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[Vormaerin]

Odd, because I did those same things and she played straight with me. The double dealer in the court scene I got was Alistair, who was willing to betray anyone and everyone to make sure that Loghain was executed right there instead of died in battle in a useful fashion.

[Vormaerin]

The Angry One wrote...

There is specific talk that the loyalist and Bannorn armies clashing would reduce both by a large amount, it's not just that Loghain has a drain on manpower, it's that any victory he'd have in the civil war would be pyrrhic.

Yes?   I'm not sure how that disagrees with anything I said or supports your contention that the rebellion was a majority of the Bannorn.   You wouldn't need anywhere near a majority to cause that effect.

[Ariella]

Personally, I loath Anora and I credit the writers with making her so abhorrent that I wanted to throw my controller through the screen every time I saw her... and that was from the moment that she first spoke at the first Landsmeet with Teagan.



I just figure that after she's thrown in the tower my noble goes up and has a little "discussion" about Anora's career options: support Alistair as a Teyrna, commit suicide or become a broodmother for the darkspawn (the latter options would see my noble throwing her into the Dead Trenches with nothing but her gown and a knife.) If Ms. Cousland is a bit unreasonable about her stance on the former Queen, it might have something to do with her witnessing the slaughter of her entire family to further Loghain's paranoia.

[Lerolain]

I hated Howe, after the human noble origin. It was a proud moment when I lopped his head off.



As for Anora, I didn't hate her. In fact, she did almost exactly what I (as a politically minded Cousland who always paid attention in my lessons) would have done in her place.



I strung her along to get her support in the Landsmeet, then turned on her. Which I think is what she would have done to me if she could. We both wanted our rivals out of the way. It's just that I played the politics game better than her.



She was a worthy rival.

[Taerda]

Ariella wrote...

Personally, I loath Anora and I credit the writers with making her so abhorrent that I wanted to throw my controller through the screen every time I saw her... and that was from the moment that she first spoke at the first Landsmeet with Teagan.

I just figure that after she's thrown in the tower my noble goes up and has a little "discussion" about Anora's career options: support Alistair as a Teyrna, commit suicide or become a broodmother for the darkspawn (the latter options would see my noble throwing her into the Dead Trenches with nothing but her gown and a knife.) If Ms. Cousland is a bit unreasonable about her stance on the former Queen, it might have something to do with her witnessing the slaughter of her entire family to further Loghain's paranoia.

Totally agree here. Except I would slit her throat with my own blade to make sure she was dead.

[Haasth]

Ariella wrote...

Personally, I loath Anora and I credit the writers with making her so abhorrent that I wanted to throw my controller through the screen every time I saw her... and that was from the moment that she first spoke at the first Landsmeet with Teagan.

I just figure that after she's thrown in the tower my noble goes up and has a little "discussion" about Anora's career options: support Alistair as a Teyrna, commit suicide or become a broodmother for the darkspawn (the latter options would see my noble throwing her into the Dead Trenches with nothing but her gown and a knife.) If Ms. Cousland is a bit unreasonable about her stance on the former Queen, it might have something to do with her witnessing the slaughter of her entire family to further Loghain's paranoia.

Turn her into a Broodmother. Talking about hating someone. Though it would be very epic.

[RazorrX]

Arl Howe makes a comment that the Civil War is getting to the point that they will not have enough men to fight the darkspawn if things continue. That makes me think that the battles are not so one sided. I got the impression the Landsmeet was split about 50-50 or 40-60.

[Ariella]

Vormaerin wrote...

Odd, because I did those same things and she played straight with me. The double dealer in the court scene I got was Alistair, who was willing to betray anyone and everyone to make sure that Loghain was executed right there instead of died in battle in a useful fashion.

Well, considering that Loghain had a hand in the death of one of Alistair's father figures (Duncan) and the near death of another (Eamon), plus the entire order of Wardens in Fereldan (the only place he ever felt at home) and then hunted Alistair and his friends, all the while ignoring the Blight and allowing people to suffer as a consequence (Lothering is fair example of this) ... I can understand why Alistair would be a mite unreasonable about Loghain's survival.

[Ariella]

Taerda wrote...

Ariella wrote...

Personally, I loath Anora and I credit the writers with making her so abhorrent that I wanted to throw my controller through the screen every time I saw her... and that was from the moment that she first spoke at the first Landsmeet with Teagan.

I just figure that after she's thrown in the tower my noble goes up and has a little "discussion" about Anora's career options: support Alistair as a Teyrna, commit suicide or become a broodmother for the darkspawn (the latter options would see my noble throwing her into the Dead Trenches with nothing but her gown and a knife.) If Ms. Cousland is a bit unreasonable about her stance on the former Queen, it might have something to do with her witnessing the slaughter of her entire family to further Loghain's paranoia.

