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[Brenus]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

2.5 is far too low, just as 96% from PCGamer is too high. They all average out in the end.

Agreed there. (I know we rarely agree ) I can understand being critical. But I have to say that if I wanted to I could give DAO a 5/10 rating and back it up. A critic's opinion is just that, an opinion. Let me give you a high art example from the world of opera (A world filled with sharks):

Maria Callas. To many "La Divina". To many others her voice is ugly and they don't like her style whatsoever.

The debate over her rages on 44 years after her death and 56 years after her last performance. The fact that DA2 is discussed so hotly (Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius) and not just given the cold shoulder actually works in its favor.

I think it's an absolutely fair score. Brad Gallaway didn't just review the game, he reviewed it in comparision (Sic!) with its predecessor and found it lacking.

You think this is good lol? look at what happened to THQ after their Homefront metascore dropped, shareholders pulling out left and right like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Completely missed my point, paranoid melodramatic hater.

Sorry my mistake your opinion and rating is correct and in your opinion 2.5 is way too low so it must be the truth. 

Do you have a rulebook I can buy so we can make sure our opinions are in line with yours in the future? 

Rulebooks are far too complex for Persephone's narrow and streamlined mind, where only Persephone's opinions are correct and anyone that disagrees must be a hateful troll.  

[Persephone]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

2.5 is far too low, just as 96% from PCGamer is too high. They all average out in the end.

Agreed there. (I know we rarely agree ) I can understand being critical. But I have to say that if I wanted to I could give DAO a 5/10 rating and back it up. A critic's opinion is just that, an opinion. Let me give you a high art example from the world of opera (A world filled with sharks):

Maria Callas. To many "La Divina". To many others her voice is ugly and they don't like her style whatsoever.

The debate over her rages on 44 years after her death and 56 years after her last performance. The fact that DA2 is discussed so hotly (Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius) and not just given the cold shoulder actually works in its favor.

I think it's an absolutely fair score. Brad Gallaway didn't just review the game, he reviewed it in comparision (Sic!) with its predecessor and found it lacking.

You think this is good lol? look at what happened to THQ after their Homefront metascore dropped, shareholders pulling out left and right like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Completely missed my point, paranoid melodramatic hater.

Sorry my mistake your opinion and rating is correct and in your opinion 2.5 is way too low so it must be the truth. 

Do you have a rulebook I can buy so we can make sure our opinions are in line with yours in the future? 

Oh no, dear, that's not what I said at all. There is no "correct opinion" in anything. I'll once again refer to opera (My major): This whole DAO vs. DA2 etc. fight reminds me of "My diva makes yours sound like an amateur!" flame wars on opera sites. And the names tossed around there are legendary names. The vitriol Maria Callas or Renata Tebaldi receive in each other's names (Aka their defenders against each other) makes the whole melodrama here look like kittens trying out their claws.

[BeljoraDien]

Persephone wrote...

(Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius)

Oh, man, yet another thing I completely disagree with you on... Were you sent to this forum to torment me?

[Funkjoker]

A review that sums DA2 perfectly up. I still have hope that DA2 is just a test.

[Akulakhan]

Maverick827 wrote...

Andhaira wrote...

Imagine being stuck in one level with precious little exploration and most areas made up of simple hallways for twenty or thirty hours, and the unpleasantness becomes clear. Adding insult to injury, the player will see the exact same areas being recycled over and over and over and over again, further destroying any potential for Dragon Age's world to be a place of adventure and wonder. Thedas now feels boring, it feels cheap, and the developers should be ashamed of how small and sparse the environments are. The tiny number of unique areas is so absurd, it's got to be someone's idea of a joke.

Worse, every fight basically plays out the same, with players constantly mobbed by pop-in enemies. It makes even rudimentary tactical play impossible (which was the first game's problem, if you'll recall) and utterly destroys player buy-in at the same time. For example, when fighting a non-magical group of knights at a seaside, new reinforcement troops literally dropped out of the sky onto my party. I could hardly believe my eyes. From any perspective, this out-of-nowhere ambush method is a pile of steaming garbage. I don't know who approved this absurd system, but the battles are distasteful, tedious chores that wear away at a sane person's patience.

I bolded the poor journalism for everyone to enjoy.

Of course, they do not use the same dungeons over and over again and the battles do not consist of waves and waves of trash mobs requiring any kind of strategy.

[AkiKishi]

If you came across every bug and every change bothered you , you could maybe get a 25% figure.
But I think it's on the harsh side even though I only rate the game at 40%.

If DA2 is the game that finally gives some reviewers the stones to stand up to publishers ,then it's at least served some purpose.

[Persephone]

Brenus wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

2.5 is far too low, just as 96% from PCGamer is too high. They all average out in the end.

Agreed there. (I know we rarely agree ) I can understand being critical. But I have to say that if I wanted to I could give DAO a 5/10 rating and back it up. A critic's opinion is just that, an opinion. Let me give you a high art example from the world of opera (A world filled with sharks):

Maria Callas. To many "La Divina". To many others her voice is ugly and they don't like her style whatsoever.

