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[augustburnt]

Baelyn wrote...

ink07 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

 You are misunderstanding what he said. He said you party looks the same (wears the same stuff) as everyone else in your party, not that my party looks exactly like yours.

The problem -if that if that is the case- its that is not even true. And if you feel that to be a problem there are ways to solve it like aleatory stats, color customization, a deep enchantment systems, more specific armor sets, etc. Have you ever played an RPG? The number of equipment you can have is not infiinte, if you dont want everybody to wear the same armor dont make one set of armor better than all the others. Taking away any and all customization options is not a good solution. Is that feedback enough for you?

You obviously are not if you are still posting in the "Dragon Age" forums. Not meant to be insulting, but if you are giving up on Dragon Age then its useless in posting here as this should be the place that fans of the game (I.E. people that still care about the franchise, regardless of like or dislike of Dragon Age 2) can come to discuss their views to either

A) Present their views in a civil manner (negative or positive) to try to provide feedback that would make the future endeavors of the franchise better in their opinion
or
Have a fun place to talk about the game they all enjoy and love
Sadly, this forum lately has been populated with a bunch of other garbage that just degrades this community.

Yes, only those two options? I love the backseat modding in this place. I'm having fun talking to like minded people about a game I don't enjoy and love, I don't think I have been uncivil, I haven't insulted anyone and have provided feedback. OK sure, if you'd like to think I'm not done with the game, more power to you, I don't think that negates me the possibity of expressing my opinion on this and other forums of my choice about the things I don't like. It seems to me that the one done with this forum is you, if you find it so garbage like and degrading, I hope I'm not keeping you here.

I know that you "care" because you are the bestest fan Bioware can have, good for you. I don't.

First of all I do believe its true (regarding your first point.) They succeeded in making you party all unqiue. Whether you agree with the implementation or not, you cannot say that in Dragon Age 2 all of your companions look the same (wearing the exact same things.)

And you are missing my point. I in no way said you fit the description of "posting garbage insulting etc" (Because from what I have seen of your posts you aren't) but you cannot deny that it isn't done here (on both sides of the fence mind you...the "fanboys" and the "haters")

Yes I believe those are the only two options for THIS forum (the Dragon Age II General Discussion.) Alot can be summed into those two options. If you are here you either don't like the game, are meh, or you like it; all with varying degrees of course. If you don't like it, thats obviously fine but if you are posting here, it should be either talking about the game in general without negativity, or posting negative constructive feedback in a civil manner. If not then what fits here is why you liked the game, what you would like to see, speculations etc or, again, just general discussion.

You like modding, thats great, as do I. But this isn't the modding forum. I am by no means saying you have no RIGHT to be here. Just that its pointless for you to be in Dragon Age 2 General Discussion when you say you are "done" with Dragon Age as it is pointless for most of the "bashing" posters that continously post "Dragon Age 2 Sucks, Bioware sucks, I hate this game, Don't buy this game, Game is only for console ADD mouth breathers, etc."

And I never said I was the "bestest" fan Bioware has. But thanks. Glad you needed to tell me that you don't care as well.

Edit* Also by definiton you are not "done" with the game if you continue to come on forums and read/post about it. Hence making that just a melodramatic response as all the other people on here that say "Thats it I'm done with this," but then continue to come here and "validate" their opinion by reading other people say the same.

I read to the point where you started talking about how they wanted to make the charecters unique, and started laughing... really hard. The charecters are already unique as they are the shallowest NPCs in Bioware history.

[d friendly]

Eterna5 wrote...

I've seen plenty of people who like Dragon age 2 and didn't like Origins, whats the problem?

Easy the point of a sequel (and franchises at large) is to pump a reliable audience for money by producing a reliable product, large sweeping changes in gameplay, as seen in DA2, make it unreliable in the eyes of the reliable audience. DA2 assumes that DA:O fans are mostly a subset of ME fans. Nevermind that you can be a fan of both for entirely different reasons.

[abaris]

d friendly wrote...

DA2 assumes that DA:O fans are mostly a subset of ME fans. Nevermind that you can be a fan of both for entirely different reasons.

This. I very much liked the ME series, but I don't want to see toonish combat in any fantasy game. And besides, I had the feeling that even the roleplaying element was more prominent in the ME series. Or the companion complexity for that matter.

Modifié par abaris, 26 mars 2011 - 05:23 .

[LemuresXL]

Abraxas11 wrote...

I've certainly seen a fair amount of feedback that says, "I couldn't play Origins, I thought it was too slow, the story was too plodding, too typical, and Dragon Age II is awesome by comparison!"

