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[Laj I]

Makes you wonder what it will be like when Mike Laidlaw reaches the Bargaining stage

Modifié par Laj I, 25 mars 2011 - 10:31 .

[MonkeyLungs]

Persephone wrote...

fn_outlaw wrote...

ink07 wrote...
That said, I don't find it pointless as you say. But to be more specific, when I say I'm done, is I'm done buying Dragon Age. I'm not buying DLC, I'm not expecting it to be "patched", corrected or improved. I'm not waitng for a toolset, I'm not expecting Dragon Age 3 (I still await Mass Effect for whatever reason) or going to give any more of my dollars towards it.

One can only hope for a toolset.

Not holding my breath, but the modding community can certainly fix what's been broken here with the proper tools.  Hell, if they patched the Origins toolset to work with DA2 I'd be happy.  IMO, what's broken in DA2 would probably be fixed in a week or two if they opened it up to the modders. (there'd probably be some slight issues) but if they allowed the toolset, these forums would swell with mod posts instead of being flooded with hatred.

Haven't I read somewhere that the Modders are already working on upgrading the toolset? I hope Bioware will release one but I would not blame them if they did not. Not after what has occurred here.

So because some people are rude all of the other people who aren't don't deserve a toolset? Bioware's going to take their ball and go home and play by themselves? Plenty of the critics here are polite and avoid insults. Who gets offended by people who can't even put together a thoughtful criticism anyway?

[Savber100]

In response to Laidlaw's comment on companion armor.

This --->

Modifié par Savber100, 25 mars 2011 - 10:43 .

[Persephone]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

Persephone wrote...

fn_outlaw wrote...

ink07 wrote...
That said, I don't find it pointless as you say. But to be more specific, when I say I'm done, is I'm done buying Dragon Age. I'm not buying DLC, I'm not expecting it to be "patched", corrected or improved. I'm not waitng for a toolset, I'm not expecting Dragon Age 3 (I still await Mass Effect for whatever reason) or going to give any more of my dollars towards it.

One can only hope for a toolset.

Not holding my breath, but the modding community can certainly fix what's been broken here with the proper tools.  Hell, if they patched the Origins toolset to work with DA2 I'd be happy.  IMO, what's broken in DA2 would probably be fixed in a week or two if they opened it up to the modders. (there'd probably be some slight issues) but if they allowed the toolset, these forums would swell with mod posts instead of being flooded with hatred.

Haven't I read somewhere that the Modders are already working on upgrading the toolset? I hope Bioware will release one but I would not blame them if they did not. Not after what has occurred here.

So because some people are rude all of the other people who aren't don't deserve a toolset? Bioware's going to take their ball and go home and play by themselves? Plenty of the critics here are polite and avoid insults. Who gets offended by people who can't even put together a thoughtful criticism anyway?

Good point, you are right. I doubt Bioware would be that petty. I really hope we'll get a toolset. Mods were one of the main reasons why I played DAO again and again and again.

[Persephone]

Savber100 wrote...

In response to Laidlaw's comment on companion armor.

This --->

This is made of AWESOME!!!!:lol::lol:

[didymos1120]

Persephone wrote...


Haven't I read somewhere that the Modders are already working on upgrading the toolset?

We can't really do much of anything bug-wise without the scripts in source form, even if people do manage to get some resources like items working.  Not very productively, anyway. The vast majority of modder-fixable bugs will be in the scripts, with dialogues probably being second in line due to all the plot flag setting they do.  It also makes things a hell of a lot simpler if you have access to all the plot tables as well, because often you can fix something by adding a new flag and in turn add extra checking using the new flag to any relevant scripts.

And the fact is, we just plain need a full copy of the database used for DA2 if there's to be anything other than painstaking, glacial progress, and we need a version of the toolset that comprehends all the changes they've introduced (that basically means Bioware releases one, or nothing. It's not like we're gonna get a hold of the source code for it).  Without either, trying to fix bugs will require a lot of tedious reverse-engineering work, and it'll all have to be done without all that nice cross-referencing the database has (i.e. things like how many scripts are including plot table X or header file Y, etc.).  And just forget about people reconstructing the DA2 database manually.  Not gonna happen.

[Hates_Liberals]

It makes me rage so hard when I hear Laidlaw say that games have to be dumbed down and stupified in order to be marketable to a larger audience. **** Laidlaw and his fat neckbearded man bewbs.

[Eterna]

I've seen plenty of people who like Dragon age 2 and didn't like Origins, whats the problem?

[TheKnave69]

Persephone wrote...

MonkeyLungs wrote...

Persephone wrote...

fn_outlaw wrote...

ink07 wrote...
That said, I don't find it pointless as you say. But to be more specific, when I say I'm done, is I'm done buying Dragon Age. I'm not buying DLC, I'm not expecting it to be "patched", corrected or improved. I'm not waitng for a toolset, I'm not expecting Dragon Age 3 (I still await Mass Effect for whatever reason) or going to give any more of my dollars towards it.