Totally agree here. Except I would slit her throat with my own blade to make sure she was dead.

I figure we just make sure that there are no rum runners around to rescue her from being marooned in the Trenches.....

As for hating someone enough to see her turned into a Broodmother... Oh yes, my noble hated Anora, and really never saw her as a person, especially after the whole incident at Howe's.

[Niten Ryu]

This is easy - Anora



Actually main reason why I chose my own character to do ultimate sacrifice in the end was the fact that it was only way (at that point) to keep her away from the throne. I think that makes her great character. Manipulative ****, but great character still.

[morrisbrown]

Niten Ryu wrote...

This is easy - Anora

Actually main reason why I chose my own character to do ultimate sacrifice in the end was the fact that it was only way (at that point) to keep her away from the throne. I think that makes her great character. Manipulative ****, but great character still.

You've got, by far, the ugliest PC I've ever seen. I assume that was deliberate, so bravo to you.

As for the topic, Isolde hands down. What she had done to Alistair was reason enough to hate her, but the NONSTOP whining really set my Hate-O-Meter off the charts. I'd say that what happened to her and her son was just cosmic Karma for alienating an orphaned boy simply because he was born out of wedlock.

Although I was pretty surprised when Alistair chewed me out for having her killed by Jowan on my 2nd playthrough. That guy's too nice for his own damn good.

[daguest]

i don't know why everybody want to kill anora, she is a good queen, and an awesome politician. You blow her cover, she let you fight. Politics, no more. In the codex, and in the end, is she become queen, you can read she was (during cailan rule, she was the real ruler) and will be a very good ruler.

Anyway, i wanted vaughan dead, i killed him. I wanted Zhevran dead (this guy is the worst companion ever), i killed him.

And, when i made the dwarf noble origin, i wanted bhelen head, i got it. I also wanted the second traitor head, don't remember the name (the first one taste my blade), but you can't kill him later.

[Sheryl Chee]

Zenocrate wrote...

Then at the landsmeet she comes out in favor of Loghain.  I bent over backwards to help her keep her throne and she STILL backstabbed me.

So either you guys don't know what you're talking about, or you've got some QAing to do.

Sigh. I think this has been said several times, but if you tell her that you're going to kill her father, she's going to betray you. Because she loves her father. OH NOEZ, how unreasonable.

[kingthrall]

katilyn the woman in the chantry in redcliffe sobbing and whining about her lost child.

[RunCDFirst]

I'm really surprised by all the Anora hate.Sure, she's manipulative but she is a politician. It must be difficult trying to properly run a country while you have people like Cailan, Loghain and Alistair all trying to be the face of the monarchy while simultaneously having no skill in actually ruling a throne. I felt Anora was a rather sympathetic character.

[Akka le Vil]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Sigh. I think this has been said several times, but if you tell her that you're going to kill her father, she's going to betray you. Because she loves her father. OH NOEZ, how unreasonable.

When the said father is a traitor to the country, a regicide, sold his citizen in slavery, torture countless people in his prison, killed her own husband, started a civil war and basically handed the country to the Blight, yes I'd say it's quite unreasonable, and even raw madness, to betray the only hope for the country just to save the said father's hide.

Especially considering that, anyway, once the betrayal of her father is known, there is no plausible way he'll stay alive.
And also worth to take into account that the guy she betrays is known for being quite competent at killing.

RunCDFirst wrote...

I'm really surprised by all the Anora
hate.Sure, she's manipulative but she is a politician. It must be
difficult trying to properly run a country while you have people like
Cailan, Loghain and Alistair all trying to be the face of the monarchy
while simultaneously having no skill in actually ruling a throne. I
felt Anora was a rather sympathetic character.

Some pragmatism in a politician is understandable and appreciable.
Being a backstabbing-happy ruthless b*tch manipulating, deceiving and lying to people that ditches and gets without hesitation nor a second thought whoever can allows her to access to the most power she can get and attempt to murder anyone is between her and the throne, is another story entirely.

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 18 novembre 2009 - 04:54 .

[The Angry One]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Zenocrate wrote...

Then at the landsmeet she comes out in favor of Loghain.  I bent over backwards to help her keep her throne and she STILL backstabbed me.

So either you guys don't know what you're talking about, or you've got some QAing to do.

Sigh. I think this has been said several times, but if you tell her that you're going to kill her father, she's going to betray you. Because she loves her father. OH NOEZ, how unreasonable.

She loves a despicable tyrant whom she thinks is planning to kill her.
I don't know, were that my father I would find it.. somewhat hard to still love him.

Unless of course, she is as much of a tyrant, and is just lying about thinking he'd kill her.

[RazorrX]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Zenocrate wrote...

