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The Penultimate Runes of Fortune and +Coin Items Thread


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.... well, hopefully. It needs some help, but is off to a good start.

I've seen a lot of questions about these items, generally coupled with a "Is it worth it?" I also wanted to know as I was playing the game, mainly because money is in short supply. And why would I want to waste slots? Everything in here I tested in game, but I would be shocked if other people did not notice it before me. :D

FAQ

1. Do Runes of Fortune stack? Yes. Feel free to check this in game by having two shields, one with a single RoF and a second with two RoF's. Save before you check a coin drop, and see the results when you switch the items.

2. Do RoF's and +Coin items stack? Yes. You can verify yourself by the same process as you did for RoF's.

3. Do the +coin items all add the same amount? Nope. For example, the string of pearls appears to add 1.5% to a base coin drop, while the Amulet of Influence adds 2%.

4. Does it matter which companion has the gear equipped? Nope, as long as they are in your active party. Having RoF's or +coin items on a party member not adventuring with you does not increase the money you get. Bummer, I know.

5. Is there an upper limit to how many RoF's stack? Not that I've found yet. I was still getting increases with 4 RoF's on Hawke, 4 on Companion Armor, and 2 on a Shield.

6. Does it matter where the RoF's are? YES. This was the most surprising thing to me. So, yes the strategy guide is wrong or Bioware changed the game after it went to press. 

7. So what are the different values? I'm glad you asked...

A RoF on companion armor will increase the base coin drop by 10%. It stacks. Fenris in Act 3 can thus add 30% to your coin drops if he is in your active party. This10% bonus appears to be consistent across companions (Veriified on Aveline).

A RoF on a shield will increase the base coin drop by 3.75%. It stacks. The quality of the shield does not appear to matter (tested on Lion of Orlais and Amnell Family Shield).

A RoF on Hawkes Chest Armor increases the base coin drop by 5%. It stacks. Tested on two different late game armor pieces.

A RoF on boots appears to increase the base coin drop by 1.8%, but I only had one boot item to check with, and it was the Boots of Winter. So, additional testing for confirmation is probably a good idea. The percentage seems odd.

The String of Pearls (Belt) adds 1.5% to the base coin drop. It doesn't matter if the belt is on Hawke or a companion in your active party.

The Amulet of Influence adds  2% to the base coin drop. It doesn't matter if the belt is on Hawke or a companion in your active party.

8. So what does it all mean? Well, it means that the most cost-effective location for RoF is on your companions you will use in party. It also means that the Amulet of Influence is probably not worth buying in Act 1, as it will not pay for itself until you have found 50 gold worth of BASE coin drops. And you are losing that amulet slot the whole time as well.

Another implication is that it probably isn't worth it to buy the Bulwark shield for Aveline/warrior from the Black Emporium for RoF purposes. That shield costs about 6.5gold to make better than the Lion of Orlais shield many people got for free, and at that price you would need to find at least 57 gold worth of base drops.

9. What other information is needed? There are still other +coin items to test and locate. If the late game +coin amulets and rings aslo drop the low percentages of the String of Pearls and Amulet of influence, I think it is safe to give them a pass. Also, if the bonus of Hawkes' boots is fixed or dependant on the item equiped. Same for the helm slot. If people have one of those items and can test, please do so and post below!



*Testing Procedure Used: I found a crate that dropped some silver in act 3. I had saved before interacting with it, so its contents were unspoiled. I then went back to base, removed all items and runes from everybody but those I wanted to test, and gradually went back to the crate and saved, wrote down results, loaded, equipped another item, checked results, etc.

Modifié par AKOdin, 24 mars 2011 - 12:31 .


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Some remaining questions are- do different +coin items add different percentages on a per item basis or a slot basis. IE, Will all amulets with +coin add 2%, or just the amulet of influence? Same for rings, boots, helms, etc...

Also, the value of a RoF in a Hawke helm or gloves. Anyone with info, feel free to chime in!

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TVM for compiling this great info!

Just to make sure, if I'm not wearing any coin/loot items when I kill someone, they can still have the effect as long as I put them on a party member before checking the bodies, correct?

BTW, you do realize that by "Penultimate" this means it will be the "second to the last" thread?:whistle:

Modifié par naughty99, 24 mars 2011 - 12:24 .


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naughty99 wrote...

TVM for compiling this great info!

Just to make sure, if I'm not wearing any coin/loot items when I kill someone, they can still have the effect as long as I put them on a party member before checking the bodies, correct?

BTW, you do realize that by "Penultimate" this means it will be the "second to the last" thread?:whistle:


Yep, I myself did that with Aveline and the Bulwark shield in Act 1 after big fights.

And yes, this is the penultimate thread because a Bioware Dev could create one that would render it irrelevant! Its kinda humble, that way, methinks... :innocent:

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quick question... is it calculated on killing the mob or looting him?

might be a good call to grab the highest socket gear you can find and put RoFs in them in nightmare.

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I'll be holding off until the ultimate thread is released.

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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'll be holding off until the ultimate thread is released.


*nods* Yes, if we had a firm date on the Bioware Dev Reveal I would have waited as well. But! You could help with checking some of the items and then maybe it would truly be the ultimate thread....

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Another implication is that it probably isn't worth it to buy the Bulwark shield for Aveline/warrior from the Black Emporium for RoF purposes. That shield costs about 6.5gold to make better than the Lion of Orlais shield many people got for free, and at that price you would need to find at least 57 gold worth of base drops.


What if you're one of the people who don't have the SE or w/e it is that lets you get the Lion of Orlais? I only have the Black Emporium. Is there another shield I can get with 2 rune slots, and if not, would it be worth it to buy the Bulwark then?

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Trapslick wrote...

quick question... is it calculated on killing the mob or looting him?

might be a good call to grab the highest socket gear you can find and put RoFs in them in nightmare.


I think the existence of a coin drop is calculated on death. That would explain why sometimes after the SAME fight you have 9 loot piles and sometimes you have none.

If a coin drop is included in the loot, then it hangs out until your party first checks his corpse. The game checks your party for coin multipliers (and presumably +equipment quality items, but I have no idea how you could check that) and then delivers a final value.

Certainly, by quicksaving after a battle and then equiping your +coin gear you will get more money. If that is worth your time... personal decsion.

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WJC3688 wrote...


What if you're one of the people who don't have the SE or w/e it is that lets you get the Lion of Orlais? I only have the Black Emporium. Is there another shield I can get with 2 rune slots, and if not, would it be worth it to buy the Bulwark then?


Getting the bulwark and paying for the RoF's for it cost me about 6.5 gold. Since it only adds 11.25% to your base coin drops, that means you would need to find 57 gold in BASE (ie, before any multipliers) coin to justify it. I truly don't know if there is that much coin to be found in a runthrough of the game. (I haven't seen a comprehensive list of quest rewards yet, which would let you subtract your endgame gold acquired from your quest rewards to arrive at a guess.)

If you don't have the Lion of O, then a free option is the Bann's Backhouse Door Shield you can get in Act 1 by killing someone in Lowtown. I don't remember specifically where. To me, paying 6.5gold in Act 1 for a 11.25% Coin Drop bonus seems like a bad trade.