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[CMP023]

So, I got REALLY spooked when I bought the amulet Flemeth gave me to its destination point.

It was just a matter of letting the thing lay there... and BOOM out comes a witch I busted my arse trying to kill in DAO. 

It was rather obvious she would be a very important character since DAO, and when she tells the champion (In DA2) that his struggles are just begining, you get the feel she has some kind of plan/vision for the future Champion of Kirkwall. 

However, she never appears again after poping out of the amulet...... as far as you know. If you talk to Sandal, at some point he tells you "He is afraid of the old lady that appears in the house at night" and that "She has a scary laugh". 

So, yeah, the witch probably wanders around your house, gigling and stuff, and probably knows more about things to come than anyone else (including Bioware lol). But why?
Also, after Sandal tells you about this, and you asked Merril to move in with you, he seems rather distressed about her and the Elluvian. Not in a "Girl, you spend too much time with that thing" kinda way either. Merril states that Sandal constantly watches her. So, Sandal assures he is seeing who seems to be Flemeth at night, and then is greatly interested/distressed about Merril and her Elluvian. Which is the gate to wherever Morrigan went to raise her child....after she had Flemeth killed. So, yeah.... 

It may be good to mention that after Merrils "fail attempt" of repairing the Elluvian, the thing is never seen anywhere again. Its not in her house, its not in your house, and Im pretty sure she did not just threw it in a dumpster behind the allienage. So what happened to it?

Also, at the very end, when Varric finishes telling his story, the Seeker goes out, and meets Leliana. After that, it is said that "The champion has disapeared, just like the Warden did" and that "It cant be a coincidence"... I am assuming that the Warden is in fact the hero of Ferelden.

So, I am seeing some kind of common denominator here: Some dude meets the Witch of the Wilds, she has some kind of need for him, and afterwards.... he  disapears. Also, the fact that Morrigan and Flemeth talk/know about "Changes to come".. Oh, and lets not forget the Old-God-possesed-child Morrigan is raising in what appears to be another dimension.... 

 Something quite funky is going on. When you look at it this way, it seems like the events of DA2 are just like an introduction to whats about to happen. A bridge between DAO and DA3 if you will. And a way for Bioware to earn extra sovereigns in the process lol.

What do you think?

Modifié par CMP023, 23 mars 2011 - 06:15 .

[Sloth22]

I was wondering what happened to the Elluvian too. But i dont know whats going on with Flemeth but she's defenetly doing somthing big. I also though Morrigan would at least have some mention in the game with the Elluvian, but i hope she is involved in DA3.

[crerns2]

I keep getting a Madam Web vibe from Flemmeth. She never fights herself, but is always behind the scenes, pulling strings and pushing the hero towards a goal that he or she can't even guess at.

[Buckarama]

I can't ever get Merril to move in with me, and the mirror is always at her house.

[Kenshen]

Merril said she needed the demon who helped her before to help again. When you get to where the demon is suppose to be it is gone. Then the whole thing with the keeper so Merril never got that last piece of intel she needed to fix it or so she thinks. In the end it wasn't going to work like Merril had hoped. Instead it was going to be a way for that demon to free itself from the prision it was in.

The Elluvian's connected to each other to allow communation for great distances. My thinking was walking through one would put you on the other side of where ever the second was. I don't think it is another dimension.

[Kartikeya]

That dialogue about the old lady with the scary laugh had me convinced Flemeth was going to turn up at the climax, but she didn't. (It makes sense, she seems to be a very 'do your own hero stuff' sort of immortal crazywitch). Which leads me to wonder...what's she doing around Hawke's house? For that matter, what's she still doing around Kirkwall years after you bring her back?

Creepy. That's assuming, of course, that Sandal's telling the truth, but it seems a very very strange coincidence if he's not that he would come up with a description that fits Flemeth so well.

[Sloth22]

I think that sandal is telling he truth and that its Flemeth, I think she has somthing planned for Hawke and the Warden.

[tanerb123]

one would think she'd be vengeful against the warden. i mean i really didnt want to kill her but that dam morrigan kinda tempted me

[Kenshen]

Sloth22 wrote...

I think that sandal is telling he truth and that its Flemeth, I think she has somthing planned for Hawke and the Warden.

My thinking it is Sandal she has plans for not Hawke or the Warden.  So far really the only connection between the two hero's is our favorite enchanter or is he really a dwarf mage hmmm.

[Maria Caliban]

All those years when Hawke that Isabela was sneaking into the house to rummage through her things and steal her dresses? Flemeth.

[Sloth22]

aryon69 wrote...

