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[Legbiter]

Mages are either at your throat or at your feet.

Didn't so much side with the mages in my first playthrough as just carve a path to Bethany to get her out. Second playthrough I sided with the templars to show them how you do a proper Circle annulment. Got to call Orsino out on his blood magic wrt mom before killing him which was satisfying.

Oh and Anders dies. Always.

[Osmedirez]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Nearly every mage that goes batshiat crazy is due almost entirely to the way the Templars treated them. I can't see myself ever siding with the templars. Orsino's turning at the end made no sense, considering he just told Hawke that they stand a chance because of his presence.

Also Merrill and possibly Hawke are both blood mages an neither of them go crazy. For a game that was supposed to have shades of grey the ending felt very black or white.

Did no one else notice that Orsino was aiding and working with the mage that kills your mother? He said as much in the letter you find after that conflict (Signed "O." Gee, I wonder who that was?), as well as making a comment about it at endgame. Orsino was ALWAYS a blood mage, and many of the circle were as well. The whole city of Kirkwall is pretty much a demon pit that has had years of murder and oppression corrupting the fade around it. Wouldn't be surprised if one of the old gods lives underneath it as well!

Dragon Age 2 is a dark and twisted game being played by maniacs, lunatics, and desperate people who can't quite decide which one they want to be when they grow up. The Qunari and The Reverend Mother were the only sane people in the whole city, and look what the city did to them!

The ending did have some surprises, but mostly in the decision to reuse a boss from Origins DLC that had no place in the cannon for being where it was when it was (sorry, it really didn't, don't care if the town is full of Tivinter Tomes). Also, Pride Demons falling out of the void to make the last 10 combat sequences longer than they had any right to be.

[ReallyRue]

Before the ending, I was evenly split about whether the mages were right, or the templars.

But anulling the Circle in response to something that wasn't their fault is going to far. So I prefer to side with them. Not that Orsino is especially blameless.

[Mabari Owns High Dragon]

Osmedirez wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Nearly every mage that goes batshiat crazy is due almost entirely to the way the Templars treated them. I can't see myself ever siding with the templars. Orsino's turning at the end made no sense, considering he just told Hawke that they stand a chance because of his presence.

Also Merrill and possibly Hawke are both blood mages an neither of them go crazy. For a game that was supposed to have shades of grey the ending felt very black or white.

Did no one else notice that Orsino was aiding and working with the mage that kills your mother? He said as much in the letter you find after that conflict (Signed "O." Gee, I wonder who that was?), as well as making a comment about it at endgame. Orsino was ALWAYS a blood mage, and many of the circle were as well. The whole city of Kirkwall is pretty much a demon pit that has had years of murder and oppression corrupting the fade around it. Wouldn't be surprised if one of the old gods lives underneath it as well!

Dragon Age 2 is a dark and twisted game being played by maniacs, lunatics, and desperate people who can't quite decide which one they want to be when they grow up. The Qunari and The Reverend Mother were the only sane people in the whole city, and look what the city did to them!

The ending did have some surprises, but mostly in the decision to reuse a boss from Origins DLC that had no place in the cannon for being where it was when it was (sorry, it really didn't, don't care if the town is full of Tivinter Tomes). Also, Pride Demons falling out of the void to make the last 10 combat sequences longer than they had any right to be.

YES! MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY! Notice how they also treated Fereldans...

Modifié par Mabari Owns High Dragon, 23 mars 2011 - 09:04 .

[Sharn01]

I kind of feel Dragon Age 2 fell into something similer to Star Treks Wesley Crusher in how they treated the mages.  The vast majority of players seemed to sympathize with mages after Origins, the writers clearly wanted it to be more grey, so like Star Trek kept pushing more and more cray crap at the audience with Wesley to make the fans like him, DA2 pushed a whole city of mostly bat **** crazy mages to try and force the idea that they are dangerous into the players mind. 

I dont think the end result will be what the writers expect, unless I am wrong I think they want the audience to sympathize with the mages yet question whether or not its safe for them to be free.  I actually think they already succeeded at this, its just that most players realized that the current circle was not the best answer and that it needed changes.  Maybe they did not pick up on this and assumed people didnt want any mage oversight, I am not sure, but after DA2 I dont think they will get the result they want.  I think its more likely people will either go too far to the opposite end of the spectrum on the mage vs templar scale, or they will see it for what it is, and discard it, eventually forcing the writers to accept what the fans want, just like little Wesley was eventually forced to leave the show.

I also want to comment on the relationship of Orsino with your mother's murderer, I dont recall his name.  Orsino supported his research, we have no way of knowing how much support he gave or how much he knew about what the guy was actually doing.  If I am providing funding to a scientist who is trying to cure aids, but dont actually know first hand what his experiments are, I would hope that I would not be held responsible if its later discovered that he was kidnapping and infecting prime candidates with the virus for his experiments and killing them when he was done if they survived at all.

