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[RohanD]

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RohanD wrote...

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Im sorry OP, I just couldnt get past the title to read the article, too off putting (rather stab my eyes). Im sure it was great.

Pointless post is pointless.

thanks, forrest

If you don't have anything to add to the discussion why do you waste yours and everybody else's time by posting pointless...

oh hai fanboy.

[Keladis]

I agree with a lot of people comments posted here and on his review. He is true about a lot of things on his review.

I felt like the game was a long list of quest to do rather then one main story with side quests.

I also though it was crap that we could not interact with our companions or npc around the world unless they had a quest for us. It took a lot away from what made Origin one of the best rpg.

What I do not agree with is a 2.5 out of 10 rating. The game was easy a 6.5 or a 7

[Mad-Max90]

KingDan97 wrote...

Let me just say, reading his reviews he's just whining. He went through the entire review without sayign one positive. Can you honestly say that there are NO redeeming qualities to Dragon Age 2? If you can than apparently you have ridiculously high standards and will never even date a woman because they don't look like a photoshopped super model.

Another point, he put 22 hours into this game. That tells me he rushed through Act 1 and skipped all side-quests and conversations with companions beyond that to the sole end of saying he "finished" the game. This is not a 20 hour game, it is 40 at least, because the side quests are part of the game. Just because he thinks that every game should be played like Halo and rushed straight through to the end doesn't mean it should.

Of course, he's clearly a troll on the levels of Armond White. He's just being contrarian so that he can get more hits on his site and therefore more profit from the advertisers on it.

Disagree if you like, I won't be looking at this nonsense thread again anyway.

He's not whinning, its much worse than that I think he thinks he's "winning":lol:

[HTTP 404]

RohanD wrote...

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RohanD wrote...

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Im sorry OP, I just couldnt get past the title to read the article, too off putting (rather stab my eyes). Im sure it was great.

Pointless post is pointless.

thanks, forrest

If you don't have anything to add to the discussion why do you waste yours and everybody else's time by posting pointless...

oh hai fanboy.

whoever says something last wins!! if my post was so pointless why respond to it?





anyways, I did read it, and it was well written.  That article isnt going to change people's minds on whether they like DA2 or not.  I disagree with the article but it doesnt bother me, just throwing my "useless fanboy" two cents.  

[Alpr]

I read the review, and he's a troll like everyone else that gives the game a low score just out of spite.

[Greig91]

RohanD wrote...

Greig91 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Think about the score as a ratio. 2.5/10 = 25/100 = 1/4 = 1:4

So if I say I liked 1 out of every 4 aspects of the game, I would say that is completely accurate. For every 1 thing that I liked, there were 3 things I hated. So that is 1/4 which is 25/100 which is 2.5/10. 

When you think about scores in this way (which is actually what they are meant to represent) the high scores this game got quickly become more ridiculous than 2.5/10. 

I don't think it is overly negative AT ALL. I think it is actually honest and fair and I felt exactly the same way about the game. 

Oh give me a break. How can you not see the flaw in that logic? Let's flip this around for a second. Let's say there's a game that has three things I like and one thing that I dislike, that means it scores 7.5/10? What if the one thing I dislike about it is that it stops working half way through and corrupts your hard drive? Does it still score a 7.5/10? No. It doesn't. So do yourself a favour and dispense with the pre-school logic.

I have no doubt that you believe this review to be fair, and I neither know nor care why. You're allowed to believe that it's fair. But I'm just telling you right now that as far as your justification for believing that goes, you're clutching at straws.

No actually, your understanding of what the score is meant to reflect is flawed because you are too used to seeing games get 8/10, 9/10 and, laughably so, 10/10!! 

7.5/10 for a game is a good LOGICAL score. The problem is we have gotten so far down the path of paid, rubbish reviews, that the scores don't mean anything anymore. 

RARELY have I played a game and agreed with the high rating that reviewers gave it. I generally agree with the premise behind the reviews, and by this I mean that if a game gets a 9/10, it's usually something I will like, but this isn't always the case. I hate GTA for example, just not my kind of thing.

What I am saying is, if you think about it in a logical fashion, and understand what the score is actually meant to represent, you'll soon realize that 8/10, or 9/10 is just stupid for most games. 

Everybody knows that. Reviews are scored far too high nowadays, that's just the way it is. I remember years ago when a game scored a 6/10 (if memory serves I think that's what OXM scored Hitman:SA) I could look at it and think "right, that's still an above average game. It might be worth a look". Nowadays a 6/10 generally means that the game is utter garbage, and we accept that. So with that said, this review can't be even remotely accurate by today's standards. The game just isn't 2.5/10 bad. A 2.5/10 today is when a developer ships something that is on par with an indie game at $60 and then pisses on your dog.

Anyway I don't really see how this has anything to do with your "I like one thing out of four, so it scores 1/4" logic. No matter what way you cut it, that doesn't make sense when reviewing something as varied as a videogame. Because that one thing you like could be big enough to balance out the three things you don't like. Just like if you hated one thing out of four, that one thing could be so bad that it completely overshadows any possible enjoyment you could have had from the other three things.

Modifié par Greig91, 24 mars 2011 - 05:13 .

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Alpr wrote...

I read the review, and he's a troll like everyone else that gives the game a low score just out of spite.

no not just out of spite, but for ratings

[Cody211282]

Alpr wrote...

I read the review, and he's a troll like everyone else that gives the game a low score just out of spite.

Because everyone who doesn't like what you like must be a troll.

[RohanD]

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  That article isnt going to change people's minds on whether they like DA2 or not.    

I never wanted to change anyone's mind. Just sharing the fact that this review is being praised as being honest, and one that has maintained the reviewer's integrity.

