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[tanerb123]

i always tust gamespot with their reviews and i believe 8/10 is the appropriate score for this game

[mesmerizedish]

TJSolo wrote...

It is not fair to hold FO:NV up to the
standards established by DAO. DA2 on the other hand is a sequel to
DAO which means it benefits from the success of DAO and is held to those
established standards.

It is fair to hold FO:NV to the standards to which you hold Origins. It's not fair to criticize it for not being a party-based tacticaly RPG. DAII is what it is. Judge it based on that. I can expect it to be like Origins, yes. I can expect that reasonably. When DAII doesn't live up to my expectations, I can be disappointed. But I can't say (not honestly) that it's not as good because of it.

I'm not saying that every instance of digression from the Origins model is immune from criticism. I'm just saying that the quality of "being different from Origins" in and of itself is not a valid complaint when scoring the game.

moilami wrote...

Missy think again. Critics don't teach writers to write or directors to make movies. It is not critic's job.

That's not what I'm saying. A good review shows how something can be better. "It would be better if it were Origins" is a stupid thing to say.

[Altima Darkspells]

Regardless of the score, the Gamecritics reviewer raises many, many valid points.

tanerb123 wrote...

i always tust gamespot with their reviews and i believe 8/10 is the appropriate score for this game

And then the score drops a full point just for the Act 2 boss.  And then a full point for the ending.

Yeah, 6/10 sounds about right.

[LeBurns]

Looks like Brad Gallaway's check from EA got stuck in the mail or something. No wonder he's upset.

[Nightnight]

2.5 is way too low. I think DA2 is worth between 6 to 8.

[Brenus]

Nightnight wrote...

2.5 is way too low. I think DA2 is worth between 6 to 8.

I think its worth a 3-4. A 5 is too generous when it isnt even half as good as a game that would actually be worth a 9.

[TJSolo]

When DAII doesn't live up to my expectations, I can be disappointed. But I can't say (not honestly) that it's not as good because of it.

You can't but I can.
I bought DA2 because it is the sequel to DAO. For  that reason alone DA2 forfeits the chance of  being judge by me as a standalone game.  It is a poor successor and a poor game.

Modifié par TJSolo, 23 mars 2011 - 08:30 .

[Mad-Max90]

You act as if 4chan is out to get dragon age 2, we're not, we're perfectly content with finding pedophiles and animal murderers, plus there are just way too many new****s on 4chan to even warrant your suspicion of the tards, sorry but it wasn't us

[moilami]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

It is not fair to hold FO:NV up to the
standards established by DAO. DA2 on the other hand is a sequel to
DAO which means it benefits from the success of DAO and is held to those
established standards.

It is fair to hold FO:NV to the standards to which you hold Origins. It's not fair to criticize it for not being a party-based tacticaly RPG. DAII is what it is. Judge it based on that. I can expect it to be like Origins, yes. I can expect that reasonably. When DAII doesn't live up to my expectations, I can be disappointed. But I can't say (not honestly) that it's not as good because of it.

I'm not saying that every instance of digression from the Origins model is immune from criticism. I'm just saying that the quality of "being different from Origins" in and of itself is not a valid complaint when scoring the game.

moilami wrote...

Missy think again. Critics don't teach writers to write or directors to make movies. It is not critic's job.

That's not what I'm saying. A good review shows how something can be better. "It would be better if it were Origins" is a stupid thing to say.

I am judging DA2 as what it is. I am not judging it being a flight sim, for example.*

+ a reviewer can say "this and that was better in Origins". It is one way to say how something can be better.


Edit: *And the rewiever certainly judged it also as what it is and not as flight sim or FPS.

Modifié par moilami, 23 mars 2011 - 08:35 .

[Gatt9]

tanerb123 wrote...

i always tust gamespot with their reviews and i believe 8/10 is the appropriate score for this game

Why would you trust a website that has alot of evidence indicating it fired reviewers for not giving it's advertiser's game a high enough rating? 

[tanerb123]

Gatt9 wrote...

tanerb123 wrote...

i always tust gamespot with their reviews and i believe 8/10 is the appropriate score for this game

Why would you trust a website that has alot of evidence indicating it fired reviewers for not giving it's advertiser's game a high enough rating? 

i never saw gamespot giving a high rating to a bad game. they are quite straightforward and i saw many advertised games getting  5 or 6 in their reviews.

[TMZuk]

*cringe*

2,5/10. That's a harsh verdict. I played through act one, and gave it 4/10.

But, there is that.... I visited a friend who had bought it, just after the game was released, and played it on his rig. I put in some fifteen hours, and got through first act.

It was the strangest gaming-experience I have ever had. I liked several of the characters... Aveline, Isabela, Bethany and Varric. Didn't like Anders, didn't like him in Awakenings either, didn't like Sebastian, didn't like Fenris. I liked Lady Hawke when played sarcastic. The thing about voiced protagonists is that you need to find a voice and a tone that you can bear, and I actually enjoyed her nasty wit. I disliked the wheel, and ultimately I prefer a silent protagonist, but none of these were game-breakers.

I liked the interaction and those characters mentioned, and I was somewhat curious where the story was headed.

