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[The Angry One]

Vengeance is a dish best served cold... it is very cold... in SPACE...



Yes I will channel Ricardo Montalban when I damn well want to!

[Xaila]

The Orlesian noble bastard who stole/killed Loghain's mabari. Seriously, that guy needs to die. No wonder Loghain went down such a bad path.

[The Angry One]

Xaila wrote...

The Orlesian noble bastard who stole/killed Loghain's mabari. Seriously, that guy needs to die. No wonder Loghain went down such a bad path.

So you're saying all we have to do is give Loghain a puppy?

[Mystranna Kelteel]

The Angry One wrote...

So you're saying all we have to do is give Loghain a puppy?

He'd probably kill said puppy and say it was collaborating with Orlais.

[Xaila]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

So you're saying all we have to do is give Loghain a puppy?

He'd probably kill said puppy and say it was collaborating with Orlais.

I dunno, he seems pretty fond of your mabari.  Probably moreso than any other party member, hehe.

[Maria Caliban]

The Angry One wrote...
Whether the people like it or not, the Dalish, Orzammar and the Circle are part of Ferelden..

Saying Orzammar is part of Ferelden is like saying Orlias is part of Ferelden. It's a different kingdom. The Dalish are also not citizen. They wander from nation to nation and accept no human leaders.

Edit: Not talking politically mind you, simply that you have a lot of people who owe you and just might be miffed if something bad happened.

And what? First Enchanter Irving is going to oppose the will of the Landsmeet (and if you'll notice, the Chantry is part of the Landsmeet)? The Dalish are going to storm Denerim in vengeance?

The ancient treaties allow you to lead an army of elves, dwarves, mages, and the human nation against the Blight. In no way, shape, or form are those armies obliged (or even interest) in getting embroiled in a civil war so you can grab the throne of Ferelden.

[The Angry One]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Saying Orzammar is part of Ferelden is like saying Orlias is part of Ferelden. It's a different kingdom. The Dalish are also not citizen. They wander from nation to nation and accept no human leaders.

Which is why I said not politically.
It is geographically part of Ferelden is it not? That's what I mean.

And what? First Enchanter Irving is going to oppose the will of the Landsmeet (and if you'll notice, the Chantry is part of the Landsmeet)? The Dalish are going to storm Denerim in vengeance?

What will? Would they really stand by while their leader against the Blight, the one they owe everything to, is neutralised by some jumped up dictator and his lapdog daughter?

The ancient treaties allow you to lead an army of elves, dwarves, mages, and the human nation against the Blight. In no way, shape, or form are those armies obliged (or even interest) in getting embroiled in a civil war so you can grab the throne of Ferelden.

Once again, if the treaties were the sole basis for them following you, this would be correct.
However, they aren't.

[Walina]

Morrigan and Anora

[Malkut]

The Angry One wrote...

It is geographically part of Ferelden is it not?

It's kind of under Ferelden.

[The Angry One]

As an aside, I'm not even saying they'd definitely follow you against Loghain/Anora, but from *Anora's perspective* you have a large, powerful army backing you.

So only a true arrogant, self-serving, power hungry wench would act against you, and is thus a rat and why I hate her. She's clearly thinking only of the power she may lose.

[Flamin Jesus]

Right, with that entire "owe" thing, we should also not forget something else: If you smell a chance to permanently get rid of someone you owe big time, you don't get miffed, you get the tequila.

All of them (Except maybe Orzammar) may have an interest in fighting back the Blight, but considering they probably don't know about or believe that entire "we absolutely have no means of killing the Archdemon without a Warden"-detail, they'd have every reason to rub their hands when they hear of your untimely demise, exactly BECAUSE they owe you.

[Rattleface]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Right, with that entire "owe" thing, we should also not forget something else: If you smell a chance to permanently get rid of someone you owe big time, you don't get miffed, you get the tequila.
All of them (Except maybe Orzammar) may have an interest in fighting back the Blight, but considering they probably don't know about or believe that entire "we absolutely have no means of killing the Archdemon without a Warden"-detail, they'd have every reason to rub their hands when they hear of your untimely demise, exactly BECAUSE they owe you.

Zathrian is the prime example of this.

[The Angry One]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Right, with that entire "owe" thing, we should also not forget something else: If you smell a chance to permanently get rid of someone you owe big time, you don't get miffed, you get the tequila.
All of them (Except maybe Orzammar) may have an interest in fighting back the Blight, but considering they probably don't know about or believe that entire "we absolutely have no means of killing the Archdemon without a Warden"-detail, they'd have every reason to rub their hands when they hear of your untimely demise, exactly BECAUSE they owe you.

That would only really be true of Bhalean/Harrowmont. Irving and Graegor strike me as loyal, honorable men and the elves or werewolves have every reason to love you.
Even with the dwarves it'd be terminally stupid of them to want you out of the way while the Blight is still raging.

[The Angry One]

Rattleface wrote...

]Zathrian is the prime example of this.

Zathrian is dead in 2 out of 3 outcomes for that quest.

[Maria Caliban]

The Angry One wrote...

Which is why I said not politically.
It is geographically part of Ferelden is it not? That's what I mean.

Er, no. Ferelden is not a geographical creation. It's a political one. The Frostbacks are geographical, and they're claimed by Ferelden, Orzammar, and Orlais.

It's like you're claiming that Canada is geographically part of the USA because they share the Rockies.

What will? Would they really stand by while their leader against the Blight, the one they owe everything to, is neutralised by some jumped up dictator and his lapdog daughter?