I forgot the kubler-ross model...what comes after denial?

Edit: Sorry, didn't link www.eurogamer.net/articles/biowares-mike-laidlaw-a-defence-of-dragon-age-ii-interview

Wow, what a Jerk that guy must be.  Bioware, don't think like that ****.  Your customers have had high regard for you because of performance.  You keep dishing out crap like this, and Bioware won't be a big name soon enough.  You are the only people that make games like this.  Pick yourselves up, do everyone a favor, including your fans and yourselves, Admit that you bs'd everyone on this.  And keep this Mike clown away from talking to the the press or the public...

[Woodstock-TC]

i wonder if he would also turn Dubstep pieces into Techno if he would be a musician.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LemuresXL wrote...
Wow, what a Jerk that guy must be.  Bioware, don't think like that ****.  Your customers have had high regard for you because of performance.  You keep dishing out crap like this, and Bioware won't be a big name soon enough.  You are the only people that make games like this.  Pick yourselves up, do everyone a favor, including your fans and yourselves, Admit that you bs'd everyone on this.  And keep this Mike clown away from talking to the the press or the public...

www.drakensang.com/

[Baelyn]

Ashr4m wrote...

What i dont get about modding:

Why do people here think that people will mod for Dragon Age 2?

1) The fanbase is not that big, many people dont even like it/havent bought it why would they mod for it?
2) There are no toolsets, and there is a game DAO that people like more that offers a toolset and game mechanics many prefer, so why even switch to DA2
3) Dragon Age was bad for modding from the start, implementing of new areas was hard and a lot of work not to mention that the toolset wasnt that user-friendly in the first place (not like in Oblivions)
4) Modders make unique content they like for a game they like, if they dont like the core mechanics why would they buy the new game in the first place?
5) When modders make mods that really affect gameplay its not something that can be done fast, most likely there will be lots of bugs so why would modders use so much effort just to make a game they dont like into a game they may enjoy?

Not to mention, the new "core" crowd are obviously console-gamers and guess what, they won't mod ...

You, sir, are either ignorant or in denile. *Points to the modding section of the forums* *Points to the Dragon Age 2 section of DragonAgeNexus*

There are actually alot of mods already out and a bunch of very intelligent people that have done some crazy stuff already without a toolset.

[Baelyn]

augustburnt wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

ink07 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

 You are misunderstanding what he said. He said you party looks the same (wears the same stuff) as everyone else in your party, not that my party looks exactly like yours.

The problem -if that if that is the case- its that is not even true. And if you feel that to be a problem there are ways to solve it like aleatory stats, color customization, a deep enchantment systems, more specific armor sets, etc. Have you ever played an RPG? The number of equipment you can have is not infiinte, if you dont want everybody to wear the same armor dont make one set of armor better than all the others. Taking away any and all customization options is not a good solution. Is that feedback enough for you?

You obviously are not if you are still posting in the "Dragon Age" forums. Not meant to be insulting, but if you are giving up on Dragon Age then its useless in posting here as this should be the place that fans of the game (I.E. people that still care about the franchise, regardless of like or dislike of Dragon Age 2) can come to discuss their views to either

A) Present their views in a civil manner (negative or positive) to try to provide feedback that would make the future endeavors of the franchise better in their opinion
or
Have a fun place to talk about the game they all enjoy and love
Sadly, this forum lately has been populated with a bunch of other garbage that just degrades this community.

Yes, only those two options? I love the backseat modding in this place. I'm having fun talking to like minded people about a game I don't enjoy and love, I don't think I have been uncivil, I haven't insulted anyone and have provided feedback. OK sure, if you'd like to think I'm not done with the game, more power to you, I don't think that negates me the possibity of expressing my opinion on this and other forums of my choice about the things I don't like. It seems to me that the one done with this forum is you, if you find it so garbage like and degrading, I hope I'm not keeping you here.

I know that you "care" because you are the bestest fan Bioware can have, good for you. I don't.

First of all I do believe its true (regarding your first point.) They succeeded in making you party all unqiue. Whether you agree with the implementation or not, you cannot say that in Dragon Age 2 all of your companions look the same (wearing the exact same things.)

And you are missing my point. I in no way said you fit the description of "posting garbage insulting etc" (Because from what I have seen of your posts you aren't) but you cannot deny that it isn't done here (on both sides of the fence mind you...the "fanboys" and the "haters")

Yes I believe those are the only two options for THIS forum (the Dragon Age II General Discussion.) Alot can be summed into those two options. If you are here you either don't like the game, are meh, or you like it; all with varying degrees of course. If you don't like it, thats obviously fine but if you are posting here, it should be either talking about the game in general without negativity, or posting negative constructive feedback in a civil manner. If not then what fits here is why you liked the game, what you would like to see, speculations etc or, again, just general discussion.