But I hated everything in between. The repetitive errand quests, "get the assignment, head towards the flashing pointer, kill, kill kill, repeat ad nauseum." The wandering around a city that was ultimately filled with people you could not interact with. Gangs jumping you and people just continuing gesturing and pretending at being alive, while swords and spells was flying around them. I hated the combat as well, with it's silly, over the top moves. Ramming your sword-point into the ground, or jumping ten feet into the air, and what have we. Dark and gritty my behind. Childish and over the top, rather.

I disliked all these things so intensely that getting to those wonderful moments of character interaction became a hassle. And while I find myself curious about the rest of the story, the very idea of having to suffer this for another two acts is enough for me to perish the idea.

So perhaps 2,5/10 is more fitting than my own 4/10. Because if it was truly 4/10, I should be able to go visit my friend the gameowner again and finish it.

Modifié par TMZuk, 23 mars 2011 - 09:11 .

[tanerb123]

you guys who say 2.5 is the right rating either did not play a bad game yet or dont know how to count.

[Nightnight]

TMZuk wrote...

*cringe*

2,5/10. That's a harsh verdict. I played through act one, and gave it 4/10.

But, there is that.... I visited a friend who had bought it, just after the game was released, and played it on his rig. I put in some fifteen hours, and got through first act.

It was the strangest gaming-experience I have ever had. I liked several of the characters... Aveline, Isabela, Bethany and Varric. Didn't like Anders, didn't like him in Awakenings either, didn't like Sebastian, didn't like Fenris. I liked Lady Hawke when played sarcastic. The thing about voiced protagonists is that you need to find a voice and a tone that you can bear, and I actually enjoyed her nasty wit. I disliked the wheel, and ultimately I prefer a silent protagonist, but none of these were game-breakers.

I liked the interaction and those characters mentioned, and I was somewhat curious where the story was headed.

But I hated everything in between. The repetitive errand quests, "get the assignment, head towards the flashing pointer, kill, kill kill, repeat ad nauseum." The wandering around a city that was ultimately filled with people you could not interact with. Gangs jumping you and people just continuing gesturing and pretending at being alive, while swords and spells was flying around them. I hated the combat as well, with it's silly, over the top moves. Ramming your sword-point into the ground, or jumping ten feet into the air, and what have we. Dark and gritty my behind. Childish and over the top, rather.

I disliked all these things so intensely that getting to those wonderful moments of character interaction became a hassle. And while I find myself curious about the rest of the story, the very idea of having to suffer this for another two acts is enough for me to perish the idea.

So perhaps 2,5/10 is more fitting than my own 4/10. Because if it was truly 4/10, I should be able to go visit my friend the gameowner again and finish it.

I totally agree with your point of Act one being complete garbage. The sidequests of "go there and grab that" or "go there and kill that" without any actual progression of the story is utterly boring.

In my opinion, DA2 only has two true acts: dispose of the qunaris and siding with templars or mages. The escaping from lothering and the supposedly act 1 are just tag-ons to make the game longer. Yes, some people can squeeze 60 hours from this game if you do all the go there and fetch quests, but how many of those hours are actually exciting experience?

I still stand by my 6/10 rating of this game as I find the combat aspect of the game to be relatively fun. The storyline, execution of the quest and environment are very disappointing to me.

[Demx]

tanerb123 wrote...

you guys who say 2.5 is the right rating either did not play a bad game yet or dont know how to count.

Are you really going to go with that? Let people have their opinions on the matter. If they think it's trash, they think it's trash.

[truestatic]

Well that's unreasonably harsh. Dragon Age 2 is a good game that evidently cut a few corners. 2.5 is the sort of score that should be reserved for those games totally devoid of any pleasure that are without direction, function, or fun. I suspect this broski will get a lot of high fives for sticking it to the man, though. Way to be honest, guy.

[Everwarden]

Andhaira wrote...

http://www.gamecriti...n-age-ii-review

Imagine being stuck in one level with precious little exploration and most areas made up of simple hallways for twenty or thirty hours, and the unpleasantness becomes clear. Adding insult to injury, the player will see the exact same areas being recycled over and over and over and over again, further destroying any potential for Dragon Age's world to be a place of adventure and wonder. Thedas now feels boring, it feels cheap, and the developers should be ashamed of how small and sparse the environments are. The tiny number of unique areas is so absurd, it's got to be someone's idea of a joke.

Worse, every fight basically plays out the same, with players constantly mobbed by pop-in enemies. It makes even rudimentary tactical play impossible (which was the first game's problem, if you'll recall) and utterly destroys player buy-in at the same time. For example, when fighting a non-magical group of knights at a seaside, new reinforcement troops literally dropped out of the sky onto my party. I could hardly believe my eyes. From any perspective, this out-of-nowhere ambush method is a pile of steaming garbage. I don't know who approved this absurd system, but the battles are distasteful, tedious chores that wear away at a sane person's patience.

Are 4Channers hacking game sites now and publishing fake reviews? Or was it RPGCodex? Or perhaps the Trolls Liberation Force issuing yet another terrorist attack? Bush?!

Both quotes were entirely accurate. 