No, the Dalish will leave the country. The dwarves will breathe a sigh of relief because - as you're told many times - when there's a Blight on the surface, they can relax. The Circle of Magi will follow the instruction of the Templars and Chantry, and the Chantry in Ferelden abides by the Landsmeet unless Val Rouyux gets involved.

Once again, if the treaties were the sole basis for them following you, this would be correct.
However, they aren't.

They're not following you out of the milk of human kindness. They're following you because of the treaties - no treaties, and they wouldn't help you. Sure, you helped them out and they appreciate it, but that's not what gets them to risk the lives of their members.

[Rattleface]

The Angry One wrote...

Rattleface wrote...

]Zathrian is the prime example of this.

Zathrian is dead in 2 out of 3 outcomes for that quest.

Shut up

[Maria Caliban]

The Angry One wrote...

... from *Anora's perspective* you have a large, powerful army backing you.

Why in the world would she believe that? You're telling me the Queen of Ferelden believes *the Dalish* will attack her armies? Why would she suspect the Circle of siding with you in a civil war?

In her eyes, you have three things: 
1. Alistiar
2. Arl Emmon
3. The respect the banns give Grey Wardens during Blights

[The Angry One]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Er, no. Ferelden is not a geographical creation. It's a political one. The Frostbacks are geographical, and they're claimed by Ferelden, Orzammar, and Orlais.

It's like you're claiming that Canada is geographically part of the USA because they share the Rockies.

Semantics. It's in the map of Ferelden, it's part of Ferelden for the purposes of MANPOWER.

No, the Dalish will leave the country. The dwarves will breathe a sigh of relief because - as you're told many times - when there's a Blight on the surface, they can relax.

You mean before or after the Blight comes knocking on their door?

The Circle of Magi will follow the instruction of the Templars and Chantry, and the Chantry in Ferelden abides by the Landsmeet unless Val Rouyux gets involved.

And yet again, the Circle's Templars are on your side.

They're not following you out of the milk of human kindness. They're following you because of the treaties - no treaties, and they wouldn't help you. Sure, you helped them out and they appreciate it, but that's not what gets them to risk the lives of their members.

Are you seriously saying that the mages and elves wouldn't feel obligated to help after you basically saved their lives?
We're not talking kindness here, we're talking about one good turn deserving another.

[Flamin Jesus]

The Angry One wrote...

That would only really be true of Bhalean/Harrowmont. Irving and Graegor strike me as loyal, honorable men and the elves or werewolves have every reason to love you.
Even with the dwarves it'd be terminally stupid of them to want you out of the way while the Blight is still raging.

Irving and Graegoir however are the least capable of defying the Chantries wishes and going to war, especially a civil war. And Elves or Werewolves? The options I know are either killing the beloved leader of the Elves (Or at least convincing him to give up his life) or slaughtering all Elves and thereby condemning the Werewolves to spend a miserable existance under the curse. Both don't strike me as particularly love-inducing acts of friendship. Whichever group you end up with, your involvement has cost them.

[The Angry One]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

... from *Anora's perspective* you have a large, powerful army backing you.

Why in the world would she believe that? You're telling me the Queen of Ferelden believes *the Dalish* will attack her armies? Why would she suspect the Circle of siding with you in a civil war?

In her eyes, you have three things: 
1. Alistiar
2. Arl Emmon
3. The respect the banns give Grey Wardens during Blights

Well let's see, even common gossips know the Dalish, Dwarves and Circle are gathering together in an army.
Why exactly would the Queen of Ferelden not be aware of this?

[schminck]

I wanted to put Hespith out of her misery so bad.  Besides, she's going to eventually turn into another Broodmother!  But no, my party just walks away... la la la.  You fools!

[Pyro_Monkey]

lol, i did the Human noble origin, and the person i wanted to kill the most was Arl Howe. I got my wish

[KorrickAsh]

Just to add my .02$, Anora had to go. Besides the "save her own ass" move when you ran into Ser Cauthrien, she just had this power hungry attitude. Regardless of how good she was, or if she was running the Kingdom the past 5 years as she said, she was just TOO MUCH like her Father. Way too much ambition, this "I'm the right person no matter what" was the exact same crap that led Loghain to do the crazy things he did. I let Alistair behead Loghain, and I was dissapointed that instead of giving you the option, Alistair just says "lock her in the tower until this is over". She's not Princess Fiona from Shrek, lop her head off and kill off that family line.

[The Angry One]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Irving and Graegoir however are the least capable of defying the Chantries wishes and going to war, especially a civil war.

This assumes that the Chantry would oppose a war in the first place.
Yes they'd go with the will of the Landsmeet.. but I'm pretty sure the will of the Landsmeet does not involve illegally detaining representatives because they might not agree with you like, you know, Anora basically helps do.

And Elves or Werewolves? The options I know are either killing the beloved leader of the Elves (Or at least convincing him to give up his life) or slaughtering all Elves and thereby condemning the Werewolves to spend a miserable existance under the curse. Both don't strike me as particularly love-inducing acts of friendship. Whichever group you end up with, your involvement has cost them.

It's either that or death/werewolf curse for the elves. So yeah, I'd think they'd get over Zathrian.
As for the werewolves, you may not break the curse but they won't blame you for it, instead you side with Swiftrunner and enabled his desire for revenge.
And keep in mind, the werewolves are bound by no treaties, yet follow you anyway.

[Flamin Jesus]

The Angry One wrote...

Well let's see, even common gossips know the Dalish, Dwarves and Circle are gathering together in an army.
Why exactly would the Queen of Ferelden not be aware of this?

There's still a difference between gathering an army against a common foe or gathering an army to benefit what could well be considered your personal agenda.