You like modding, thats great, as do I. But this isn't the modding forum. I am by no means saying you have no RIGHT to be here. Just that its pointless for you to be in Dragon Age 2 General Discussion when you say you are "done" with Dragon Age as it is pointless for most of the "bashing" posters that continously post "Dragon Age 2 Sucks, Bioware sucks, I hate this game, Don't buy this game, Game is only for console ADD mouth breathers, etc."

And I never said I was the "bestest" fan Bioware has. But thanks. Glad you needed to tell me that you don't care as well.

Edit* Also by definiton you are not "done" with the game if you continue to come on forums and read/post about it. Hence making that just a melodramatic response as all the other people on here that say "Thats it I'm done with this," but then continue to come here and "validate" their opinion by reading other people say the same.

I read to the point where you started talking about how they wanted to make the charecters unique, and started laughing... really hard. The charecters are already unique as they are the shallowest NPCs in Bioware history.

Its hard to take seriously someone who quotes someone else and start their argument "Yo I didn't even read all this but you are wrong (paraphrase)."

You really want to argue that the companions in DA2 are less unique visually than they are in DA:O?

Also I would like to hear your proof that they are "the shallowest NPC's in Bioware history."

[abaris]

Baelyn wrote...


You, sir, are either ignorant or in denile. *Points to the modding section of the forums* *Points to the Dragon Age 2 section of DragonAgeNexus*

There are actually alot of mods already out and a bunch of very intelligent people that have done some crazy stuff already without a toolset.

Armor, hair and face, savegames. That's about all and that's about all there will be - at least as long as there's no toolset. But they probably can't change the game mechanics under any circumstances. The repetitive caves, the animations, the fighting, exploding corpses.

Armor, hair and face are but the basics of modding. Cudos to those doing it, but it doesn't say anything about general modding.

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

"Mike Laidlaw:
Dragon Age II was designed by just the senior, core team.
Honestly I don't feel it's a game that's been designed to appeal far and
wide and so on. If it were, there were choices we could have made that
would have taken it much, much further. We would have probably
simplified down to a single character, maybe with companions; probably
looked at doing some even deeper changes to inventory management, making
sure that... You wouldn't want to confuse people with enchanting or
anything complex like that. Really what we wanted to do with the game,
just talking about first-principles, was to look at elements of Origins
that were over complex and needlessly so and see if we could pull those
out in a clean way and didn't take out what I always saw as core
elements of the experience: strong, character-driven stories, and the
idea that the combat should be a party working together, especially at
higher difficulty levels."

And it all resumes to this... lets dumb down the game here and there and see if the fools buy it, heck lets not add companion armors too so we can make more money with dlc armor packs... sigh what a disgrace....<_<

[Chuvvy]

Living in a personal reality must be awesome.

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

Bioware should quit making rpgs, they want to release games as fast as they can so they should focus on sports games from now on, or try and make a game to compete with the top sellers, hey i have an idea for a title Bioware, Battlefield of Duty.. hows that?

Modifié par MoonChildTheUnholy, 26 mars 2011 - 07:38 .

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

Double....

Modifié par MoonChildTheUnholy, 26 mars 2011 - 07:38 .

[Baelyn]

abaris wrote...

Baelyn wrote...


You, sir, are either ignorant or in denile. *Points to the modding section of the forums* *Points to the Dragon Age 2 section of DragonAgeNexus*

There are actually alot of mods already out and a bunch of very intelligent people that have done some crazy stuff already without a toolset.

Armor, hair and face, savegames. That's about all and that's about all there will be - at least as long as there's no toolset. But they probably can't change the game mechanics under any circumstances. The repetitive caves, the animations, the fighting, exploding corpses.

Armor, hair and face are but the basics of modding. Cudos to those doing it, but it doesn't say anything about general modding.

Actually no, you are incorrect. There are mods that affect gameplay. A mod that makes healing more like Origins, a mod that removes the exploding corpses, a mod that fixes certain bugs like Isabela's glitch etc.

So yes I would say that it says something about general modding. No they haven't gotten to fixing animations or reused environments, but those obviously take much more time. I think the instant modding community response to DA2 is quite large actually.

