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[Eternal Phoenix]

Or a better question; who would side with the mages? 90% of them are all blood mages and it backs the Templars who say "once they have a taste of freedom, they think they can do what they want." So who actually sided with the mages because they wanted to and not just to see the game play out differently? I sided with The Templars in Origins and I did the same in DA2 and I'll do the same again.

[Edli]

Oppression breeds revolution. The tighter you grip, more radical is the revolution.

[Eternal Phoenix]

I've known Rexton Harrimann my whole life, he's a complete prude!

[Galad22]

I did, mages are properly oppressed.

[Warheadz]

Just about everyone sided with the mages. But it was godddamn ridiculous that every mage called forth Blood Magic and demons the moment someone stepped on their toes (Even the 1st enchanter, who spoke against blood magic constantly. Then suddendly, *BAM!*) and then they went all Jack the Ripper on everyone.

The templars on the other hand:
Is that a cherry lollipop?!? It's a demon's choice of candy! Execute him!
Are you angry that we slayed all your buddies for trying to be free? Blood mage, execute him!
And the whole Meredith's insanity crap.

[Thepeak12]

I sided with the mages only because Bethany was a mage

[Slayer299]

I sided with the mages, but what really annoyed me about that was how the game really tried; A) to make every decision from Act I & II bite you in the ass and make every mage a BM, which basically pushes you to siding with the Templars. There was no grey area to the choice by the time everything came to a head in the end.

[_Aine_]

Edli wrote...

Oppression breeds revolution. The tighter you grip, more radical is the revolution.

True.  

The thing I find difficult about siding with the templars, and I *want* to try it, at least once, is that.....  dang, no spoiler forum.  Can't explain it. Grrrr! 

Still, a factor that is pre-determined later makes it difficult because it is so blanket-ish.  

Were this not a no-spoiler forum I could 'splain that.  

[Slayer299]

Warheadz wrote...

Just about everyone sided with the mages. But it was godddamn ridiculous that every mage called forth Blood Magic and demons the moment someone stepped on their toes (Even the 1st enchanter, who spoke against blood magic constantly. Then suddendly, *BAM!*) and then they went all Jack the Ripper on everyone.

The templars on the other hand:
Is that a cherry lollipop?!? It's a demon's choice of candy! Execute him!
Are you angry that we slayed all your buddies for trying to be free? Blood mage, execute him!
And the whole Meredith's insanity crap.

Yeah, that was one of my biggest gripes with that sort of arc to the story. It had no moral grey area to choosing one or the other. Even the ending was the same in the end which seems to invalidate which side you chose.

[AkiKishi]

Blood mage lover mage sister.. no brainer really.

Made no difference though still ended up killing a bunch of them.

[Kaiser Shepard]

I've always sided with the mages and was planning to in the obviously upcoming final confrontation, but certain events forced me to do otherwise.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 23 mars 2011 - 03:06 .

[Forst1999]

I've chosen the mages twice already, and it will be hard for me not to. It is sad how many of them turn to blood magic, they have their issues, i won't deny that. But i can't help in outright murdering them for something they aren't even responsible for. Easy choice for me (and yes, me being overprotective of sisters contributes to that too )

[RazorrX]

lets see, without meta gaming.

If I am a mage I am to side with mages or side with a crazed Knight Marshall who just ordered an Annulment. IF I side with the mages I have a chance to survive. IF I side with the Templars I am agreeing to be put down. .... got to go mages.

Now if I am not a mage myself, then my sister is in the circle. I could very easily side with the templars if I hated her, but I do not. Hmmm. I could side with them IF I could have made a deal with Merideth to keep my sister out of it, but I could not. So *IF* Bethany is in the circle I will side with the Mages.

Now *IF* Bethany is a warden, THEN I could side with the Templars.

[cglasgow]

I sided with the mages because Bethany was trapped in there, yes.

[AlexXIV]

I sided with the mages, despite Bioware's best efforts to make me hate them. Or maybe because of that.

[The Angry One]

Slayer299 wrote...

Warheadz wrote...

Just about everyone sided with the mages. But it was godddamn ridiculous that every mage called forth Blood Magic and demons the moment someone stepped on their toes (Even the 1st enchanter, who spoke against blood magic constantly. Then suddendly, *BAM!*) and then they went all Jack the Ripper on everyone.

The templars on the other hand:
Is that a cherry lollipop?!? It's a demon's choice of candy! Execute him!
Are you angry that we slayed all your buddies for trying to be free? Blood mage, execute him!
And the whole Meredith's insanity crap.

