon Age 2 Sucks, Bioware sucks, I hate this game, Don't buy this game, Game is only for console ADD mouth breathers, etc."

And I never said I was the "bestest" fan Bioware has. But thanks. Glad you needed to tell me that you don't care as well.

Edit* Also by definiton you are not "done" with the game if you continue to come on forums and read/post about it. Hence making that just a melodramatic response as all the other people on here that say "Thats it I'm done with this," but then continue to come here and "validate" their opinion by reading other people say the same.

Modifié par Baelyn, 25 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[ink07]

Ok, sure I get it. I was being facetious and I realize I came off as a bit of a jerk to you, and I apologize.

That said, I don't find it pointless as you say. But to be more specific, when I say I'm done, is I'm done buying Dragon Age. I'm not buying DLC, I'm not expecting it to be "patched", corrected or improved. I'm not waitng for a toolset, I'm not expecting Dragon Age 3 (I still await Mass Effect for whatever reason) or going to give any more of my dollars towards it.

I'm not done being offended by it and melodramaitc (I know I am) I'm not done attacking it's dumb design decisions and I'm not done reading and commenting with other forum posters how bad this game is and how good other games are in comparison. If that doesn't suit you or it seems contradictory or whatever other complaint you may have I can't do anything about it and I'm sorry if you feel I (or other like me) ruin the forums ( I try not to) but I feel Bioware ruined a perfectly good franchise as well and they should be told as many times as I can spare.

Clear enough?

Modifié par ink07, 25 mars 2011 - 07:25 .

[Baelyn]

ink07 wrote...

Ok, sure I get it. I was being facetious and I realize I came off as a bit of a jerk to you, and I apologize.

That said, I don't find it pointless as you say. But to be more specific, when I say I'm done, is I'm done buying Dragon Age. I'm not buying DLC, I'm not expecting it to be "patched", corrected or improved. I'm not waitng for a toolset, I'm not expecting Dragon Age 3 (I still await Mass Effect for whatever reason) or going to give any more of my dollars towards it.

I'm not done being offended by it and melodramaitc (I know I am) I'm not done attacking it's dumb design decisions and I'm not done reading and commenting with other forum posters how bad this game is and how good other games are in comparison. If that doesn't suit you or it seems contradictory or whatever other complaint you may have I can't do anything about it and I'm sorry if you feel I (or other like me) ruin the forums ( I try not to) but I feel Bioware ruined a perfectly good franchise as well and they should be told as many times as I can spare.

Clear enough?

Yes. Thank you.

And for clarity, I don't think you or people that dislike the game ruin the forums. Do I think there are people who have no business posting here that only spout trolling posts and hate for said game's OFFICIAL forum? Most definitely.

[fn_outlaw]

ink07 wrote...
That said, I don't find it pointless as you say. But to be more specific, when I say I'm done, is I'm done buying Dragon Age. I'm not buying DLC, I'm not expecting it to be "patched", corrected or improved. I'm not waitng for a toolset, I'm not expecting Dragon Age 3 (I still await Mass Effect for whatever reason) or going to give any more of my dollars towards it.

One can only hope for a toolset.

Not holding my breath, but the modding community can certainly fix what's been broken here with the proper tools.  Hell, if they patched the Origins toolset to work with DA2 I'd be happy.  IMO, what's broken in DA2 would probably be fixed in a week or two if they opened it up to the modders. (there'd probably be some slight issues) but if they allowed the toolset, these forums would swell with mod posts instead of being flooded with hatred.

[Persephone]

fn_outlaw wrote...

ink07 wrote...
That said, I don't find it pointless as you say. But to be more specific, when I say I'm done, is I'm done buying Dragon Age. I'm not buying DLC, I'm not expecting it to be "patched", corrected or improved. I'm not waitng for a toolset, I'm not expecting Dragon Age 3 (I still await Mass Effect for whatever reason) or going to give any more of my dollars towards it.

One can only hope for a toolset.

Not holding my breath, but the modding community can certainly fix what's been broken here with the proper tools.  Hell, if they patched the Origins toolset to work with DA2 I'd be happy.  IMO, what's broken in DA2 would probably be fixed in a week or two if they opened it up to the modders. (there'd probably be some slight issues) but if they allowed the toolset, these forums would swell with mod posts instead of being flooded with hatred.

Haven't I read somewhere that the Modders are already working on upgrading the toolset? I hope Bioware will release one but I would not blame them if they did not. Not after what has occurred here.