One can only hope for a toolset.

Not holding my breath, but the modding community can certainly fix what's been broken here with the proper tools.  Hell, if they patched the Origins toolset to work with DA2 I'd be happy.  IMO, what's broken in DA2 would probably be fixed in a week or two if they opened it up to the modders. (there'd probably be some slight issues) but if they allowed the toolset, these forums would swell with mod posts instead of being flooded with hatred.

Haven't I read somewhere that the Modders are already working on upgrading the toolset? I hope Bioware will release one but I would not blame them if they did not. Not after what has occurred here.

So because some people are rude all of the other people who aren't don't deserve a toolset? Bioware's going to take their ball and go home and play by themselves? Plenty of the critics here are polite and avoid insults. Who gets offended by people who can't even put together a thoughtful criticism anyway?

Good point, you are right. I doubt Bioware would be that petty. I really hope we'll get a toolset. Mods were one of the main reasons why I played DAO again and again and again.

I think one of the reasons we won't see a toolset anytime in the near future is that free mods compete with permium DLC.  There may be a toolset released in 9-12 months or so, when sales cool a bit.

[Perles75]

EccentricSage wrote...

I don't think he's Satan. I think he's being an ass using hyperbole and dumping on origins when that is exactly what he and the devs complain about fans doing in regards to 2. No surprise that things just keep getting more heated and confrontational between the two sides. There shouldn't even BE any taking of sides. There should just be thoughtful analysis of what 2 did wrong or right, with some of the more constructive criticism taken into account. It's not that hard to differentiate between trolls and nerd rage, vs. constructive criticism and honest dissatisfaction. It's not that difficult to ignore the former and address only the later.

I tend to agree with this... I understand the frustration of the developers that have to face a huge amount of excessive criticism (if not utter hate), but that kind of interview is definitely not the solution.

And I'm between those who see very well the flaws of DAO

[Beovuk]

Savber100 wrote...

Lol.. good one. I haven't checked their series in awhile, thx (:

[Kileyan]

TheKnave69 wrote...

I think one of the reasons we won't see a toolset anytime in the near future is that free mods compete with permium DLC.  There may be a toolset released in 9-12 months or so, when sales cool a bit.

Dev's have said many times that while what you said seems like a reasonable thing, it really is the opposite. Their marketing research shows that the longer a game is actually played, the more likely a person is to still be invested in their character and their story, and buy a new DLC. People tend to play longer with a toolset adding new reasons to click the executable, even if just to check out a new nudie mod.

Even if a game isn't uninstalled, if someone hasn't played it for 5 months, they are less likely to give a crap about taking the time to get out the credit card or whatever, and download a couple hour DLC, or even know the DLC is out, for that matter.

Anyways, I am not holding my breath for a toolset, they never did update it for Awakening, and likely the only reason we got one for DA:O, was that the game was in limbo for nearly a year while they were doing the console ports, and it gave some programmers something to do vs being laid off.

Modifié par Kileyan, 26 mars 2011 - 07:33 .

[philbo1965uk]

I've certainly seen a fair amount of feedback that says, "I couldn't play Origins, I thought it was too slow, the story was too plodding, too typical, and Dragon Age II is awesome by comparison!"

At least the guy has a sense of humour...

To be fair Mr Laidlaw it's a little late in the day to pacify your employer with tall tales...perhaps next time it would be more plausible to blame the economy.

I think EA are a little more business savvy to buy into  Mr laidlaw's lame excuses.

What he is really saying is the target audience (casual gamer) didn't materialize as imagined (could it be the game was rubbish Sir) and the disenfranchised RPG fanbase made their feelings known quite strongly.

I said months ago to Epler & Woo that this game will go down in infamy as the worst title of 2011...that the direction taken was wrong ie you don't garner a huge interest in the genre from people with no interest in the genre (common sense) ....even I didn't expect such a halfarsed compilation that screamed "we only have a short story ...so lets fill in the remaining 3/4 of the game with useless gold farming side quests"

DA2 is a travesty of a game....

[JerryRogers]

[SalsaDMA]

JerryRogers wrote...

I couldn't even recognize who it was supposed to be untill I read the subtitle...

What a travesty...

[Persephone]

didymos1120 wrote...

Persephone wrote...


Haven't I read somewhere that the Modders are already working on upgrading the toolset?

We can't really do much of anything bug-wise without the scripts in source form, even if people do manage to get some resources like items working.  Not very productively, anyway. The vast majority of modder-fixable bugs will be in the scripts, with dialogues probably being second in line due to all the plot flag setting they do.  It also makes things a hell of a lot simpler if you have access to all the plot tables as well, because often you can fix something by adding a new flag and in turn add extra checking using the new flag to any relevant scripts.