Then at the landsmeet she comes out in favor of Loghain.  I bent over backwards to help her keep her throne and she STILL backstabbed me.

So either you guys don't know what you're talking about, or you've got some QAing to do.

Sigh. I think this has been said several times, but if you tell her that you're going to kill her father, she's going to betray you. Because she loves her father. OH NOEZ, how unreasonable.

Ahhh but see . . . THAT Is why she has to die.  She loves that no good traitor!  She wants to spare the bastage who sold my people into slavery!  She wants to save the guy that killed the king, the grey wardens, and left it up to me and Dufus the Short Bus Boy to save the world.

SO she has to die because she loves the guy that killed the guy who was with they guy that knew the guy . . .

[RazorrX]

The Angry One wrote...

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Zenocrate wrote...

Then at the landsmeet she comes out in favor of Loghain.  I bent over backwards to help her keep her throne and she STILL backstabbed me.

So either you guys don't know what you're talking about, or you've got some QAing to do.

Sigh. I think this has been said several times, but if you tell her that you're going to kill her father, she's going to betray you. Because she loves her father. OH NOEZ, how unreasonable.

She loves a despicable tyrant whom she thinks is planning to kill her.
I don't know, were that my father I would find it.. somewhat hard to still love him.

Unless of course, she is as much of a tyrant, and is just lying about thinking he'd kill her.

BINGO! It was a lie.  You were being set up.

[RunCDFirst]

Akka le Vil wrote...
Some pragmatism in a politician is understandable and appreciable.
Being a backstabbing-happy ruthless b*tch manipulating, deceiving and lying to people that ditches and gets without hesitation nor a second thought whoever can allows her to access to the most power she can get and attempt to murder anyone is between her and the throne, is another story entirely.

She doesn't really kill everyone that stands between her and the throne. She wants her father to live. She doesn't call for Arl Eamon's head. She capitulates rather easily to letting Alistair go (is it even a persuade option?).
It's only through her lying that she is able to help you. Remember that she was locked up by Arl Howe after just talking to him. I think her guardedness is warranted. And she's honest and straightforward to you. Does she ever say 'Oh, hey, you can betray me but I'll still support your misguided and uninformed attempts to screw up the throne of Ferelden'?

[The Angry One]

RazorrX wrote...

BINGO! It was a lie.  You were being set up.

I figure as much. It amuses me that some think she genuinely feared for her life.
She was just tired of being under daddy's thumb.

Point is, either way she's a backstabbing, lying wench. Only difference is in one she's a backstabbing, lying wench who loves daddy despot.

[Akka le Vil]

RunCDFirst wrote...

She doesn't really kill everyone that stands between her and the throne. She wants her father to live. She doesn't call for Arl Eamon's head. She capitulates rather easily to letting Alistair go (is it even a persuade option?).
It's only through her lying that she is able to help you. Remember that she was locked up by Arl Howe after just talking to him. I think her guardedness is warranted. And she's honest and straightforward to you. Does she ever say 'Oh, hey, you can betray me but I'll still support your misguided and uninformed attempts to screw up the throne of Ferelden'?

As she said herself, she helps me because her goals coincide with mine. Her "honesty" simply comes from the fact that the truths she tells are harmless for her.
As soon as saying the truth doesn't make her position better, she lies. The whole rescue was a lie, for God's sake !

I wouldn't trust her with the hour of the day, unless she's something to gain from it.
The simple fact that she tried to kill Alistair is quite telling.
How I would have liked the option "Bad Idea to ask for the death of my friend when your victory depended on my. (kill her)".

Or better, when coming back at the Arl's house after she betrayed me to Gauthrien, not even trying to convince her that her father was going mad : "I hope there is no hard feelings" "Yes, there is, b*tch (Kill her)"

[The Angry One]

Akka le Vil wrote...

How I would have liked the option "Bad Idea to ask for the death of my friend when your victory depended on my. (kill her)".

Or better, when coming back at the Arl's house after she betrayed me to Gauthrien, not even trying to convince her that her father was going mad : "I hope there is no hard feelings" "Yes, there is, b*tch (Kill her)"

With the evil dagger music, of course.

[Lil-Vinny29]

For me, all easy. Loghain first and then Howe, even more when playing the Human Origin.

[Austrolite]

daguest wrote...

i don't know why everybody want to kill anora, she is a good queen, and an awesome politician. You blow her cover, she let you fight. Politics, no more. In the codex, and in the end, is she become queen, you can read she was (during cailan rule, she was the real ruler) and will be a very good ruler.

I didn't feel it necessary to kill her, but... in my game she was a terrible queen whose political ineptude saw her overthrown by her own father overnight -- which wouldn't be so embarassing if he wasn't horribly incompetent in his own right -- and then sat around helplessly while her realm descended into civil war.