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[Tom Jolly]

Did anyone else see Leandra's death as a huge mis-step?  Here you have the main-character's mother, suddenly wisked away and killed in an horific manner.  After a brief exchange of final words with his MOTHER'S HEAD, Hawke just goes back to business as usual.  First, this seems like something that should have invovled a side-character, not the main character's MOTHER.   Her death should carry more weight in the story.   I'm sure someone will argue that this event is set up to polarize Hawke for or against the mages.  I might be willing to accpet that if it actually felt like the circumstances of her death actually mattered, or tied into the story in a larger sense. It's another crazy blood-mage with ridiculous motivations.

Modifié par Tom Jolly, 24 mars 2011 - 02:33 .

[Xewaka]

I think that scene would be more powerful without final words exchange. To really nail down the frailty of Hawke's position and drive the point that you're not a superhero further. The scene comes shallower than it should due to that conversation.

[MKDAWUSS]

Yes. That storyline significantly sanitized the feelings I was supposed to have. I've said here before but they should have gone with a totally different storyline - many which could have achieved the same result in a much more emotional invoking manner.

[dreman9999]

God no. That scene had me depressed for days. It made it more personal. The only bad thingabout is that you could do nothing to pervent it.

[Zalocx]

dreman9999 wrote...

God no. That scene had me depressed for days. It made it more personal. The only bad thingabout is that you could do nothing to pervent it.

Actually I find that to be a good thing. It affirms the world is a dark fantasy setting, not some place where everyhting will have a favorable ending if you try hard enough

[tanerb123]

those last words were very emotional. which one did you choose?

- i failed you
-goodbye mother

Modifié par tanerb123, 24 mars 2011 - 04:09 .

[dreman9999]

tanerb123 wrote...

those last words were very emotional. which one did you choose?

- i failed you
-goodbye mother

I failed you.......

[PirateT138]

I liked it.

[The Angry One]

The scene needed Quentin to stay alive after the battle so Hawke could extract terrible revenge on him.
Beatings, magic fireball to the crotch, murder knife, Fenris' fist o' doom. Anything!

[Thehealeroftruu]

The Angry One wrote...

The scene needed Quentin to stay alive after the battle so Hawke could extract terrible revenge on him.
Beatings, magic fireball to the crotch, murder knife, Fenris' fist o' doom. Anything!

Don't forget Aveline Scoldings

[Clonedzero]

i think its great. it helps push you in the other direction.

basically anyone going into the game without an opinion on the templar vs. mage issue is going to initially side with the mages. your family is mage heavy (either you or your sister is a hunted mage for the first third of the game). your parents have kept you safe from the templars all your life.

you make several apostate mage friends. one being a radicalist anti-templar guy who rants about their evils constantly and who's recruitment quest shows how screwed up mages get treated. the other is a sweet and innocent blood mage who never uses it to hurt anyone other than people freaking out about it.

as they game goes on however you keep getting examples of how mages can be pretty messed up till you finally get to your mothers murder, which really helps solidify it. so the bias sorta swings the other direction with how things are playing out. do you stand by your initial reaction of helping the mages or has the "reality" of the situation beaten that belief out of you?

well done imo.

[maegi46]

Just let her die and not have the speaking part. I think the message would have been the same. All the clues and notes and books said it well enough to me. We could clearly see what the "plan" was without having to see a zombie husk speak in her voice. I still feel that it added to the story by making you feel sadness, rage and helplessness. Even superheroes can't save everyone.

[Nigawatts]

Speaking of this quest. What happens to the Blood Mage noble if you let him free? He says he's going to hunt down the guy, but he never shows up again. My first playthrough I killed him cuz I figured he was the murderer, but my second playthrough I kept him alive thinking he would finally catch the serial killer. So what the hell happened, did he give up? I mean at least find his corpse down in the Lair or something...

[Minaach]

I actually didn't know what Orsino was talking about when his "friend" was studying this type of magic...turns out Quentin was the guy Orsino was talking about. "O" = Orsino...after two different playthroughs on my third I sided with the Templars and I found that Orsino allowed him to study that type of magic...and I was shocked.

[BobWalt]

Had I known about it ahead of time I would not have purchased the game. I have had quite enough tragedy in my life that I do not need it in my entertainment to feel alive.

Bob

[Kartikeya]

Nigawatts wrote...

Speaking of this quest. What happens to the Blood Mage noble if you let him free? He says he's going to hunt down the guy, but he never shows up again. My first playthrough I killed him cuz I figured he was the murderer, but my second playthrough I kept him alive thinking he would finally catch the serial killer. So what the hell happened, did he give up? I mean at least find his corpse down in the Lair or something...

This is a bit hidden. However, after you return to your house and find out Leandra is missing, instead of looking for Gamlen, go to Darktown and find DuPois, and ask him to perform his blood magic finding ritual. You'll find things play out a teense differently.

Bring Varric along for maximum satisfaction.

[Soulcheg]

This scene is not touching, it is disturbing. Moreover - only at first playthrough i felt some emotions, second playthrough i was all like "oh noes, not that psychopatic BS again".

[Ox_Mox]

Would have been much more powerful without the conversation with your mother's head. That felt kind of corny and ruined the emotion for me.

[Danathyr]

I liked this quest. There was a real sense of panic and of it becoming personal. It was also a reminder that the numerous people I'd killed (some for good reason, some less so) had their own families and lives. I felt that it helped my character develop.

[vicegt]

The Angry One wrote...

The scene needed Quentin to stay alive after the battle so Hawke could extract terrible revenge on him.
Beatings, magic fireball to the crotch, murder knife, Fenris' fist o' doom. Anything!

insteed of that, they should have had do somthing like they had bruce willes do in sin where he just keep hitting the yellow guy untell somone pulled him off. then do the rest of the scean as is.

[TobiTobsen]

vicegt wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

The scene needed Quentin to stay alive after the battle so Hawke could extract terrible revenge on him.
Beatings, magic fireball to the crotch, murder knife, Fenris' fist o' doom. Anything!

insteed of that, they should have had do somthing like they had bruce willes do in sin where he just keep hitting the yellow guy untell somone pulled him off. then do the rest of the scean as is.

Exactly... Quentin's death was way to quick for what he did to Leandra

[vicegt]

TobiTobsen wrote...

vicegt wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

The scene needed Quentin to stay alive after the battle so Hawke could extract terrible revenge on him.
Beatings, magic fireball to the crotch, murder knife, Fenris' fist o' doom. Anything!

somone should do a sadifaction mod, just add to the game with out changing it to much. just a few littel thing's here and there.

insteed of that, they should have had do somthing like they had bruce willes do in sin where he just keep hitting the yellow guy untell somone pulled him off. then do the rest of the scean as is.

Exactly... Quentin's death was way to quick for what he did to Leandra

[Babi]

Ox_Mox wrote...

Would have been much more powerful without the conversation with your mother's head. That felt kind of corny and ruined the emotion for me.

That, and the cheesy zoom-in on Hawke's face when you first see it's Hawke's mother. The 8O face killed the moment more than anything, IMO.

[shaneho78]

They should have designed it such that Hawke's mother would be killed if you waited too long after the quest is triggered. It'd be like the game makes you feel guilty for waiting so long when the warning signs (white lilies) are there. This would be analogous to a mission in ME2 where your crew would be killed if you had waited too long to start the end mission. The way it is, that you can't save Hawke's mom no matter what, is just disappointing in terms of story development and gameplay.