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[plasmafruit]

He did not review it. Giving a well made fully functional game a 2.5 out of 10 because it isn't what you expected in a sequel is not a review. It is simply shouting "I dun liek it!"

The truth blinds me with the force of a thousand flaming knickers of Andraste. I'm starting to think a majority of the DA2 haters lash out on this game by finding every single flaw in the game, then magnify it extremely.

[VanDraegon]

While he made some good points, his review falls apart because he doesnt show a shred of professionalism. No way does the game deserve a 2.5 and there are some good aspects about the game. He cant or wont do his job for some reason so frankly he doesnt deserve to have this review respected or taken seriously.

[Crabhand]

Read the review and I pretty much disagree with every point he made. The only thing Dragon Age II deserves this much flak for are technical issues (Isabela/Sebastian bugs, lack of SDTV support, quest issues, etc), the other stuff (combat, story direction, characters, environments) are personal preferences and shouldn't be factored so hard into a legitimate review. This review was hardly trying to be objective, so the score is unrealistically low. While he has the right to express his criticisms, it felt more like a disgruntled fan review than a professional objective review.

[RohanD]

AntiChri5 wrote...

You seem to be a bit of an odd one out here, since a lot of people on that site and right here in this thread are agreeing with his review. To these people, he is not incompetent, he's actually just got the guts to tell the truth.

You mean there are people on the internet who are not basing their opinions of a game on an objective analasys of it's merits?

STOP THE PRESSES!

Huh? No I mean there are CUSTOMERS who bought the game and actually, genuinely, truly feel it is rubbish. There are many of them in fact, and they agree with a lot of the sentiments in this review. 

[RohanD]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Of course the comments are praising it - the users posting hate the game, so why wouldn't they? I read the review and disagree with it, but he's entitled to his own opinion. Could really care less.

Yes, that's right. They hate it. As do many here. 

If you don't care why do you bother posting? 

[Jiggasaurus]

Comes across as a bit emotional in his review not that reviews should be bereft of emotion it’s just effecting his judgment when evaluating all the points in the game. I’m not going to sift through 10 pages of this thread but if you click on the reviewers name above the article then scroll down to ‘recent writing’ he even has two pages titled ‘Do not buy Dragon Age II’ before even finishing the game.

He clearly loves gaming though some of the points he made are genuine concerns for the series it just seems more like a fandom post on the game, than a balanced critique review.

[AntiChri5]

Huh? No I mean there are CUSTOMERS who bought the game and actually, genuinely, truly feel it is rubbish. There are many of them in fact, and they agree with a lot of the sentiments in this review. 

Many of whom are now on the internet, and did not base their opinions on an objective analasys.

Which is fine. A customer has the right to simply dislike a product. They aren't claiming to be critics.

I notice you ignore the many who had serious problems with the game, and support his complaints, yet still point to his score and methods as being entirely unprofessional.

[Hoopz]

Could someone point me to where the review is? All I'm seeing is another rant.

[QwibQwib]

I agree with his review...sorry bioware but you can do better than this..WAY better. At least give it a 5/10

[Scars Unseen]

I agree with some of the points he made. On the whole, however, this guy wrote a "review" like Fox presents "news." This was not intended to inform, but rather to attract attention.

*looks at the 11 page topic*

Well played, Mr. Gallaway. Well played.

[RohanD]

Jiggasaurus wrote...

Comes across as a bit emotional in his review not that reviews should be bereft of emotion it’s just effecting his judgment when evaluating all the points in the game. I’m not going to sift through 10 pages of this thread but if you click on the reviewers name above the article then scroll down to ‘recent writing’ he even has two pages titled ‘Do not buy Dragon Age II’ before even finishing the game.

He clearly loves gaming though some of the points he made are genuine concerns for the series it just seems more like a fandom post on the game, than a balanced critique review.

He also lists his favourite current game as Mass Effect

[errant_knight]

I may not have cared for most of the game, but 2.5 is ridiculous. It would have to be completely broken to deserve that.

[Joush]

The 2.5 seems to be biased by how much he enjoyed the previous game, and the console problem of it being nearly imposable to engage in tactics from the pulled in close view and need to constantly press the attack button.

That said, his criticisms seem honest. The game has deep, serious flaws that just seem to get worse when you spend a lot of time playing.

I'd give this review a six out of ten.

[AtreiyaN7]

RohanD wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Of course the comments are praising it - the users posting hate the game, so why wouldn't they? I read the review and disagree with it, but he's entitled to his own opinion. Could really care less.

Yes, that's right. They hate it. As do many here. 

If you don't care why do you bother posting? 

I read the review and am entitled to comment as I see fit. I believe that was a requirement of yours to comment - reading the article. I even said that while I disagree with his review and could care less (about his opinion and those of the people commenting on the review), he's entitled to his opinion.

If a review is negative and if certain people hate the game, it seems rather obvious that they would glom onto it and embrace it, happily agreeing with it and commenting on it. That's not proof of much other than the fact that people who hate the game enjoy negative reviews about it.

[HighlandBerserkr]

This guy is a ****ing moron, sure Dragin Age 2 isn't without it's faults but it's not worthy of a 2.5, I knew he was an idiot as soon as he dissed the characters and writing. They are some of Biowares best, especially Aveline, ****ingidiot.

[Altima Darkspells]

You know, at first, I agreed that the score was ridiculous.

But I did agree with all the points the review raised.

Then I started thinking...what did I actually like about the game? The story wasn't particularly thought provoking or engaging (or present, most of the time). True, the game had its moments, but they were only moments. Heck, I could probably watch them on YouTube with no context and have nearly the same reaction.

The companions were weak and forgetable. I felt like many of the NPCs in Origins were better flushed out than them.

