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[mesmerizedish]

the_one_54321 wrote...

So they should write gay characters.

And, though I was being satirical earlier, in fact I really am the one living without the options now. There are no straight characters.

Bull****. There aren't any lesbian characters, but I'm not complaining.

[the_one_54321]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
But it's a game. You don't have to crap on people like that. If there are more characters who are specifically straight or gay, then someone's going to complain about the straights got more interesting characters, or how the gays got hotter characters. The best option is to give everyone the same romances.

Someone is going to complain like hell about it no matter how they do it. At least the complaint won't be "you wrote it badly."

[mesmerizedish]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Someone is going to complain like hell about it no matter how they do it. At least the complaint won't be "you wrote it badly."

But the characters weren't written badly. Sexual identity just isn't an important part of Merrill's personality.

[the_one_54321]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Someone is going to complain like hell about it no matter how they do it. At least the complaint won't be "you wrote it badly."

But the characters weren't written badly. Sexual identity just isn't an important part of Merrill's personality.

Then she shouldn't be a romance option! If you can't define what a character prefers in romance, why is the character a romance option? 

A character that is a blank doll is a badly written character.

[Deified Data]

Joe_8998 wrote...


Anyway, it really seems like a copout to make all the companions bisexual. Maybe they wanted to make it so that anyone could romance any party member, and not have to worry about gender or starting a new playthrough to experience it.

Yup, you hit the nail on the head - that's it. The entire party's bisexual so any player can romance any party member. I thought this was common knowledge, and generally regarded as a "good thing" by most sane folk? Maybe not.

[Ryzaki]

@the one: Your complaint is that you can't romance a female with a male because insome alternate game she might romance a female.

That's your fault. BW gave you a heterosexual romance option. You just don't want them because they might not be heterosexual in an alternate game universe.

That's like me saying I don't want to play any origin other than HN because in some alternate game playing a CE may result in Vaughn being dead. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2011 - 09:35 .

[Frybread76]

I think the only two characters who are bisexual are Anders and Isabella. Anders because he talks about women in DA:A and comes onto you if you are a guy in DA2. Isabella because she talks about having sex with both women and men.

[CLime]

Counterfactual world, bro. Hawke's gender is determined 20-something years before the game even begins. Who's to say that determination didn't have other, wider-ranging impacts?

If it bothers you that much, Anders and Isabella are bi, Fenris and Merrill are straight, but everyone is Hawkeosexual.

[mesmerizedish]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Then she shouldn't be a romance option! If you can't define what a character prefers in romance, why is the character a romance option? 

A character that is a blank doll is a badly written character.

You couldn't define what characters prefer in romances before, either. Maybe Morrigan really didn't like blondes. Maybe Alistair was only attracted to.. heftier... women. You can't define LIs' "preferences" except to say that they prefer the player.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 23 mars 2011 - 09:36 .

[the_one_54321]

Ryzaki wrote...
@the one: Your complaint is that you can't romance a female with a male because insome alternate game she might romance a female.

No, my complaint is that a blank doll (even if partially blank) is a badly written character.

[the_one_54321]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
You couldn't define what characters prefer in romances before, either. Maybe Morrigan really didn't like blondes. Maybe Alistair was only attracted to.. heftier... women. You can't define LIs' "preferences" except to say that they prefer the player.

On the contrary, there were specific things you had to do to be able to romance. Even if they weren't based on how the character's appearance.

[City6]

the_one_54321 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Someone is going to complain like hell about it no matter how they do it. At least the complaint won't be "you wrote it badly."

But the characters weren't written badly. Sexual identity just isn't an important part of Merrill's personality.

Then she shouldn't be a romance option! If you can't define what a character prefers in romance, why is the character a romance option? 

A character that is a blank doll is a badly written character.

I really think you should play theough the different romances.

You're acting like all they do is change pronouns. They don't.

[mesmerizedish]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
@the one: Your complaint is that you can't romance a female with a male because insome alternate game she might romance a female.

No, my complaint is that a blank doll (even if partially blank) is a badly written character.

But they're only blank if you insist that they are. I think that they're all actually bisexual. There's more support for my view than for yours.

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
@the one: Your complaint is that you can't romance a female with a male because insome alternate game she might romance a female.

No, my complaint is that a blank doll (even if partially blank) is a badly written character.

She's not a blank doll. 

Not even close. 

She has the same exact personality, history and everything else. The only difference is she is open to a relationship with FemHawke. That in no way shape or form makes her a doll. 

And once again I guess you think Leliana, Alistair and Morrigan are dolls as well? Because in alternate games their personalities changes widely. 

