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[Kawamura]

fluorine7 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

I would argue that people aren't born a specific sexual orientation, they develop one; I think most aspects of human sexuality are a big mix of nature and nurture and the events that occur in one's life have an impact on all parts of sexuality from orientation to gender identity and expression... but yes, people don't pick.

I would also imagine that there are a good number of people who are monosexual than they think. Many folks I'v spoken to will identify as ****** or heterosexual yet have one or two people that didn't fit that trend.

I like that the characters are bisexual. I like that I get to play a gay man and go after the guy I want, instead of being closed off based on the sex of my character.

That's a refreshing idea, and it make sense to me. But it also opens the door for parents who believes they can "educate" their children to be straight or gay (mostly they want them straight lol), and further more, parents will blame society and media for "exposing" their children to different sexual orentation. 

I personally believes we're ALL born bisexual. Some of us attracted more to obsite sex, some of us attracted more to the same sex. Some of us goes back and forth.... 

I don't mind characters being bi. The story don't really mention their previous experience, but even if they do, and they end up interested in female, while romancing a male Hawke, I won't mind. 

Besides, the way I see it, everytime you start a new game, everything is being shuffled and start anew with you. Anders is straight in previous run through, he might be gay this time. 

Ah, yes. But having something so easy as a "gay gene" opens up the door for people looking for it to fix it in gene therapy. I've heard that. From -- what, Crick is it? He's an odd one. It just seems that humans are such social creatures, very little of us is going to be entirely biological/set by birth. And even our genetic material changes as we get older (see: the problem of why twins will develop different cancers). Not everything biological is genetic, either, as the environment of the womb seems to play into our sexual orientation as well.

I wouldn't say that we're all born bisexual, though. For example, I dont' remember having much of a sexual orientation before puberty.

Human beings are complex. I personally find suspicious any answer other than that. *laughs* So I'm obviously not objective at all.

[Kawamura]

[weird double post! Whoops!]

Modifié par Kawamura, 23 mars 2011 - 11:22 .

[Maria Caliban]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

No, it's just that some people get really upset about the idea that the character might be different across different playthroughs.

Before anyone uses the word...

Metagaming is using out-of-character knowledge when making in-character decisions. It became an insult because it can be considered a form of cheating and it undermines one of the conceits of RPing. Even then, there are many RPGs were you are expected and encouraged to metagame.

Using out-of-character knowledge when talking on an internet message board about a game is not metagaming, it's having a conversation.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 23 mars 2011 - 11:24 .

[Riona45]

Kawamura wrote...

Ah, yes. But having something so easy as a "gay gene" opens up the door for people looking for it to fix it in gene therapy. I've heard that.

True--in that case the issue just gets reframed as some sort of malady that needs to be cured.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

No, it's just that some people get really upset about the idea that the character might be different across different playthroughs.

Before anyone uses the word...

Metagaming is using out-of-character knowledge when making in-character decisions. It became an insult because it can be considered a form of cheating and it undermines one of the conceits of RPing. Even then, there are many RPGs were you are expected and encouraged to metagame.

Using out-of-character knowledge when talking on an internet message board about a game is not metagaming, it's having a conversation.

I have never used "the word." Just sayin'

[EDIT] I mean, I have, of course. Just not in this context.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 23 mars 2011 - 11:26 .

[Kawamura]

Riona45 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Ah, yes. But having something so easy as a "gay gene" opens up the door for people looking for it to fix it in gene therapy. I've heard that.

True--in that case the issue just gets reframed as some sort of malady that needs to be cured.

Hey. Even if I say it's complex, it can still be something to be "fixed".  After all, cancer is complex. Depression is complex. People want to cure those, even if they have complexities.

No matter what one does, being LGBT will always been seen as something to be fixed by some folks. That's just the way of the world. I always feel sorry for (us?) bi-folks, as they don't always get accepted by the LG part of the community. Trans folks often get that, too.

Modifié par Kawamura, 23 mars 2011 - 11:28 .

[The Angry One]

You know maybe, just maybe in a society like Thedas that does not appear to seek to openly crush homosexuality or sexuality for that matter (they're too busy crushing mages instead you see), people are more free to openly choose their partners based on what that person means to them regardless of gender.
There doesn't need to be a "justification".

[Kawamura]

The Angry One wrote...

You know maybe, just maybe in a society like Thedas that does not appear to seek to openly crush homosexuality or sexuality for that matter (they're too busy crushing mages instead you see), people are more free to openly choose their partners based on what that person means to them regardless of gender.
There doesn't need to be a "justification".

There seems to be some "boy, that's odd" going on depending on where you go.

I know my Warden had a chance when romancing Zev to be like "wait, dudes?" and Zev responded, "oh, right, you Fereldans are so backwards" or something to the effect.

[Maria Caliban]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I have never used "the word." Just sayin'

[EDIT] I mean, I have, of course. Just not in this context.

I know. <3

[The Angry One]

Kawamura wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know maybe, just maybe in a society like Thedas that does not appear to seek to openly crush homosexuality or sexuality for that matter (they're too busy crushing mages instead you see), people are more free to openly choose their partners based on what that person means to them regardless of gender.
There doesn't need to be a "justification".

