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Gamecritics score: 2.5, and MOST comments agree with it


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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

I'm just going to post here so that the thread gets bigger and hopefully someone from Bioware notices this thread and goes on to read the review.


I somehow doubt that companies need their official forums to tell them about reviews of their product.


Oh noes!

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Hmmm...well I'm glad to see a dispute in the thread resolved. I personally agree with alot of the criticisms of DA2 but this guy just seems like he tacked on that ostentatiously low score just to get hits on his website. In any case, just a friendly neighborhood moderator reminder to keep conversation and discussion on topic and away from personal attacks. Be excellent and all that jazz :)

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I found that almost every single flaw he pointed out in his review is true, but that does not make his review "good" or "honest".

It is really easy to hate DA2 and it's lower level of craftsmanship, but Gamecritic's review simply ignored all the good aspects of the game, few as they were, and purely fixiated on the bad things. This is not something which should not be acceptable in a legitimate review.

To me, it seemed the author was more busy venting out his frustration at the game than giving it a fair and accurate review. It hardly matters that he pointed out almost every flaw in the game; there is a difference between a review and a "list of things I hate". A good review is suppose to give everyone, particular those who know absolutely nothing about the game, a fair assesment of the game's strengths and weaknesses. This particular review does absolutely none of that. A good criticism which accurately details the flaws, but definitely not a good review.


I don't understand people saying it's "too negative" and therefore "not balanced".

Why does a review have to, by law, try to say good things about a game? He obviously just really really hated it. Does that make his review not a valid review? Of course not. 

I hated DA2. Yeah alright there were some things that were good about it but come on, I should NOT have to FISH for things to like in a game. 

When the negatives out weight the positives so much, that it actually makes it a chore to play (which is what it was for me) then the game doesn't deserve to be praised for anything. It deserves to get low scores, which should send a message to the dev saying "Your product. It's not good. Change it!"

This is especially true when the game is a sequel to such a great game in the first place. You cannot avoid the feeling of thinking "Why Bioware...just why..." and of course that's an emotional response. Normally I would say keep these kinds of emotions out of a review, but in this case, SO many of the gaming public felt this way, that this emotion is understood by a lot of people reading the review. So in that sense, I feel that this emotion is a valid aspect of the criticism. 

Modifié par RohanD, 24 mars 2011 - 03:45 .


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Ronin2006 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

I'm just going to post here so that the thread gets bigger and hopefully someone from Bioware notices this thread and goes on to read the review.


I somehow doubt that companies need their official forums to tell them about reviews of their product.


Oh noes!


But they evedently need fanboys to protect them from scary people like you and me.

Modifié par Cody211282, 24 mars 2011 - 03:42 .


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Totally agree with Brad. Though the 2.5 is very low, it's good to see a critic totally speak his mind without fear of publisher repercussions.

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I'm scary and fanboy's need to protect the public from me? Well, maybe scary when I wake up.. if someone stands between me and coffee..

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Cody211282 wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

I'm just going to post here so that the thread gets bigger and hopefully someone from Bioware notices this thread and goes on to read the review.


I somehow doubt that companies need their official forums to tell them about reviews of their product.


Oh noes!


But they evidently need fanboys to protect them from scary people like you and me.


Nope, they don't need that, either.

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Sharkey1337 wrote...

Totally agree with Brad. Though the 2.5 is very low, it's good to see a critic totally speak his mind without fear of publisher repercussions.


^ this

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

I'm just going to post here so that the thread gets bigger and hopefully someone from Bioware notices this thread and goes on to read the review.


I somehow doubt that companies need their official forums to tell them about reviews of their product.


Oh noes!


But they evidently need fanboys to protect them from scary people like you and me.


Nope, they don't need that, either.


And yet the fanboys seem to think it.

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Cody211282 wrote...

And yet the fanboys seem to think it.


And why do you care if Person X decides to respond to your posts out of their own free will? You can hide behind "oh, they are just a blind fanboy" all you want, but all that does is foster a lack of conversation in the forums.

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Cody211282 wrote...

And yet the fanboys seem to think it.


The butthurt is strong in this one.....yes.....very strong.

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RohanD wrote...




I don't understand people saying it's "too negative" and therefore "not balanced".

Why does a review have to, by law, try to say good things about a game? He obviously just really really hated it. Does that make his review not a valid review? Of course not. 

I hated DA2. Yeah alright there were some things that were good about it but come on, I should NOT have to FISH for things to like in a game. 

When the negatives out weight the positives so much, that it actually makes it a chore to play (which is what it was for me) then the game doesn't deserve to be praised for anything. It deserves to get low scores, which should send a message to the dev saying "Your product. It's not good. Change it!"

This is especially true when the game is a sequel to such a great game in the first place. You cannot avoid the feeling of thinking "Why Bioware...just why..." and of course that's an emotional response. Normally I would say keep these kinds of emotions out of a review, but in this case, SO many of the gaming public felt this way, that this emotion is understood by a lot of people reading the review. So in that sense, I feel that this emotion is a valid aspect of the criticism. 


