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[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

Pr3ying M4nt15 360 wrote...

Balerion84 wrote...
Thos are not the main problems of the game. Technical issues can be fixed but the game lacks direction, quests are like from an MMO, basically a to-do list, you just go from marker to marker to get exp. Then there's the whole thing with talking to companions. Tactical side of the battles is gone. The story is all over the place while never making clear why you are doing what you are doing. There's a lot more things wrong with the game, but I'm not going to bother repeating what was already said

Read this:
www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/14/wit-the-opening-hours-of-dragon-age-ii/
and you'll see exactly what I mean

But those are not problems with the game. That's you not liking that it hasn't taken the traditional route of basically having a strict end goal from the start of the game where you are the chosen one and have to defeat an ancient evil and every distraction or sidequest inbetween makes you feel guilty for taking time away from the main quest.

DA2 is meant to be a more realistic story. Hawke starts out as a nobody soldier trying to protect his family and over the years he becomes more important to the world. The side quests feel like part of the game because the game is kirkwall, its all about kirkwall and the people in it. The story isn't all over the place. It's throwing scenarios through a course of 10 years that Hawke has to deal with - for example a lot of people say Act 2 that should have been the end game but the point of that is to make Hawke known and to disrupt the balance of power leaving kirkwall vulnerable to the final event. Why are people so adverse to this? It was always clear to me what I was doing. The companions were fine there could have been more dialog with them, but seeing your relationship grow over years was far more fun. The battles are still tactical I refuse to believe they aren't.

Yes.  10 years in the city..in which nothing changes..not even the weather.  I so enjoyed the chats with my companions; particularlly the ones I made up with Fenris.

Me:  Dude, your house STINKS man!  There are dead bodies everywhere.
Fenris:  Dude, I've got the cool awesomeness of lyrium in my veins!  I DON'T CLEAN!
Me:  Dude, it's been 3 years!  I burn my clothes every time I leave this place!
Fenris:  Dude, talk about burning..ever had to pass raw lyrium?  That's a burn you won't forget.
Me:  That's it.  I'm going to burn a hospital down with Anders. You're a dirty pig!

Yes, this is so much better storytelling than DAO.  This is the new awesomeness.  Same city.  Same maps.  Bad guys that drop out of the sky.  ITS TACTICAL DUDE!  IT'S LIKE TACTICAL ON A LEVEL THAT YOU OLD PC 'TARDS CAN'T COMPREHEND.

Keep dreaming dude.  Hold your breath, close your eyes, press a button, and poof:  DA2 will be a better game than DAO.

Not.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Sapphira wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

I'm sure whenever Mike Laidlaw uses a coffee machine he says "WOW thats awesome!"

also this lmfao

LOL best post ever.

Mike 'Coffee Machine' Laidlaw must be the change Morrigan & Flemeth warned us about.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Sapphira wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

I'm sure whenever Mike Laidlaw uses a coffee machine he says "WOW thats awesome!"

also this lmfao

LOL best post ever.

Mike 'Coffee Machine' Laidlaw must be the change Morrigan & Flemeth warned us about.

He pushed a button, something awesome happened.

[neppakyo]

Well mrcrusty, what will you have then?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

neppakyo wrote...

Well mrcrusty, what will you have then?

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Great Scott, you're right! If
that's the change that is coming, then I will not make that leap. In
fact i'll push my worst enemy(darn neighbour../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png) down a cliff. How's that for a leap, Flemeth?

That's positively evil of you.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 11 mai 2011 - 06:09 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@mrcrusty And I wouldn't have it any other way! 

*exchanges Mike Laidlaw  for sovereigns to Quentin for his Blood Magic*

I am SO getting banned for this. But ti's worth it!

If I'm still here after my MGD Laidlaw photoshop, you're A-Okay.

[neppakyo]

[erynnar]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@mrcrusty And I wouldn't have it any other way! 

*exchanges Mike Laidlaw  for sovereigns to Quentin for his Blood Magic*

I am SO getting banned for this. But ti's worth it!

If I'm still here after my MGD Laidlaw photoshop, you're A-Okay.

Dude, that was you?! *kisses mrcrusty* You're made of pure win just for that pic!

Link? And does that mean, my pic for the hilarious images thread of Zev and the Guppy head saying Laidlaw the Schumacher of DA could go back up? ( had it on the motivational thread before)

[erynnar]

neppakyo wrote...

OKay I am a huge coffee drinker...that just made me laugh...and percolate... Blames the cat.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

erynnar wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

@mrcrusty And I wouldn't have it any other way! 

*exchanges Mike Laidlaw  for sovereigns to Quentin for his Blood Magic*

I am SO getting banned for this. But ti's worth it!

If I'm still here after my MGD Laidlaw photoshop, you're A-Okay.

Dude, that was you?! *kisses mrcrusty* You're made of pure win just for that pic!

Link? And does that mean, my pic for the hilarious images thread of Zev and the Guppy head saying Laidlaw the Schumacher of DA could go back up? ( had it on the motivational thread before)

Not sure if it's the one Ali is thinking about, but okay. *kisses back*

http://social.biowar...44799/2#7345343

Link to Guppy head?

Modifié par mrcrusty, 11 mai 2011 - 06:27 .

[asaiasai]

supertouch wrote...

they were shortsighted in their decision to swap one demographic for another. why risk the financial and critical backing of a loyal fanbase in attempt to attract a wider audience when most people would have welcomed a continuation of the formula anyway?

