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[Cody211282]

Myrkale wrote...

Reinveil wrote...
Perhaps if there were more threads in which those opinions were laid out in a constructive and intelligent manner (explaining why the mechanics, story, or design are an improvement in a logical fashion, instead of just saying "it's better"), it would spurn discussion that was a little easier to take seriously.  The critical response has done this in droves.

Sadly yet again I will have to say, this is how people argue with each other the majority of the time. Even if evidence for said arguements was presented, people will still discount it as an "opinion" no matter how true the evidence is.

Jon Vael wrote...

The written review is dead on. The
number is emotionally low. Personally I think this game deserves no
higher than a 5/10. Considering the development team, budget, and prior
releases: This game is TRASH.

No game should be reviewed based on prior releases. If this was done for every single game, there would be no great games besides Super Mario and Pong. However, I think we can all agree that DA2 needed more time to be more polished, yet it is still not a bad game just sub-par (6-7/10). Of course if we judge on a prior release (Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood) DA2 definitely would rate a 9-10/10.

I would say that sequels should have a part score come from if they live up to the first game or not because that is why a lot of people are buying the game. But other then that I agree
in its current state 7/10, after all the bugs are fixed then 8/10, or at least thats how I see it.

[FedericoV]

RohanD wrote...

 http://www.gamecriti...n-age-ii-review
Many are praising Brad's honesty and integrity. I agree with them. 

Discuss.

EDIT: READ THE WHOLE REVIEW before posting. Don't just look at the score and fanboy flame it. 

I've read the review and the men's a joke. Read his review of Origins:

http://www.gamecriti...-origins-review

Not as negative but it wasn't positive too. He asked changes to the combat to make the experience better on the consolles... and then he is suprprised because they have taken the action route? Do he knows that an RTS do not play well with a controller? He should have played DA:O with a PC if he loved so much the old combat system. Screw himself.

[Shannara13]

I just have to say that if you don't want people focusing on the score instead of the review maybe you shouldn't have included the score in the title of your thread.

[Dermain]

Shannara13 wrote...

I just have to say that if you don't want people focusing on the score instead of the review maybe you shouldn't have included the score in the title of your thread.

Well his title is, just like the score, for attention. As far as I can see, "Most comments agree with it" applies to the points the reviewer makes in the actual review, not the score. Yet by reading the threads title you would not assume that, you would assume that he means that they agree with the score.

[FedericoV]

errant_knight wrote...

I may not have cared for most of the game, but 2.5 is ridiculous. It would have to be completely broken to deserve that.

When you gain popularity and the stigma of integrity bashing a game or a company, because there is a certain trend on the web and you are no one outside of your small circle... well, reviewer and critics take races to be the first to spite on a product (being games, movies or books). 

I think that the best review I've read so far of DA2 was the Destructoid's one under every aspect.

Modifié par FedericoV, 24 mars 2011 - 08:40 .

[AlexMBrennan]

The review comes across a little bit biased towards the negative (which is surprising since scores on a zero-to-ten scale are usually distributed like Normal(8,1)). He must have a point though since I've already binned my copy of DA2.

[Dubya75]

Very harsh review (if you can call it that). Apart from the valid points of recycled areas and sometimes weirdly spawned enemies, this is an eloquent rant, not much more than that.

[Paeyne]

Wow.. all this argument over a review is certainly... interesting reading.

Its also all a little bit pointless isn't it?

The review is what it is.  One review amungst dozens.

It may be negatively biased... but its not more biased than those reviews that gave the game 9s or 10s.

I may agree that many of his points are valid.. and have said so in other posts... but that and $1.50 will get you a Timmys.

Just like this review... Dragon Age 2 is what it is... nothing will change that now.

Just like this reviewer, many of us want to voice our displeasure, that is natural, but does arguing for 10 pages over this one reviewers opinion help in any way? 

The "it sucks" side points to the review and feels vindicated... when they didn't need it.  Their points were valid without it. 

The "its amazing" side gets all rialled up when they don't need to.  One review does not invalidate any enjoyment they may have received or will receive from the game.

To me.. the whole thing is a little bit sad.   The complete polarization of forums over the last ten years or so has only served to shut down any meaningful form of communication.  Every year the extremes get louder and louder while the middle ground gets lost in the din.

It many ways the whole situation reminds me of the mages and templars, with poor Hawke in the middle looking slightly confused.  I would laugh so hard if the entire storyline was an alagory. 

[Funker Shepard]

Paeyne wrote...

To me.. the whole thing is a little bit sad.   The complete polarization of forums over the last ten years or so has only served to shut down any meaningful form of communication.  Every year the extremes get louder and louder while the middle ground gets lost in the din.

Glad to hear I'm not the only person feeling this way.

[Northern Avenger]

And that brings DA2's metacritic average critic score down to the 70s for the 360 version which has the most reviews by far and therefore should be the most accurate representation.

I don't think this review is a fair representation of the game, but neither are the larger number of overwhelmingly positive reviews from PCgamer etc.

My score if I were to use the 1-10 numerical scale and not the usual reviewer scale of 7-10 I'd give it a 5-6.

If DAO took 5 years and 5 apples to make selling for 3 bananas and DA2 took 1,5 years and 2 apples to make, why are you also selling DA2 for 3 bananas? They're obviously not worth the same.

Suddenly, BANANAS!