The fact that you liked some of the game isn't enough to see the flaws in a review which does nothing but bashes it? What will new players think, if they never played a DA or Bioware title before? Are you really going to justify to them,  "this game is so terrible that it makes bad games look good and deserves a 2/10"? 

Telling Bioware "you made a very poor game" is enough. You don't need to tell them they screwed up so horribly that no one should even give their a game a try.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

And yet the fanboys seem to think it.


And
why do you care if Person X decides to respond to your posts out of
their own free will? You can hide behind "oh, they are just a blind
fanboy" all you want, but all that does is foster a lack of conversation
in the forums.


Honestly because I have yet to run into one fanboy who will give me a good reason for half the problems in this game, but I can run into 100 that do nothing but call people who are disapointed in the game troll or elitists. both sides have their problems but at least most the trolls were left out of the owner forums.

and your post of" I somehow doubt that companies need their official forums to tell them about reviews of their product." doesn't add anything ether.




_LordKain_ wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

And yet the fanboys seem to think it.


The butthurt is strong in this one.....yes.....very strong.


Now if you had actauly read any of the posts I had you would have seen that I don't agree with what the guy was saying(I think it's a 7/10), but go ahead and troll all you like.

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Pyrate_d wrote...

Don't look at the score--read the review. The review is dead on. The score is just a number that's tacked on--it doesn't mean a thing.


Agreed. Excellent review. 

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Vali wrote...

The fact that you liked some of the game isn't enough to see the flaws in a review which does nothing but bashes it? What will new players think, if they never played a DA or Bioware title before? Are you really going to justify to them,  "this game is so terrible that it makes bad games look good and deserves a 2/10"? 

Telling Bioware "you made a very poor game" is enough. You don't need to tell them they screwed up so horribly that no one should even give their a game a try.


Think about the score as a ratio. 2.5/10 = 25/100 = 1/4 = 1:4

So if I say I liked 1 out of every 4 aspects of the game, I would say that is completely accurate. For every 1 thing that I liked, there were 3 things I hated. So that is 1/4 which is 25/100 which is 2.5/10. 

When you think about scores in this way (which is actually what they are meant to represent) the high scores this game got quickly become more ridiculous than 2.5/10. 

I don't think it is overly negative AT ALL. I think it is actually honest and fair and I felt exactly the same way about the game. 

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and your post of" I somehow doubt that companies need their official forums to tell them about reviews of their product." doesn't add anything ether.


Yes. I know. I just thought the preceeding post was rather presumptuous. 

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

and your post of" I somehow doubt that companies need their official forums to tell them about reviews of their product." doesn't add anything ether.


Yes. I know. I just thought the preceeding post was rather presumptuous. 


Considering that the froums are here so Bioware can get fan feedback I think it's a good thing, I don't agree with all the feedback but they still need to hear it.

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A 2.5 score is simply absurd, and destroys any credibility this "critic" has.

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AntiChri5 wrote...

A 2.5 score is simply absurd, and destroys any credibility this "critic" has.


Please explain why it is "simply absurd"?

As I said above, if I liked 1 thing and hated 3 others, and I kept feeling like this throughout the entire game, then it is not absurd at all it is completely accurate.

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I don't need to read some review. I liked the game.

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I happen to agree with most of what he said but that aside I still enjoyed the game though and it definitely deserves better than 2.5.

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Dridengx wrote...

many people praise psychos and cults as well point being? people can be wrong just like his opinion a 2.5 is a score left for games unplayable, broken, bugged beyond belief, full of crashes etc. that review you posted is idiotic and brainless. just saying

This

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GeorgeZip wrote...

I don't need to read some review. I liked the game.


Holy crap a person making up their own mind rather then needing crtics to help them, why cant more people be like you?


e1team wrote...

Dridengx wrote...

many
people praise psychos and cults as well point being? people can be wrong
just like his opinion a 2.5 is a score left for games unplayable,
broken, bugged beyond belief, full of crashes etc. that review you
posted is idiotic and brainless. just saying

This


Do any of your posts have more then one word to them?

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As I said above, if I liked 1 thing and hated 3 others, and I kept feeling like this throughout the entire game, then it is not absurd at all it is completely accurate.

The score is not "Did i like it?" the score is supposed to be "Is it good?"

There is a fundamental difference which is irrelevant to laypeople like us, but critical to a professional.

His inability to seperate those two makes him an incompetant reviewer.

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AntiChri5 wrote...

As I said above, if I liked 1 thing and hated 3 others, and I kept feeling like this throughout the entire game, then it is not absurd at all it is completely accurate.

The score is not "Did i like it?" the score is supposed to be "Is it good?"

There is a fundamental difference which is irrelevant to laypeople like us, but critical to a professional.

His inability to seperate those two makes him an incompetant reviewer.


See for a game those 2 are one and the same for me, sure the game can be good but if I don't like it then I'm not going to give it a high score.