[Deified Data]

Brenus wrote...

An honest review for a change, and people think its a troll? LOL!

The trolls are people who give this game anything over 80%.

If you like the game then only the positive reviews are legit. If you hate it, only the negative ones.

Jesus, you people are delusional. If you enjoy the game, play it. If not, why are you wasting your life on these forums? What is everyone trying to prove, here?

[Lotto]

ah yes. the "4chan raid" conspiracy. you do know that never existed, right?

[Bathead]

Deified Data wrote...

Brenus wrote...

An honest review for a change, and people think its a troll? LOL!

The trolls are people who give this game anything over 80%.

If you like the game then only the positive reviews are legit. If you hate it, only the negative ones.

Jesus, you people are delusional. If you enjoy the game, play it. If not, why are you wasting your life on these forums? What is everyone trying to prove, here?

There's a well known saying:
"To those who believe, no proof is necessary, to those who disbelieve, no proof is possible."
I agree, it seems some are not satisfied with simply expressing their opinion, they seem to be picking up on everything they can to prove their opinion is the only right one.

[gotthammer]

Bathead wrote...
I agree, it seems some are not satisfied with simply expressing their opinion, they seem to be picking up on everything they can to prove their opinion is the only right one.

Well, methinks a lot of folks are disappointed and are 'venting' on the forums. 
I mean, people did shell out cash to play the game. (maybe I'm not as disappointed as the game is apparently cheaper in my region, but a lot of folks seem to have spent around 60 USD, and that's still a fair amount of cash)

Is the 'hate' (too strong a word, that) deserved? I personally think so.
I enjoyed it, sure, but it was quite disappointing and I do agree w/ most, if not all, of the critic's points (I do think 2.5/10 is too harsh, tho').

Modifié par gotthammer, 23 mars 2011 - 10:24 .

[WilliamShatner]

tanerb123 wrote...

i always tust gamespot with their reviews and i believe 8/10 is the appropriate score for this game

The same gamespot who fired one of their staff for not giving Kane & Lynch a high enough rating to justify Eidos' marketing money?

[Deified Data]

Bathead wrote...

Deified Data wrote...

Brenus wrote...

An honest review for a change, and people think its a troll? LOL!

The trolls are people who give this game anything over 80%.

If you like the game then only the positive reviews are legit. If you hate it, only the negative ones.

Jesus, you people are delusional. If you enjoy the game, play it. If not, why are you wasting your life on these forums? What is everyone trying to prove, here?

There's a well known saying:
"To those who believe, no proof is necessary, to those who disbelieve, no proof is possible."
I agree, it seems some are not satisfied with simply expressing their opinion, they seem to be picking up on everything they can to prove their opinion is the only right one.

I'm happy to see that pockets of common sense still exist on these forums.

[randName]

lazuli wrote...

Persephone wrote...
But I have to say that if I wanted to I could give DAO a 5/10 rating and back it up.

Not everyone that is disappointed with DA2 thinks DA:O did everything right.  An attack on DA2 is not automatically an elevation of DA:O.

+1.

There seems to be this idea that everyone that comes out to critizise DA2 does so becase DA:O was some sort of holy grail of perfection.

I for one prefer many aspects of DA2 over DA:O, but in the end DA2 stumbles simply due to having too many errors/problems, problems in the sense of repeated areas, and a shallow plot, that ends it something so torrid that I can't really go into details since I dislike it all. & then errors in the sense of destroyed stories, or quests that stop for no reason, as in my last game Fenris got stuck at his "Questioning beliefs" and wouldn't progress, or Merrills broken path, and other similar issues. & the world feels empty.

For me DA2 have despite this a better foundation than DA:O, but because DA:O feels more alive, and got a better main story, a better ending by far, and feels richer in almost every way I can't give DA2 a higher rating than DA:O (6-7, and DA:O an 8).

[SirSwordBlaster]

First time ever i have no desire to replay a Bioware game.

It's a bad sequel but a very good game.

If you haven't played it yet, think of it as Dragon Age V2 1, not as Dragon Age 2. Having that on mind sure you will not be dissappointed.

Dragon Age Origins is one of the best RPGs ever made. Dragon Age 2 is too dumbed down compared to Origins that sometimes you think if it's was made for brainless people (in the cover of the game it should say 'Don't think! Just fight!)'. Dragon Age V2 1 is a very good straight on and simple RPG.

Dragon Age Origins: 10/10
Dragon Age 2: 5/10
Dragon Age V2 1: 8.5/10

Bad work, Bio. If you start losing your 'special touch' on games for just some extra bucks you will lose your awesome and well earned reputation.

And for the fanboys, ¿Do I have to say sorry for being dissapointed after years of waiting with expectation a REAL sequel of a game that i wouldn't not sell for 10000$ if mine was the last copy?

Bio must accept the critics and act in consecuence. It's now on their hands to decide if their next games would be like Mortal Kombat with casual talking or continue making masterpieces of games.

Really hope that The Witcher 2 or Skyrim would get Bio ashamed and will force them to get back to the right path...but after this game, and the so bad called Gothic 4 i think the age of epic RPG games has ended.