My thinking it is Sandal she has plans for not Hawke or the Warden.  So far really the only connection between the two hero's is our favorite enchanter or is he really a dwarf mage hmmm.

Well the connection i thought was that they both had contact with Flemeth and they both "dissapeared" and we don't know why. Also Cassandra said that its defenetly not a coincidence at the end of the game.

[Osmedirez]

I've got it. Future DLC - Hawke goes back to his estate one last time to do some buesiness. No matter how you finish the game, sticking around in Kirkwall is bad.. but he comes home to find Flemeth waiting with another task for him.... which blah blah blah gives some reason for Hawke being 'vanished' in Varric's story about him. Though after beating the game I can't help but think that Varric might know exactly where Hawke is.. he has admitted several times to being a, shall we say, practiced liar.

[Sloth22]

That would be cool dlc, but what would Flemeth need from Hawke now? And i think Varric knows more than he says too.

[Kenshen]

Sloth22 wrote...

aryon69 wrote...

My thinking it is Sandal she has plans for not Hawke or the Warden.  So far really the only connection between the two hero's is our favorite enchanter or is he really a dwarf mage hmmm.

Well the connection i thought was that they both had contact with Flemeth and they both "dissapeared" and we don't know why. Also Cassandra said that its defenetly not a coincidence at the end of the game.

Then why would she be visiting Sandal at night when he is sleeping.  When it comes to Flemeth and what she is up too is anyones guess I suppose.  Now one thing that it seems to me is once you have done a task for Flemeth she seems to be done with them.  Warden took Morrigan away and if you decided too you also beat Flemeth down or so we thought to get that book then nothing.  Hawke was just a courrier and once that job was done we never see her again.  But Sandal was with both during important parts of history so that is why I think he is the key.

[CMP023]

aryon69 wrote...
The Elluvian's connected to each other to allow communation for great distances. My thinking was walking through one would put you on the other side of where ever the second was. I don't think it is another dimension.

At the very end of Witchhunt, if you ask Morrigan where she is going, she tells you that the Elluvian is a gateway to another place, even beyond the Fade. I dont mean that wherever she went is another dimension per se, but a place that no one is aware of. And remember that you have the option of going with Morrigan into the Elluvian, which, if you chose to do this, could be one of the explanations of why the Hero of Ferelden went missing. So, if the Champion went missing too, and Leliana and the Seeker dont think its a coincidence, then the only link between the two is Morrigan/Flemeth.

Also, it might be probable that Flemeth was interested in Sandal, as some of you pointed out, but the couple of hints that Flemeth gives the Champion about  his future and his struggles.. It seems she is rather interested in him. And if she was indeed interested in Sandal, I doubt that appearing at night laughing and creeping the hell out of him was her plan. I feel like she was in the house checking the Champions progress, or something else.

In short, this is how I see it:

DAO---------- Presents the lore of the fictional world, its history, factions etc. Starts developing a story in this world.
DA2----------- The world that was presented to us starts to change (Qunari vs Kirkwall, Ferelden vs Orleais (sp?),                                            Chantry vs Mages) Bridges DAO with events to come (In DLC and DA3)
DA3----------- Hell breaks loose

Modifié par CMP023, 24 mars 2011 - 10:46 .

[LightningSamus]

Remember Morrigans child is optional because you could choose the sacrifice ending.

I wonder what happens if you don't kill flemeth in origins.

Maybe a new hero in DA III, i hope so anyways.

Modifié par LightningSamus, 24 mars 2011 - 11:07 .

[Darker_than_black]

<Minior spoiler ahead for those who haven't read Dragon Age: The stolen throne>

If you have read Dragon Age: The stolen throne by David Gaider (lead designer of DAO), which takes place about 30 years before Dragon Age Origins, you also find out that Maric and Loghain meets Flemeth in the Korcari Wilds and that Maric makes a promise to her, though you never find out  exactly what that promise is.

So Flemeth likes to be slightly involved and say cryptic things to the leading roll character in each story it seems (Maric, The Warden, Hawke).


Off topic: This has nothing to do with this but since The stolen throne takes place about 30 years before the events of DAO Loghain must be somewhere between 50 and 60 years old in that game. And he just doesn't look that old to me.

[Suron]

you're "assuming the warden is in fact the hero of ferelden" ?????

you mean him being CALLED THAT at the end of origins wasn't enough?

ok then.

[Suron]

aryon69 wrote...

Sloth22 wrote...

I think that sandal is telling he truth and that its Flemeth, I think she has somthing planned for Hawke and the Warden.