And the fact is, we just plain need a full copy of the database used for DA2 if there's to be anything other than painstaking, glacial progress, and we need a version of the toolset that comprehends all the changes they've introduced (that basically means Bioware releases one, or nothing. It's not like we're gonna get a hold of the source code for it).  Without either, trying to fix bugs will require a lot of tedious reverse-engineering work, and it'll all have to be done without all that nice cross-referencing the database has (i.e. things like how many scripts are including plot table X or header file Y, etc.).  And just forget about people reconstructing the DA2 database manually.  Not gonna happen.

Ah, I see. I'm not a modder myself, so I know little to nothing about that. Thanks for the in depth explanation. I hope we'll get a toolset. Sure did wonders for DAO.

[What?]

Jesus, his denial is adamantine. A frickin' bulwark made of tungsten carbide. It's almost like he's trying to just convince himself at this point. I liked the game quite a bit, but seriously, Laidlaw, here's a reality check: it's not as good as you keep saying it is.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 26 mars 2011 - 10:09 .

[Persephone]

VictorianTrash wrote...

Jesus, his denial is adamantine. A frickin' bulwark made of tungsten carbide. It's almost like he's trying to just convince himself at this point. I liked the game quite a bit, but seriously, Laidlaw, here's a reality check: it's not as good as you keep saying it is.

Well, it's his opinion and of course PR talk. He did say they were looking into feedback and will take it into account. What more do people want?

[Glorfindel709]

I would like to see a Bioware employee admit to the massive fan backlash without using the words "Angry that they're not being catered to" or "Of course when you evolve a game, a small group of people aren't going to like the changes."


Quote:
"I think we would have seen just as much negativity if we just, as I
used to joke, stapled two Archdemons together and called it a super
blight."

Has he been reading the speculation threads about what the Wardens are so concerned with?

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 26 mars 2011 - 10:22 .

[fn_outlaw]

Persephone wrote...

Ah, I see. I'm not a modder myself, so I know little to nothing about that. Thanks for the in depth explanation. I hope we'll get a toolset. Sure did wonders for DAO.

Personally, I feel that the toolset would do wonders for this game.  Sales haven't been that great (price drop, already) and if they just gave modders the key to fixing this pile of..."awesomeness" [see what I did there?] sales might actually improve...because an 'isolated' group thinks this game could have been better.

The hiccup here, is that they used an updated engine (according to wikipedia the "Lycium Engine").  Origins used the Eclipse engine.  And that's the problem with using the original toolset.  They're different engines using different technology.  Granted, they're both based on the Aurora Engine, but you can't use the NWN toolset on Origins.  I imagine that's a similar limitation here.  The amount of effort they would have to give to update the origins toolset (if they didn't break it)would probably be somewhat equivalent to creating a new set of tools.

[fn_outlaw]

JerryRogers wrote...

Sorry for double post, but this is just...great.

[this isnt my name]

Eterna5 wrote...

I've seen plenty of people who like Dragon age 2 and didn't like Origins, whats the problem?

Simple the only reason there is a DA2 is becuase of origins, and there is only origins becuase of BG, so they are basically selling out their fanbase for new fans.

[augustburnt]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

I'm so sick to death of the whining about DA2.

The rehashing of too many dungeons is understandable. The game could have took place in Kirkwall still been spread accross 2 discs and had more dungeon enviroments to add variety.

But everything else is just blatant whining. So crafting has been dumbed down. Cry me a river... everything in the game has been streamlined to be more fun and the story breaks the mold of a traditional RPG storyline which also made people mad. You can't win. Bioware needs to ignore this minority and focus on the people who will make money... the mainstream the people who really enjoyed Dragon Age 2 more than Origins.

Wahhh Wahhh Wahhh it's not a carbon copy of Baldurs gate. Do you know how childish many people sound? It was exactly like this with Mass Effect 2. I'm tired of people trying to dictate what the terms of an RPG are. Go make your own RPG and get people to buy it. With Mass Effect 2 it was an inventory system. With Dragon Age 2 apparantly an Inventory system isn't enough so its the lack of dated clunky mechanics.

The game is just as tactical as DAO if not more. If casual gamers want to set it to easy mode / normal mode and hack and slash they can. But try hacking and slashing on hard mode.

If you are going to debate, please dont act like your a 2 y/o. But I will help you understand why we hate DA2, because some people (like you) just dont get it the first 2000000000000000000000000000. DA2 has a story line relateable to a 1st grade popup book. The game litteraly feel like a chore. Shallow NPCs with almost no personality. I could go on but I want to finish laughing at how you said this game was tactical. Im currently trying to find the video of the rogue blowing Meredith up on nightmare. This game is easyt mode and boring.

[Sapphira]

delikanli wrote...

mike laidlaw is "winning"

made me nearly spit out my OJ

[Sapphira]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

I'm sure whenever Mike Laidlaw uses a coffee machine he says "WOW thats awesome!"

also this lmfao