The debate over her rages on 44 years after her death and 56 years after her last performance. The fact that DA2 is discussed so hotly (Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius) and not just given the cold shoulder actually works in its favor.

I think it's an absolutely fair score. Brad Gallaway didn't just review the game, he reviewed it in comparision (Sic!) with its predecessor and found it lacking.

You think this is good lol? look at what happened to THQ after their Homefront metascore dropped, shareholders pulling out left and right like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Completely missed my point, paranoid melodramatic hater.

Sorry my mistake your opinion and rating is correct and in your opinion 2.5 is way too low so it must be the truth. 

Do you have a rulebook I can buy so we can make sure our opinions are in line with yours in the future? 

Rulebooks are far too complex for Persephone's narrow and streamlined mind, where only Persephone's opinions are correct and anyone that disagrees must be a hateful troll.  

One thing in this diatribe is true: In the end only MY opinion matters to ME. I've seen some very constructive criticism of DA2 as well as DAO and agreed with it. Also, I'm using Mods (Love you, DA Nexus) that tweak it more to my liking. In the end, both sides make valid points. Then again, whether I enjoy a game or not is decided by ME, not reviewers or other gamers.

[Persephone]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Persephone wrote...

(Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius)

Oh, man, yet another thing I completely disagree with you on... Were you sent to this forum to torment me?

Of course. It's the purpose of my life. (/Sarcasm) As for you not appreciating Maria Callas' contributions to Bel Canto: Not my problem.

[WasGTIguy]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

2.5 is far too low, just as 96% from PCGamer is too high. They all average out in the end.

Reviews for games are, in the end, still opinions.  And they will vary.  It's not up to you or I to decide how they felt about it..

[CRISIS1717]

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

2.5 is far too low, just as 96% from PCGamer is too high. They all average out in the end.

Agreed there. (I know we rarely agree ) I can understand being critical. But I have to say that if I wanted to I could give DAO a 5/10 rating and back it up. A critic's opinion is just that, an opinion. Let me give you a high art example from the world of opera (A world filled with sharks):

Maria Callas. To many "La Divina". To many others her voice is ugly and they don't like her style whatsoever.

The debate over her rages on 44 years after her death and 56 years after her last performance. The fact that DA2 is discussed so hotly (Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius) and not just given the cold shoulder actually works in its favor.

I think it's an absolutely fair score. Brad Gallaway didn't just review the game, he reviewed it in comparision (Sic!) with its predecessor and found it lacking.

You think this is good lol? look at what happened to THQ after their Homefront metascore dropped, shareholders pulling out left and right like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Completely missed my point, paranoid melodramatic hater.

Sorry my mistake your opinion and rating is correct and in your opinion 2.5 is way too low so it must be the truth. 

Do you have a rulebook I can buy so we can make sure our opinions are in line with yours in the future? 

Oh no, dear, that's not what I said at all. There is no "correct opinion" in anything. I'll once again refer to opera (My major): This whole DAO vs. DA2 etc. fight reminds me of "My diva makes yours sound like an amateur!" flame wars on opera sites. And the names tossed around there are legendary names. The vitriol Maria Callas or Renata Tebaldi receive in each other's names (Aka their defenders against each other) makes the whole melodrama here look like kittens trying out their claws.

Well that's great but the way I see it it's like a famous diva having a promising protege and then the protege becoming Lady Gaga.

Lets not forget Dragon Age established the franchise with critical acclaim. 

[aftohsix]

 I lurked some of the RPG Codex forums yesterday just to get a sense of the "community" over there.  It appears to me they simply don't like video games.

[Persephone]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

2.5 is far too low, just as 96% from PCGamer is too high. They all average out in the end.

Agreed there. (I know we rarely agree ) I can understand being critical. But I have to say that if I wanted to I could give DAO a 5/10 rating and back it up. A critic's opinion is just that, an opinion. Let me give you a high art example from the world of opera (A world filled with sharks):

Maria Callas. To many "La Divina". To many others her voice is ugly and they don't like her style whatsoever.

The debate over her rages on 44 years after her death and 56 years after her last performance. The fact that DA2 is discussed so hotly (Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius) and not just given the cold shoulder actually works in its favor.

I think it's an absolutely fair score. Brad Gallaway didn't just review the game, he reviewed it in comparision (Sic!) with its predecessor and found it lacking.

You think this is good lol? look at what happened to THQ after their Homefront metascore dropped, shareholders pulling out left and right like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

Completely missed my point, paranoid melodramatic hater.

Sorry my mistake your opinion and rating is correct and in your opinion 2.5 is way too low so it must be the truth. 

Do you have a rulebook I can buy so we can make sure our opinions are in line with yours in the future? 

Oh no, dear, that's not what I said at all. There is no "correct opinion" in anything. I'll once again refer to opera (My major): This whole DAO vs. DA2 etc. fight reminds me of "My diva makes yours sound like an amateur!" flame wars on opera sites. And the names tossed around there are legendary names. The vitriol Maria Callas or Renata Tebaldi receive in each other's names (Aka their defenders against each other) makes the whole melodrama here look like kittens trying out their claws.