[Baelyn]

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

"Mike Laidlaw:
Dragon Age II was designed by just the senior, core team.
Honestly I don't feel it's a game that's been designed to appeal far and
wide and so on. If it were, there were choices we could have made that
would have taken it much, much further. We would have probably
simplified down to a single character, maybe with companions; probably
looked at doing some even deeper changes to inventory management, making
sure that... You wouldn't want to confuse people with enchanting or
anything complex like that. Really what we wanted to do with the game,
just talking about first-principles, was to look at elements of Origins
that were over complex and needlessly so and see if we could pull those
out in a clean way and didn't take out what I always saw as core
elements of the experience: strong, character-driven stories, and the
idea that the combat should be a party working together, especially at
higher difficulty levels."

And it all resumes to this... lets dumb down the game here and there and see if the fools buy it, heck lets not add companion armors too so we can make more money with dlc armor packs... sigh what a disgrace....<_<

The blatant misues of this particular quote is really starting to get under my skin.

This quote proves EXACTLY opposite of what you are saying. He said that they are NOT doing this, hence "Honestly I don't feel its a game designed to appeal far and wide..." and "IF IT WERE, there were choices we could have made to take it much, much further." What part of this don't you understand? He is saying IF they had wanted to "dumb down" the game, you wouldn't have seen alot of the things you do see in DA2.

Again, a case of people wanting to have someone to crucify for this TRAVESTY and ABOMINATION that is a video game.

[Persephone]

Baelyn wrote...

abaris wrote...

Baelyn wrote...


You, sir, are either ignorant or in denile. *Points to the modding section of the forums* *Points to the Dragon Age 2 section of DragonAgeNexus*

There are actually alot of mods already out and a bunch of very intelligent people that have done some crazy stuff already without a toolset.

Armor, hair and face, savegames. That's about all and that's about all there will be - at least as long as there's no toolset. But they probably can't change the game mechanics under any circumstances. The repetitive caves, the animations, the fighting, exploding corpses.

Armor, hair and face are but the basics of modding. Cudos to those doing it, but it doesn't say anything about general modding.

Actually no, you are incorrect. There are mods that affect gameplay. A mod that makes healing more like Origins, a mod that removes the exploding corpses, a mod that fixes certain bugs like Isabela's glitch etc.

So yes I would say that it says something about general modding. No they haven't gotten to fixing animations or reused environments, but those obviously take much more time. I think the instant modding community response to DA2 is quite large actually.

Yep. And those Mods are popular as heck, just check DA Nexus Top 100. Given that it only took two weeks to make them all, the modding response is absolutely fantastic.

[contown]

Oh god. I laughed so hard I was crying when I saw this.

Is this just salesman talk, or does he really not realize just how poorly DA2 was recieved? If he doesn't, then the man is delusional.

[Sapphira]

LOL OH MAN TOO MUCH LOL O MAN

[ink07]

contown wrote...

Oh god. I laughed so hard I was crying when I saw this.

Is this just salesman talk, or does he really not realize just how poorly DA2 was recieved? If he doesn't, then the man is delusional.

Hmm

"Text is always a pretty horrible medium for conveying sarcasm or sincerity." - Mike Laidlaw


He's just trolling us.

[augustburnt]

Baelyn wrote...

augustburnt wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

ink07 wrote...

Baelyn wrote...

 You are misunderstanding what he said. He said you party looks the same (wears the same stuff) as everyone else in your party, not that my party looks exactly like yours.

The problem -if that if that is the case- its that is not even true. And if you feel that to be a problem there are ways to solve it like aleatory stats, color customization, a deep enchantment systems, more specific armor sets, etc. Have you ever played an RPG? The number of equipment you can have is not infiinte, if you dont want everybody to wear the same armor dont make one set of armor better than all the others. Taking away any and all customization options is not a good solution. Is that feedback enough for you?

You obviously are not if you are still posting in the "Dragon Age" forums. Not meant to be insulting, but if you are giving up on Dragon Age then its useless in posting here as this should be the place that fans of the game (I.E. people that still care about the franchise, regardless of like or dislike of Dragon Age 2) can come to discuss their views to either

A) Present their views in a civil manner (negative or positive) to try to provide feedback that would make the future endeavors of the franchise better in their opinion
or
Have a fun place to talk about the game they all enjoy and love
Sadly, this forum lately has been populated with a bunch of other garbage that just degrades this community.

Yes, only those two options? I love the backseat modding in this place. I'm having fun talking to like minded people about a game I don't enjoy and love, I don't think I have been uncivil, I haven't insulted anyone and have provided feedback. OK sure, if you'd like to think I'm not done with the game, more power to you, I don't think that negates me the possibity of expressing my opinion on this and other forums of my choice about the things I don't like. It seems to me that the one done with this forum is you, if you find it so garbage like and degrading, I hope I'm not keeping you here.