In fact, the only thing I could say that I unabashedly liked about DA2 was the improvements to the combat system. I enjoyed the greater complexity of the system, and the fact that it was more punishing if you screwed up.

But even then, other aspects of the game significantly decreased my enjoyment of the combat. The enemy wave system was just awful in its implementation. The level design severely limited combat strategy. It was all cramped corridors and tight quarters. Enemies would pop out whever they liked, meaning positioning was quasi-pointless.

So, in the end, maybe DA2 does deserve a low score. After all, to me, there's no single aspect of it that overwhelms, and all its faults tend to overlap and bury any good features of the game.

[Reinveil]

Nothing really to add, other than that I agree with every point made in the review. I also agree that the accompanying score is too low (I'd give it a 5 or 6, personally), but the score shouldn't be the focus of the article. It's refreshing to see at least one site/publication that isn't swayed by EA's money and clout.

Those of you that claim the critics are speaking out because of some bizarre need for negativity are deluded, and it continues to mystify me why it bothers you so much (much as it mystifies me that anyone would so fervently defend such an obviously flawed game as some masterpiece). Perhaps a break from frothing at the mouth because a bunch (as in a whole lot) of people you don't know on the Internet don't suffer mediocrity as willingly as you do is in order, yes?

Has anyone else noticed how quick the game's defenders are to use (often crude, immature, and typo-laden) insults and name-calling in these threads? Is this representative of the new demographic Bioware is apparently pandering to?

[graavigala85]

 A good review and it brings up good points, I agree 100% with him that the game does not feel like Bioware game, I do like the game but I play it with guilty pleasure and shame

I have decided to look past the recycled places, the too small area of game and magically appearing enemies and just make a excuse "Varric is telling this story, he can tell a good story but he does not have good imagination of portraying the places you are and in every battlestory where 5men attack you becomes 15men and so on".

DA2 is a good game but I would be surprised if it gets even one GotY price, and if it does, it really does not deserve it, Im sorry Bioware but thats just the truth, you put out crap and you cant expect to atract butterflies with it

[Dermain]

Reinveil wrote...
Has anyone else noticed how quick the game's defenders are to use (often crude, immature, and typo-laden) insults and name-calling in these threads? Is this representative of the new demographic Bioware is apparently pandering to?

Both sides use it, it's the nature of human arguement. As well as ignoring it from their own side.

[Cody211282]

Myrkale wrote...

Reinveil wrote...
Has anyone else noticed how quick the game's defenders are to use (often crude, immature, and typo-laden) insults and name-calling in these threads? Is this representative of the new demographic Bioware is apparently pandering to?

Both sides use it, it's the nature of human arguement. As well as ignoring it from their own side.

Seconded, both sides suck and need a slap back to reality.

[Reinveil]

Myrkale wrote...

Reinveil wrote...
Has anyone else noticed how quick the game's defenders are to use (often crude, immature, and typo-laden) insults and name-calling in these threads? Is this representative of the new demographic Bioware is apparently pandering to?

Both sides use it, it's the nature of human arguement. As well as ignoring it from their own side.

I don't disagree.  Every time I read the word "fanboy/girl" I think I die a little inside.  However, the phenomena seems far more prevalent amongst the game's more passionate defenders.  I wasn't necessarily taking a shot, just making an observation.  Critics seem to be better at articulating their concerns and disappointments while those of opposing view tend to support their opinion with "IT'S JUST BETTAR NOT EVERYONE IS A STUCK UP HAT0R LIKE U" or "YEAH THE GAME ISNT PERFECT BUT OBLIVOIN USES THE SAME HOUSES TOO".

Perhaps if there were more threads in which those opinions were laid out in a constructive and intelligent manner (explaining why the mechanics, story, or design are an improvement in a logical fashion, instead of just saying "it's better"), it would spurn discussion that was a little easier to take seriously.  The critical response has done this in droves.

[Jon Vael]

The written review is dead on. The number is emotionally low. Personally I think this game deserves no higher than a 5/10. Considering the development team, budget, and prior releases: This game is TRASH.

[Reinveil]

"Trash" may be a bit harsh (always with the extremes on this forum), but it's certainly not up to Bioware's usual high standards.  I ended up trading in my copy to Best Buy earlier this evening while it's stil worth something.  Not even the prospect of patches or quality DLC is enough to keep me interested, unfortunately.

Modifié par Reinveil, 24 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[Dermain]

Reinveil wrote...
Perhaps if there were more threads in which those opinions were laid out in a constructive and intelligent manner (explaining why the mechanics, story, or design are an improvement in a logical fashion, instead of just saying "it's better"), it would spurn discussion that was a little easier to take seriously.  The critical response has done this in droves.

Sadly yet again I will have to say, this is how people argue with each other the majority of the time. Even if evidence for said arguements was presented, people will still discount it as an "opinion" no matter how true the evidence is.

Jon Vael wrote...

The written review is dead on. The
number is emotionally low. Personally I think this game deserves no
higher than a 5/10. Considering the development team, budget, and prior
releases: This game is TRASH.

No game should be reviewed based on prior releases. If this was done for every single game, there would be no great games besides Super Mario and Pong. However, I think we can all agree that DA2 needed more time to be more polished, yet it is still not a bad game just sub-par (6-7/10). Of course if we judge on a prior release (Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood) DA2 definitely would rate a 9-10/10.

Modifié par Myrkale, 24 mars 2011 - 08:10 .

[Shannara13]

Reinveil wrote...

Has anyone else noticed how quick the game's defenders are to use (often crude, immature, and typo-laden) insults and name-calling in these threads? Is this representative of the new demographic Bioware is apparently pandering to?

Ever notice how the games haters are quick to dismiss anyone who likes the game as fanbois who are too stupid to see what the haters see?