Ahh bioware blinded by the promise of the two chirping birds in the bush, letting go of the one in the hand to make a half assed grab. The end result no birds at all.

That is DA2.

Asai

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

asaiasai wrote...

supertouch wrote...

they were shortsighted in their decision to swap one demographic for another. why risk the financial and critical backing of a loyal fanbase in attempt to attract a wider audience when most people would have welcomed a continuation of the formula anyway?

Ahh bioware blinded by the promise of the two chirping birds in the bush, letting go of the one in the hand to make a half assed grab. The end result no birds at all.

That is DA2.

Asai

I think the problem here is that most of the people working at Bioware were of the Warrior class and couldn't use ranged weapons to get the birds in the bush.

[blu_skye]

I think something must have been wrong with my copy of the game. The only time something awsome happened is when I removed it from my wife's PC.

[Yrkoon]

Thalorin1919 wrote...



I like his statements, about how RPG's need to move foward and evolve, and not stay the same.

At best, that's a  reduntant, meaningless statement from him, as RPGs   HAVE been changing, consistantly, for more than 2 decades.  Even Bg2  introduces hundreds of changes from BG1.

At worst, this is a typically  arrogant and presumptious statement from someone who hates RPGs.  It'd be like if one of us were to address the FPS genre and say:  well, first person shooters need to evolve and change....  there should be more companion dialogues, more choice,   less explosions, less guns,   and overall, more  RPG elements in them.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 mai 2011 - 10:55 .

[Sabriana]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

supertouch wrote...

they were shortsighted in their decision to swap one demographic for another. why risk the financial and critical backing of a loyal fanbase in attempt to attract a wider audience when most people would have welcomed a continuation of the formula anyway?

Ahh bioware blinded by the promise of the two chirping birds in the bush, letting go of the one in the hand to make a half assed grab. The end result no birds at all.

That is DA2.

Asai

I think the problem here is that most of the people working at Bioware were of the Warrior class and couldn't use ranged weapons to get the birds in the bush.

Stop. Doing. That. Ryllen!!!!

I'm at work dammit. I work in the psych dept of a major hospital. Drawing the eyes of colleagues because of sudden outbursts of laughter isn't a good thing, m'kay?

I am so tired of hearing that RPGers are afraid of change. No game has so many varieties and has undergone more changes than the RPG.  Even the D&D rules keep changing. WotC has arrived at 4ed *tries to stiffle a gag* since it started with the D&D universe. Geez.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I like how "evolving" the RPG genre means turning Dragon Age into a hack n slash or a JRPG.

Because if there's one thing we know about hack n slash games, or JRPGs, it's that they are always constantly evolving, never sticking to the same, winning formula.

<_<

Don't get me wrong, Final Fantasy Tactics ranks above Dragon Age: Origins in my fave RPGs of all time list (nostaglia: 1, reason: 0) and I'd probably stab someone for a game with the roleplaying depth of a Fallout game, with the tactical depth of an FFT or Fire Emblem (AoD you can't come soon enough), but let's not mince words here.

Cutting down or removing RPG elements in favour of elements from other genres doesn't make RPGs better, it just makes them less of an RPG.

Whether that's good or bad depends on the execution. I believe that Dragon Age 2 didn't handle it very well at all.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 11 mai 2011 - 11:12 .

[AkiKishi]

mrcrusty wrote...

I like how "evolving" the RPG genre means turning Dragon Age into a hack n slash or a JRPG.

Because if there's one thing we know about hack n slash games, or JRPGs, it's that they are always constantly evolving, never sticking to the same, winning formula.

<_<

Don't get me wrong, Final Fantasy Tactics ranks above Dragon Age: Origins in my fave RPGs of all time list (nostaglia: 1, reason: 0) and I'd probably stab someone for a game with the roleplaying depth of a Fallout game, with the tactical depth of an FFT or Fire Emblem (AoD you can't come soon enough), but let's not mince words here.

Cutting down or removing RPG elements in favour of elements from other genres doesn't make RPGs better, it just makes them less of an RPG.

Whether that's good or bad depends on the execution. I believe that Dragon Age 2 didn't handle it very well at all.

Makes you wonder if the new home for RPGs will be handhelds.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Handhelds and mobile devices don't cost as much money to produce and don't need as many sales to break even, so it's possible to see a bit more experimentation on those platforms.

Like a high production AAA PSP title will only take a million dollars to develop, whereas a AAA multi platform console and PC title will cost in the tens of millions, easily. So there's a lot less risk involved, less reward too, but if you're a massive company like Square Enix, a PSP game flopping is much less of a big deal than the next Final Fantasy flopping.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Yrkoon wrote...
At best, that's a  reduntant, meaningless statement from him, as RPGs   HAVE been changing, consistantly, for more than 2 decades.  Even Bg2  introduces hundreds of changes from BG1.

At worst, this is a typically  arrogant and presumptious statement from someone who hates RPGs.  It'd be like if one of us were to address the FPS genre and say:  well, first person shooters need to evolve and change....  there should be more companion dialogues, more choice,   less explosions, less guns,   and overall, more  RPG elements in them.

I've read a couple of articles recently that shooters are doing just that.  Well, maybe not fewer explosions, but more character interaction and storytelling elements.