I know that you "care" because you are the bestest fan Bioware can have, good for you. I don't.

First of all I do believe its true (regarding your first point.) They succeeded in making you party all unqiue. Whether you agree with the implementation or not, you cannot say that in Dragon Age 2 all of your companions look the same (wearing the exact same things.)

And you are missing my point. I in no way said you fit the description of "posting garbage insulting etc" (Because from what I have seen of your posts you aren't) but you cannot deny that it isn't done here (on both sides of the fence mind you...the "fanboys" and the "haters")

Yes I believe those are the only two options for THIS forum (the Dragon Age II General Discussion.) Alot can be summed into those two options. If you are here you either don't like the game, are meh, or you like it; all with varying degrees of course. If you don't like it, thats obviously fine but if you are posting here, it should be either talking about the game in general without negativity, or posting negative constructive feedback in a civil manner. If not then what fits here is why you liked the game, what you would like to see, speculations etc or, again, just general discussion.

You like modding, thats great, as do I. But this isn't the modding forum. I am by no means saying you have no RIGHT to be here. Just that its pointless for you to be in Dragon Age 2 General Discussion when you say you are "done" with Dragon Age as it is pointless for most of the "bashing" posters that continously post "Dragon Age 2 Sucks, Bioware sucks, I hate this game, Don't buy this game, Game is only for console ADD mouth breathers, etc."

And I never said I was the "bestest" fan Bioware has. But thanks. Glad you needed to tell me that you don't care as well.

Edit* Also by definiton you are not "done" with the game if you continue to come on forums and read/post about it. Hence making that just a melodramatic response as all the other people on here that say "Thats it I'm done with this," but then continue to come here and "validate" their opinion by reading other people say the same.

I read to the point where you started talking about how they wanted to make the charecters unique, and started laughing... really hard. The charecters are already unique as they are the shallowest NPCs in Bioware history.

Its hard to take seriously someone who quotes someone else and start their argument "Yo I didn't even read all this but you are wrong (paraphrase)."

You really want to argue that the companions in DA2 are less unique visually than they are in DA:O?

Also I would like to hear your proof that they are "the shallowest NPC's in Bioware history."

Visual uniqueness is stupid, do you only recognize your friends when they walk around in the same clothes as when you first met them? Hopefully not.

As to them being shallow, I have played the game almost 3 full times, and can honestly say I am more emotionally attatched to an empty coke can than any of the charecters in this game.

[Beovuk]

 I have not seen a single person come to this forum and change his/her opinion. What you can see are some people utterly convinced they are right and everyone disagreeing with them is wrong and evil.. 

Heh the lengths some go to, like starting to post in alias as the other side and act over the top so they could justify their arguments, sheer repetitiveness on both sides at this point, spinning, enough passive aggressive to last a lifetime, it's all starting to bring this forum to a new low.

As majority of the people who played the game don't even come to this forum, time will tell how DA2 will be judged. Like I said no one leaves here with a changed opinion, and the word of mouth people spread about their personal experience on all of the social media outlets (including other forums, friends, guild, etc.) will outweigh anything that's being said here or spoon fed.

Troll on. 

Modifié par Beovuk, 26 mars 2011 - 09:51 .

[augustburnt]

Beovuk wrote...

 I have not seen a single person come to this forum and change his/her opinion. What you can see are some people utterly convinced they are right and everyone disagreeing with them is wrong and evil.. 

Heh the lengths some go to, like starting to post in alias as the other side and act over the top so they could justify their arguments, sheer repetitiveness on both sides at this point, spinning, enough passive aggressive to last a lifetime, it's all starting to bring this forum to a new low.

As majority of the people who played the game don't even come to this forum, time will tell how DA2 will be judged. Like I said no one leaves here with a changed opinion, and the word of mouth people spread about their personal experience on all of the social media outlets (including other forums, friends, guild, etc.) will outweigh anything that's being said here or spoon fed.

Troll on. 

You do realize that calling somebody that likes/dislikes a game a troll... you know hat Im not going to even bother, because you wont change your mind.

[NRO TYN]

[quote]Abraxas11 wrote...




[quote]I've certainly seen a fair amount of feedback that says, "I couldn't play Origins, I thought it was too slow, the story was too plodding, too typical, and Dragon Age II is awesome by comparison![/quote]"Somebody been drinking"

Modifié par II That Burn In Ya Ass II, 26 mars 2011 - 10:15 .