Well that's great but the way I see it it's like a famous diva having a promising protege and then the protege becoming Lady Gaga.

Lets not forget Dragon Age established the franchise with critical acclaim. 

Well, it's your right to see it that way. I obviously don't but we can at least agree to disagree, no? And we both love DAO and ME2. That's something, right? 

[Maverick827]

Akulakhan wrote...

Of course, they do not use the same dungeons over and over again and the battles do not consist of waves and waves of trash mobs requiring any kind of strategy.

Woosh?

[DungeonLord]

Brenus wrote...

People who got given the game before release such as PC Gamer have to give positive reviews or they wont get exclusive reviews again in the future from that develper.

Independant reviews that are made after the game has been released with no influence from the developer or publisher are far more reliable and accurate.

So very true. There is a distinct difference between the kiss-ass reviews of those who get games before, courtesy of BW/EA, and the stark-reality reviews of those who acquire the games themselves.

[lobi]

This is is exactly how Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei started.

Modifié par lobi, 23 mars 2011 - 01:54 .

[AkiKishi]

aftohsix wrote...

 I lurked some of the RPG Codex forums yesterday just to get a sense of the "community" over there.  It appears to me they simply don't like video games.

It's more like they don't like modern video games.

[Akulakhan]

aftohsix wrote...

 I lurked some of the RPG Codex forums yesterday just to get a sense of the "community" over there.  It appears to me they simply don't like video games.

Oh but they like it, a lot! They just don't like games wannabe movies or games that try to appeal the lowest common denominator. They are stuck in a age where the standard was higher and RPGs were made for people that liked RPGs.

Myself prefer RPG Watch, more friendly and less xenophobic.

[BeljoraDien]

Persephone wrote...

BeljoraDien wrote...

Persephone wrote...

(Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius)

Oh, man, yet another thing I completely disagree with you on... Were you sent to this forum to torment me?

Of course. It's the purpose of my life. (/Sarcasm) As for you not appreciating Maria Callas' contributions to Bel Canto: Not my problem.

Is it still considered 'bel canto' when you have a vibrato that could herd sheep?

I'll restrain myself though, because I'm realizing there couldn't possibly be a more inappropriate place for this discussion.

[aftohsix]

BobSmith101 wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

 I lurked some of the RPG Codex forums yesterday just to get a sense of the "community" over there.  It appears to me they simply don't like video games.

It's more like they don't like modern video games.

You're probably right...  Though they did seem to be praising The Sims: Medieval...  I wasn't sure if it was serious though.

[MKDAWUSS]

2.5 overall is a bit harsh.

[Persephone]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BeljoraDien wrote...

Persephone wrote...

(Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius)

Oh, man, yet another thing I completely disagree with you on... Were you sent to this forum to torment me?

Of course. It's the purpose of my life. (/Sarcasm) As for you not appreciating Maria Callas' contributions to Bel Canto: Not my problem.

Is it still considered 'bel canto' when you have a vibrato that could herd sheep?.

You mean a tremolo? I am well aware of her wobble in later years. And yes, it's still Bel Canto. But these days kids don't know the difference between a vibrato and a tremolo. Heck, to some Sarah Brightman (EUGH!) has "too much vibrato".

[Korusus]

2.5 may sound a little harsh, but I think the reviewer sounded more frustrated and bewildered that BioWare could make such a game and an unusually low score was the best way to express that. I think if it weren't a BioWare title he would have rated it higher. As it is DA2 has gotten a lot of completely undeserved praise (lookin at you PCGamer), so the universe must correct itself. Either way the aggregate scores are starting to reflect reality a little more closely.

[BeljoraDien]

Persephone wrote...

BeljoraDien wrote...

Persephone wrote...

BeljoraDien wrote...

Persephone wrote...

(Though it's nowhere near Callas' genius)

Oh, man, yet another thing I completely disagree with you on... Were you sent to this forum to torment me?

Of course. It's the purpose of my life. (/Sarcasm) As for you not appreciating Maria Callas' contributions to Bel Canto: Not my problem.

Is it still considered 'bel canto' when you have a vibrato that could herd sheep?.

You mean a tremolo? I am well aware of her wobble in later years. And yes, it's still Bel Canto. But these days kids don't know the difference between a vibrato and a tremolo. Heck, to some Sarah Brightman (EUGH!) has "too much vibrato".

I'll concede my ignorance on the difference between the two, but a wobble, whether purposeful or not, has never been a pleasing sound to my ear. I'm not a fan of Sarah Brightman either, however (for similar reasons, even, which probably reinforces my ignorance on the difference).


I now need to come up with something to say about the article so that I'm not accused of derailment.... I found it cathartic, if not justified.

Modifié par BeljoraDien, 23 mars 2011 - 02:07 .

[Slayer299]

lobi wrote...

This is is exactly how Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei started.

For those of us who do not speak or read German can you clarify please? The only word I know is "Deutsche" and that's it.