I want to see more reviews like this, and never want to see a review like PC Gamer UK's again. 

[Cody211282]

RohanD wrote...

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  That article isnt going to change people's minds on whether they like DA2 or not.    

I never wanted to change anyone's mind. Just sharing the fact that this review is being praised as being honest, and one that has maintained the reviewer's integrity.

I want to see more reviews like this, and never want to see a review like PC Gamer UK's again. 

What was theirs?

[Leharic]

Cody211282 wrote...

Alpr wrote...

I read the review, and he's a troll like everyone else that gives the game a low score just out of spite.

Because everyone who doesn't like what you like must be a troll.

The people who give DA2 a rating of 1 or 2.5 on game sites are trolls. Do you know a single person that would honestly rate it that low?

Modifié par Leharic, 24 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

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RohanD wrote...

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  That article isnt going to change people's minds on whether they like DA2 or not.    

I never wanted to change anyone's mind. Just sharing the fact that this review is being praised as being honest, and one that has maintained the reviewer's integrity.

I want to see more reviews like this, and never want to see a review like PC Gamer UK's again. 

I can agree with that, most reviews in general are jokes, there's no real measurement on things and there is pressure to write a positive review on a high profile game.  I

for this review, ts a good review just the score and the title is so off putting that it screams biased.  The reviewer himself later talked about holding bioware at a higher standard, that shows he is coming from a biased point of view.

[Chaos_1001]

I personally am a big believer in "using ones own mind " to determine whether a game / product is in fact right for me. The reviews, as it were, are meant to be a "guide" not an absolute, which takes away our ability to think for ourselves entirely. So with that said , do what you will with that info, because 99% of most individuals will have looked at the reveiws of whoever they listen to and take those views as their own.

[RohanD]

Greig91 wrote...

Anyway I don't really see how this has anything to do with your "I like one thing out of four, so it scores 1/4" logic. 

you're reading it too literally. 

I am saying that on the whole, when I think about the game as a complete thing, I actually only liked about 25% of it. 

Here's a list:

liked:

• voice acting (sometimes)
• some characters (Varric, Flemeth, Sandal)
• political stuff
• music 

didn't like:

• combat, my biggest hatred right here (can be 10 separate points but I'm being nice by leaving it as one)
• recycled environments
• art direction
• simplified inventory
• most companions
• elves that look like navi
• disconnect between acts
• too many fetch quests with no point
• why do the characters even hang around with hawke? nothing better to do?
• conversation wheel
• can't talk to ANY npcs
• crowded city is not crowded at all and is in fact less crowded than a country side village
• voiced protagonist
• lack of any connection to "Hawke" or his family members whatsoever

What's that, 4/14? = 2.8/10 roughly. Yep, fairly accurate. 

[Thiefy]

The game isn't BAD, it just wasn't good as Origins =/

[Alpr]

Cody211282 wrote...

Alpr wrote...

I read the review, and he's a troll like everyone else that gives the game a low score just out of spite.

Because everyone who doesn't like what you like must be a troll.

When you read a review of a perfectly working game where the person does nothing but bash it and doesn't say one positive thing about it and gives it a score low enough to make people think it's broken and unplayable, he's just another person like half this board that rants and raves about how bad this game is yet continues to post crap here and there because they have nothing better to do.

Could the game be better? Yes but that gives no right to people making topics about "Bioware needs to apologize to us" and then someone posts another "review" from some random site that also rated the game low.

I call troll on one who is irrational and doesn't use constructive critisism and instead just bash the game.

[DragonAddict]

I also didn't think DA2 was a bad game, just not DAO quality and what I was expecting for the same price $$.

DA2 = 7 / 10 (short game, hack and slash, linear, same maps) $60

DAO = 9.5 / 10 (long game, not dumbed down or simplified, different maps, not linear) $60

[Mad-Max90]

maybe bioware killed his dog...His dog you know how important dogs are to Ameri...Fereldans

[Alpr]

DA2 was short and DAO wasn't linear? I must be missing something.

[pablius]

2.5 is generous, the recycling of levels is insulting, I wish Steam had some return policy

[TaHol]

This review pretty much said everything I've been thinking. Especially what comes to story and combat.

[AntiChri5]

He reviewed it. He gave it a 2.5. He didn't give it a 0. 

He said he liked some thing that Varric did, and that's it. He hated it. You disagree.

This is all good, but you cannot call his review invalid because you disagree with him, which is essentially what you are doing. 

He did not review it. Giving a well made fully functional game a 2.5 out of 10 because it isn't what you expected in a sequal is not a review. It is simply shouting "I dun liek it!"

[RohanD]

AntiChri5 wrote...

He reviewed it. He gave it a 2.5. He didn't give it a 0. 

He said he liked some thing that Varric did, and that's it. He hated it. You disagree.

This is all good, but you cannot call his review invalid because you disagree with him, which is essentially what you are doing. 

He did not review it. Giving a well made fully functional game a 2.5 out of 10 because it isn't what you expected in a sequal is not a review. It is simply shouting "I dun liek it!"

You seem to be a bit of an odd one out here, since a lot of people on that site and right here in this thread are agreeing with his review. To these people, he is not incompetent, he's actually just got the guts to tell the truth.

But anyway...

[AtreiyaN7]

Of course the comments are praising it - the users posting hate the game, so why wouldn't they? I read the review and disagree with it, but he's entitled to his own opinion. Could really care less.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 24 mars 2011 - 06:34 .

[AntiChri5]

You seem to be a bit of an odd one out here, since a lot of people on that site and right here in this thread are agreeing with his review. To these people, he is not incompetent, he's actually just got the guts to tell the truth.

You mean there are people on the internet who are not basing their opinions of a game on an objective analasys of it's merits?

STOP THE PRESSES!