There seems to be some "boy, that's odd" going on depending on where you go.

I know my Warden had a chance when romancing Zev to be like "wait, dudes?" and Zev responded, "oh, right, you Fereldans are so backwards" or something to the effect.

There will always be a type of people who'll go "that's weird!".
The difference in Thedas, at least is that homosexuality doesn't appear to be denounced as sin and openly persecuted as in the similar eras of our history.

[fluorine7]

Riona45 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

Ah, yes. But having something so easy as a "gay gene" opens up the door for people looking for it to fix it in gene therapy. I've heard that.

True--in that case the issue just gets reframed as some sort of malady that needs to be cured.

I think it all goes back to the idea that "homosexuality is bad". If we have no objection to homosexuality or bisexuality, there's no need to "fix" anything, either by gene or by education. No one feel the need to fix blue eyes or darker skin, no one think it is necessary to force someone out of enjoying Mozart or Jazz. 

Back to the game itself. 

As much as I hate it, Metagaming is unavoitable. You know what you know, you can't "unknow" that. But it is unfair to make judgement of the story, game play and character based on information you know on multiple play through while the game is meant to be enjoyed one play through at a time. 

[edit for typos...so many typos....]

Modifié par fluorine7, 23 mars 2011 - 11:44 .

[Kawamura]

The Angry One wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

You know maybe, just maybe in a society like Thedas that does not appear to seek to openly crush homosexuality or sexuality for that matter (they're too busy crushing mages instead you see), people are more free to openly choose their partners based on what that person means to them regardless of gender.
There doesn't need to be a "justification".

There seems to be some "boy, that's odd" going on depending on where you go.

I know my Warden had a chance when romancing Zev to be like "wait, dudes?" and Zev responded, "oh, right, you Fereldans are so backwards" or something to the effect.

There will always be a type of people who'll go "that's weird!".
The difference in Thedas, at least is that homosexuality doesn't appear to be denounced as sin and openly persecuted as in the similar eras of our history.

That's true. It doesn't seem to be exactly all that normal in Fereldan, but it's certianly not the "evil" that it can be in our world. At least, nothing I've seen points to that.

[mesmerizedish]

Kawamura wrote...

That's true. It doesn't seem to be exactly all that normal in Fereldan, but it's certianly not the "evil" that it can be in our world. At least, nothing I've seen points to that.

Mr. Gaider has said several times that the prevailing few is that it's peculiar, but not anything you'd think twice about. Herren and Wade, for example... you're never given any sort of dialogue option to question their relationship because, while you may initially think "Odd," you immediately stop thinking about it, just as if the couple were interracial or if there was a dramatic age difference.

[Kawamura]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

That's true. It doesn't seem to be exactly all that normal in Fereldan, but it's certianly not the "evil" that it can be in our world. At least, nothing I've seen points to that.

Mr. Gaider has said several times that the prevailing few is that it's peculiar, but not anything you'd think twice about. Herren and Wade, for example... you're never given any sort of dialogue option to question their relationship because, while you may initially think "Odd," you immediately stop thinking about it, just as if the couple were interracial or if there was a dramatic age difference.

That would be the much more specific word I was looking for. I swear, I used to have better English.

[Dan-mac RI]

Maria Caliban wrote...

What is the obvious reason for Isabela to be bisexual?

Because apparently women have 6 uses.

[Trophonius]

Or with Julien and Nicolas, who were a couple and weren't treated as anything less by the other Grey Wardens. It was just one facet of who they were.

[mesmerizedish]

Trophonius wrote...

Or with Julien and Nicolas, who were a couple and weren't treated as anything less by the other Grey Wardens. It was just one facet of who they were.

Who? Are they in one of the novels?

[Trophonius]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

Or with Julien and Nicolas, who were a couple and weren't treated as anything less by the other Grey Wardens. It was just one facet of who they were.

Who? Are they in one of the novels?

They were Orlesian Grey Wardens from The Calling. A tragic relationship they had too.

[Sabariel]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

Or with Julien and Nicolas, who were a couple and weren't treated as anything less by the other Grey Wardens. It was just one facet of who they were.

Who? Are they in one of the novels?

Yeup. The second novel

[fluorine7]

I like Herren and Wade. Wade remind me of a friend, although his boyfriend is a lot nicer than Herren.

[Maria Caliban]

Dan-mac RI wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

What is the obvious reason for Isabela to be bisexual?

Because apparently women have 6 uses.

Why not just go gay then?

[Mr.House]

Harren and Wade are an awesome couple.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dan-mac RI wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

What is the obvious reason for Isabela to be bisexual?

Because apparently women have 6 uses.

Why not just go gay then?

Hey. You can't put a label on love.

[Mr.House]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dan-mac RI wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

What is the obvious reason for Isabela to be bisexual?

Because apparently women have 6 uses.

Why not just go gay then?

Hey. You can't put a label on love.

Love? What about lust?

Modifié par Mr.House, 24 mars 2011 - 12:12 .

[Sabariel]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Dan-mac RI wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

What is the obvious reason for Isabela to be bisexual?

Because apparently women have 6 uses.

Why not just go gay then?

Because that would "weaken her character"