My thinking it is Sandal she has plans for not Hawke or the Warden.  So far really the only connection between the two hero's is our favorite enchanter or is he really a dwarf mage hmmm.

Well in the Deep Roads Sandal does show up with dead Darkspawn again..you go "wtf" and he holds out that rune thing and says "booooooooom"...then looks at a frozen Ogre and says "Not Enchantment"

so apparently it's not one of his bombs..and it wasn't an enchantment that froze the Ogre.....put 2 and 2 together.

[CMP023]

Suron wrote...

you're "assuming the warden is in fact the hero of ferelden" ?????

you mean him being CALLED THAT at the end of origins wasn't enough?

ok then.

Well, there is not only 1 Warden, you know? They COULD have meant Anders... And the reason  they mostly called the hero of ferelden  "the warden" or simply "warden" most of the game was because he had no (known) name.

But the Hero of Ferelden seems  more fiting in this particular context. So yes, this is an educated assumption, not 100%  fact.

Also, the disapearance of the Hero of Ferelden is relatively recent. If you remember, there is a letter you pick up in Kirkwall, from the Warden-Commander of Ferelden. So that means he disapeared near  the end of DA2.

Maybe thats what the Wardens in Kirkwall where doing? Searching for him? Just so you know, this IS an assumption lol (and a wild one at that).

It is indeed good that you pointed out Sandals kick ass moments... I never really realized how he managed to kill all those darkspawn.. Maybe he is somehow capable of performing magic? I mean, how else did he froze an ogre without an enchantment? And this would explain why Flemeth could be, for some reason, interested in him.

LightningSamus wrote...

Remember Morrigans child is optional because you could choose the sacrifice ending.

I wonder what happens if you don't kill flemeth in origins.

Maybe a new hero in DA III, i hope so anyways.

Yes, you are right. But if you do not chose the sacrifice ending, you either: a) Chose to do the dark ritual with morrigan or Sent someone else to kill the archdemon.

Obviously, if you choose the sacrifice ending, your Warden cant go missing later on.

Anyway, the Hero of Ferelden either dies, or goes missing afterwards. I am pretty sure too that the Dark Ritual was not just some alternative ending, but a strong pointer that Morrigan and Flemeth are onto something.

And I am curious, too, about what happens if you dont kill Flemeth. Im pretty sure she still appears in DA2, but what reason does she give for being locked up in the amulet? I guess thats another playthrough Ill have to make lol.

Modifié par CMP023, 24 mars 2011 - 12:59 .

[Sloth22]

CMP023 wrote...

Well, there is not only 1 Warden, you know? They COULD have meant Anders... And the reason  they mostly called the hero of ferelden  "the warden" or simply "warden" most of the game was because he had no (known) name.

When they said "the warden" i figured if it didnt mean the Hero of Ferelden then it meant the warden commader who could be a completly different person depeding on what happened with the end of origins.

Modifié par Sloth22, 24 mars 2011 - 08:20 .

[Blacklash93]

I think we'll get a "Witch Hunt" DLC for Flemeth.

Perhaps with her witch army in the Destiny trailer.

[brushyourteeth]

I'm fairly certain that Flemeth is an Old God (my money's on Zazikel - the Dragon of Chaos from the Second Blight). All it would take is one pregnant Grey Warden and BAM - liberated Old God baby. Which would totally explain how she knew to send Morrigan on the same errand. And how she IS a dragon.

Flemeth doesn't seem to really be good or evil -- she shows genuine compassion sometimes but kills her daughters and steals their bodies when hers gets arthritic. She's crazy, and she has her own mysterious agenda.

I figured the scary lady was just some ghost Sandal could see if the Veil was fragile since he's all mage-y. But Flemeth... that's interesting to think about. I have a hard time imagining Sandal being afraid of anything so that's intruiging indeed.

[Sloth22]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'm fairly certain that Flemeth is an Old God (my money's on Zazikel - the Dragon of Chaos from the Second Blight). All it would take is one pregnant Grey Warden and BAM - liberated Old God baby. Which would totally explain how she knew to send Morrigan on the same errand. And how she IS a dragon.

If Flemeth is an Old God wouldn't she be immortal? She is trying to take Morrigan's body so she can stay alive right?

[Curlain]

Hearing Sandal's talk about what sounds like Flemeth laughing over his bed caused me to raise my eyebrow a bit, I really would have thought Flemeth would have better things to do then sneak into Hawke's house night after and night and laugh over Sandal's bed.

But then, maybe not, she's more then a little crazy, and maybe she has a crush on Hawke and likes creeping out Sandal (maybe creeping Sandal out is Flemeth's big plan) oh well, was certainly interesting to hear