Modifié par Sharn01, 23 mars 2011 - 10:36 .

[ToJKa1]

Lizardviking wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Or a better question; who would side with the mages?

Reason why I sided with the mages...

"Templars. You kidnapped my sister, prepare to die!"

My rogue's version was "Knight Commander, you just threathened to kill my sister. You'll have to go trough me first!"

[PirateT138]

I did and I'm so glad the mages all supported me and didn't spaz out and turn into a Harvester for no reason what-so-ever since Harvesters were from Amgarrak and that place collapsed.

...wait.

[cglasgow]

Sharn01 wrote...

I also want to comment on the relationship of Orsino with your mother's murderer, I dont recall his name.  Orsino supported his research, we have no way of knowing how much support he gave or how much he knew about what the guy was actually doing.

Orsino helped him escape the authorities because 'Meredith would use his crimes to punish us further'.   Which kinda suggests Orsino knew the guy was doing crime.

Also, Orsino was interested in his research.  Dude, its kinda hard to read Quentin's research notes without knowing he was cutting women apart and stitching them back together...

[loudent3]

cglasgow wrote...
Actually, during the Templar ending, Cullen will point out that even the Right of Annulment only should be used to kill blood mages and maleficar, not all mages.



Starting at about 2 minutes in.

Except that 3:38 in the first part meridith explicitly states: " I hearby invoke the rite of anullment, *every* mage in the circle is to be executed immedietely"

[TJPags]

I sided with the mages, even though I think every last insane one of them should be locked in a tower under heavy guard.

Why? Because they didn't blow up the Chantry. Lock them up for being insane, make them Tranquil for braking rules, kill them for being mages.

But don't kill them because someone else blew up the Chantry. I'm not fond of scapegoats.

[cglasgow]

loudent3 wrote...

Except that 3:38 in the first part meridith explicitly states: " I hearby invoke the rite of annullment, *every* mage in the circle is to be executed immedietely"

... yes, and the entire point of that discussion I linked is that Meredith is going too far even by templar standards.

Modifié par cglasgow, 24 mars 2011 - 12:03 .

[Talvrae]

 I have sided with Mage on my first playtrought, had a really hard time side with the templar on my secound playtrought. And will side again with mage on subsequent playtrought.
Might because i'm a Libertarian, nothing is more important to me than Free will, and everything about th templar ring wrong in me. Nothing justify what they do to the mages

[Sylvianus]

On my first part, I put myself on the side of the Magi. Although I am very frustrated by the lack of opportunity to kill everyone, or to be neutral, or just leave and let the animals kill each other.

Why the side of the Magi ? It's simple, because of Bethany. Anger would have me more likely to hit the circle after the betrayal and insanity of Anders, especially as Kirkwall and almost all mages of this city are rotten, but I could not let my sister.

Instinct, selfish feeling, prevailed in a situation where selfishness and extremism prevail. Each for their skin, and to save that of my sister, I have rubbed shoulders with the Magi.

In the second part, once bethany custody wardens, I will not have to worry about her fate.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 mars 2011 - 12:18 .

[Kreid]

I sided with the mages because Bethany was at the circle and because Meredith was literally going crazy, although my opinion is much more complex than "side with either side" I felt that siding with the mages at that very moment was the right thing.
I regretted it though when Orsino just went balls for absolutely no apparent reason and a lot of mages and abominations threw at me constantly.

[Irish Coffee]

This very discussion is why Bioware did a fantastic job with the story. Some are mad at the hordes of blood mages that were thrown at us but that's the point. It's not supposed to be an easy decision, you aren't supposed to see the rainbow behind one of the sides. FEEL CONFLICTED! IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!

PS: I sided with the Mages in first run cause I felt killing everyone was wrong (I'm sorry i'm not a ****) but i'm gonna side with the Templars in this new run out of curiosity.

[TJPags]

I didn't feel conflicted. I felt bored, and annoyed, and tired to death of the insane, incompetant lunatics running Kirkwall.

I made a choice because I had to. No other reason to it.

[Kerilus]

So OP wonders why people would not slaughter every single mages in Kirkwall because of the action of one and the suspicion and fear for blood magic? My, internet breeds marvelous people indeed.

[Jedimaster88]

I sided with the mages. It was anders, who blew up the chantry. To kill every single mage in kirkwall because of something they DID NOT DO isnt justice in my opinion. I know both sides have their faults, and orsino isnt the best example of mages, but I think in many ways the templars caused it. It was their actions that drove many mages to blood magic and go crazy. My hawke also wanted to protect bethany from mean annoying crazy meredith.