Yeah, that was one of my biggest gripes with that sort of arc to the story. It had no moral grey area to choosing one or the other. Even the ending was the same in the end which seems to invalidate which side you chose.

It's okay because Kirkwall was built over the Hellmouth.
Yes that's their excuse.

[TheAwesomologist]

Nearly every mage that goes batshiat crazy is due almost entirely to the way the Templars treated them. I can't see myself ever siding with the templars. Orsino's turning at the end made no sense, considering he just told Hawke that they stand a chance because of his presence.

Also Merrill and possibly Hawke are both blood mages an neither of them go crazy. For a game that was supposed to have shades of grey the ending felt very black or white.

[LobselVith8]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Or a better question; who would side with the mages?

Anyone who didn't want to endorse genocide?

Elton John is dead wrote...

90% of them are all blood mages and it backs the Templars who say "once they have a taste of freedom, they think they can do what they want."

I didn't realize the actions of some should be contributed to everyone. If we're going down that route, should we factor that virtually all the templars had no problem murdering men, women, and children for something no Circle mage did? They were "following orders," of course, but we know how bad that can get from real world history. We also encounter free mages who don't fit the stigma of the Chantry and the templars, from Terrie to Emile de Launcet, and even Merrill has no desire to establish a magocracy or build an empire on slaves or blood magic.

Why do you think it's appropriate to stigmatize all mages for the actions of some? Meredith making the decision to eradicate all the mages in Kirkwall wasn't warranted when the man responsible for attacking the Kirkwall Chantry was standing a few feet away from her.

We encounter two mages who were sane before they went to the Circle - Huon and  Evelina - and were mentally unhinged after their experiences in the Gallows Prison. One of the said mages -  Evelina - was already a Circle mage from Ferelden.

Elton John is dead wrote...

So who actually sided with the mages because they wanted to and not just to see the game play out differently? I sided with The Templars in Origins and I did the same in DA2 and I'll do the same again.

The Hawke in my run wanted to protect the innocent from Meredith and her decree of genocide against all the mages in Kirkwall for a crime no Circle mage committed.

[Nathan Redgrave]

The Templars say that mages can't be treated like people because of the danger the pose--the irony of that being, much of the danger either stems from or is aggravated by the Templars not treating them like people. Fact is, they're people--think, feel, and react like people--and failing to account for that is asking for a fireball up the arse.

Mages have enough temptation to deal with from the Fade; exacerbating that by giving them reason to be tempted in the real world is folly. The Templars in general, especially in Kirkwall, have it completely wrong. For that reason, I side with the mages... and consider the high concentration of blood mages and dangerous apostates in the area a mere by-product of the Templars, rather than the fault of mages themselves.

It's just people being people: when people feel oppressed, they rebel. When people feel fear, they feel desperation. Rebellious, desperate people resort to rebellious, desperate actions.

Mages are people, and react with rebellious and desperate actions just like any other. It's just a helluva lot more dramatic when they do.

[The Angry One]

"When mages are free, they become Magisters."

Biased source, sure... and yet the game constantly rubs this fact in our faces, from the blood mages to every single Tevinter character being a mustache twirling evil villian.

[Naitaka]

It really comes down to one question, do you agree with the status quo established by the Chantry.

While one of my Hawke had his sister in the Circle and symphasize with mages through out the game. He believes that the Circle is necessary and Blood Magic is inherently evil, in that case, as much as he wanted to side with the mages, he couldn't.

EDIT: Personally, I think what Ander did was necessary, but it might not come to an all out war still, the idea that magic is a curse and a sin just need to go. I think Trask put it best, mages and templars should be working together against demon, not each others. The entire Circle heriarchy needs to be revised, but the Circle is still necessary.

Modifié par Naitaka, 23 mars 2011 - 04:39 .

[ToJKa1]

My mage sided with the mages for obvious reasons. My rogue sided with the mages due to her sister being in the Circle. My current warrior who will have no family left by the start of Act 3 and blames magic for it will side with Meredith.

I personally support the cause of mages and beheading Meredith

[Vhalkyrie]

I only sided with the mages on my first playthrough. I've sided with the templars on the next. In the end, I find it easier to sympathize with the templars. Orsino congratulated Quentin on his horrific blood magic research that killed mother. I had no conflict about siding with Meredith against him after that.

[LobselVith8]

The Angry One wrote...

"When mages are free, they become Magisters."

So the free mages of the Dalish, the Chasind, and the nation of Rivain are actually Magisters?