[Onyx Jaguar]

yes yes yes epic adventure vs. politcal turmoil

thank you review for telling me epic adventure is better

which is why I just love Neverwinter Nights so much more than Fallout; New Vegas. I mean it really does not compare

[AkiKishi]

This was posted much eariler in the other forum. When I read it I was thinking 25% is kind of harsh. Then it got me thinking about some of the higher rated reviews and how the scores don't seem to match up with the text either. Maybe the guy is trying to make a point here, after all the higher reviews are only there for the purpose of a score and tagline, the majority of what is said does not matter.
It's still a lot more credible than the escaptist, or PCgamer because no one in their right mind, even most of the people here feel the game is worth a 9 or 10.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 mars 2011 - 11:13 .

[LanatirDragon]

As long as there are paid brainwashed 'professional' reviewers that give this game a 9 or 10 out of then, the score that this reviewer gives it is more than valid, and deserved. A 10 would mean that it is the best game of all times, which it isnt. A 9 would place it with all time classics like Elite, BG2. And it dont belong there.

Face it. The average score on metacritics, gamerankings and gamespot (i mean the calculated average of professional reviews) places this game in the area of 7.something of 10. This means this is the worst Bioware RPG of all times, and way below many many other rpg's.

You like it? good for you. It is still a game that failed in achieving what it was trying to do.

Modifié par LanatirDragon, 24 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[chinoyray]

Zzgashi wrote...

Usually a score that low is reserved for games that are unplayably buggy. He has lots of legitimate complaints in the written review, but overall he comes across as very butthurt. Did a Bioware employee insult him?

Not just him. Bioware insulted us. What a waste of money. I even bought the Exiled Prince because I was not able to get the Signature Edition... but it's a DLC causing Hawke to become weaker. 

What a waste.

[rooky91]

Yawn, I can form my own opinion and don't need to listen to people who look for nothing but the bad.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

simfamSP wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Many people praise psychos?

What planet are you from?

The score is harsh, but the words carry great meaning and depth. Read them, then read the comments. Many people agree with the review.

For the moors murders in Britain a painting was made for one of the killers (or tortuers) out of childrens handprints. And it was children who they murdered and tortured.

Earth is hell, it's ****ed up beyond belief. Look at the Mote (or Moat) guy from Newcastle. And in America's case, people PRAISED the terrorists for the 9/11 attack.

making a painting => support for pyschopaths? and not all psychopaths are killers.

[Ruben Thomas]

I think he was right in many of his criticisms in the review, but he also failed to acknowledge many of the good things about DA2.

His review was well written and most of the faults he describe I can relate to, finding them myself in the game, however I also feel he is monumentaly biased against the game and not giving its good parts their due.

[Johnny20]

I can't wait for Yahtzee to review it. He always craps on the games he reviews, but this time everything he says will be completely justified.

No doubt he'll rip it to pieces.

[FedericoV]

Johnny20 wrote...

I can't wait for Yahtzee to review it. He always craps on the games he reviews, but this time everything he says will be completely justified.

Honestly, Yathzee allways bash anything. Moreover, he does not like fantasy, he does not like rpgs or RTS, he does not like Bioware's dialogue system (being voiced or not) and he does not care a lot about story and writing.  What do you expect? Remember that he was very dismissive with DA:O too. He destroyed TW and mocked NW a lot. He considers GoW2 one of the best game ever.

If not for Shadow of the Colossus wich is indeed one of the best videogame ever I rarely agree with him even if his review remains funny (but less funnier in the last months... he's loosing steam).

If someone takes his work seriously... we're only talking about confirmation bias.

Modifié par FedericoV, 24 mars 2011 - 11:37 .

[Selectric]

Agreed almost completely with the reviewer. I did like the combat execution in DA2 more than DA:O, though he's right when it says the "dropping out of the sky" reinforcement method is a "pile of steaming garbage". DA2 is is disaster.

[KendallX23]

i don't understand many of the criticism this game has..besides the locations repeating themselves and some bugs...that are not game breaking...everything in this game is vastly better then Origins...
batlle..tedious,chores ?i think u wanted to say the Origins batlle system was like that..DA 2 has faster more action based..wich i find better..

[suprhomre]

I hate to say this but he kinda nailed it. I don't agree about the score but in overall the game is as he said. I would give 7.5 for the game though.

[Costello_Anasazi]

I want to disagree with him. Dragon Age Origins is one of my all time top games, but I just can't.

At no point was there a way to raise to power by any means necessary and there was no real control over the story. Turn out no matter who you side with its all the same and you have the exact same end fights. Which makes it very hard to see how it can be seen as a true sucessor to DA:O. And the comments about it being a side story is of course as we all know spot on and a disappointment with so many questions left unanswered from DA:O and Awakening and the DLC.

I just wish there was some way that Bioware could pull back from this but they really do appear to have made some big mistakes.

[AlexMBrennan]

the locations repeating themselves

That makes the game look cheap - not necessarily something I'd be looking for in a product that already features a number of bugs that are primarily due to lazy programming (e.g. unsafe conditionals in Anora's Landsmeet dialogue - you use a whitelist to grant access and deny it otherwise, not the other way round).
It doesn't help that they tend to require extensive backtracking. Also, people probably assume that all locations are like that when looking at a screen shot of Hawke and the scenic Wounded Coast and not necessarily that there is only one location.