Is Loghain a doll because he can grow to respect the PC?

Is Fergus a doll? Duncan? 

Vaughn?

Zevran? He can open himself up to love in one game while remaining a rogue in others. Is he too a doll? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2011 - 09:41 .

[the_one_54321]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
But they're only blank if you insist that they are. I think that they're all actually bisexual. There's more support for my view than for yours.

No, I don't decide that they are blank or not. The writers decided that they were blank. I am not a character. My knowledge is not limited to what happens in only one playthrough. I am the player and I know everything going on behind the curtains.

If the character is a blank doll it's a badly written character.

[City6]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
@the one: Your complaint is that you can't romance a female with a male because insome alternate game she might romance a female.

No, my complaint is that a blank doll (even if partially blank) is a badly written character.

You clearly haven't played through the same sex romances You have no idea how well they are written, or not.

[mesmerizedish]

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Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 23 mars 2011 - 09:39 .

[mesmerizedish]

the_one_54321 wrote...

On the contrary, there were specific things you had to do to be able to romance. Even if they weren't based on how the character's appearance.

Right, things like "don't be an ass," "don't help puppies out of trees," and "don't make Alistair dump you because you can't have kids." These are actions and decisions that the PC makes, not what they're hiding beneath their pantaloons.

Which returns to one of my original statements: could the romances have been better? Yes. But that has nothing to do with them being bisexual.

[the_one_54321]

Ryzaki wrote...
She has the same exact personality, history and everything else. The only difference is she is open to a relationship with FemHawke. That in no way shape or form makes her a doll.

Then it's lazy that they made only bi characters instead of a range of characters.

They should have made a range of different characters.

[City6]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
@the one: Your complaint is that you can't romance a female with a male because insome alternate game she might romance a female.

No, my complaint is that a blank doll (even if partially blank) is a badly written character.

But they're only blank if you insist that they are. I think that they're all actually bisexual. There's more support for my view than for yours.

Given that there appear to be same sex relationships through the history given in the in-game codex entires, I think it's safe to say that this world is far more open and accepting of different relationships.


Perhaps the complaint should be there aren't *enough* bisexual companions, given the texture or the game world.

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
She has the same exact personality, history and everything else. The only difference is she is open to a relationship with FemHawke. That in no way shape or form makes her a doll.

Then it's lazy that they made only bi characters instead of a range of characters.

They should have made a range of different characters.

I'm so sick of the "it's lazy." 

Have you even played the game? 

Done any of the romances? 

Do that and then tell me how "lazy" they were with the bi romances. 

[the_one_54321]

Strawman. Potentially ad homenim as well.

It would have been better if they had written a range of characters.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Which returns to one of my
original statements: could the romances have been better? Yes. But that
has nothing to do with them being bisexual.

But I'm not saying the romances were bad in or of themselves. Maybe Anders romance was great. I don't know, I'm never going to play a male romance.

It's still a bad writing decision to make everyone bi. There were a couple of posters a page or so back that put it rather well, how it cheapens the whole concept of some of the characters not being heterosexual. Heck one of them even said he was offended that the sexuality thing was treated so cheaply. (I'm assuming that poster was a guy, appologies if not)

Modifié par the_one_54321, 23 mars 2011 - 09:45 .

[City6]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
She has the same exact personality, history and everything else. The only difference is she is open to a relationship with FemHawke. That in no way shape or form makes her a doll.

Then it's lazy that they made only bi characters instead of a range of characters.

They should have made a range of different characters.

Why? On one play-though (which is what 95% of people do) you want to choice to romance the person you want to romance.

The biggest complant in the 4000 post Romances thread for DA:O was that a male warden could get Alistair drunk and play naked Twister.

[Ryzaki]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Strawman. Potentially ad homenim as well.

It would have been better if they had written a range of characters.

How is that a strawman? 

You keep throwing "lazy" around but you haven't actually played the game. Do you even know how developed and different the characters are?

I felt the romances were different enough between the genders. 

You mention a range of characters. Well the 4 LIs are already pretty diverse. Izzy is free and loose with her affections, Anders is clingy and a bit obsessive, Merrill is slow (I haven't played it so I can't make too many judgement calls), Fen runs away for a while afterward. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 mars 2011 - 09:47 .

[mesmerizedish]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Strawman. Potentially ad homenim as well.

It would have been better if they had written a range of characters.

I'm beginning to think that your issue really is just "I don't like the thought of my LI being in a s/s romance in someone else's game."

The reasons that they can't write a bunch of characters far outweigh any negative consequences of having four bisexual LIs. Or did you not play ME2?