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[Bryy_Miller]

Cody211282 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

and your post of" I somehow doubt that companies need their official forums to tell them about reviews of their product." doesn't add anything ether.

Yes. I know. I just thought the preceeding post was rather presumptuous. 

Considering that the froums are here so Bioware can get fan feedback I think it's a good thing, I don't agree with all the feedback but they still need to hear it.

My point is that assuming that BioWare needs US to tell them about a review is the same as the idea that the need US to comfort them.

[Greig91]

RohanD wrote...

Think about the score as a ratio. 2.5/10 = 25/100 = 1/4 = 1:4

So if I say I liked 1 out of every 4 aspects of the game, I would say that is completely accurate. For every 1 thing that I liked, there were 3 things I hated. So that is 1/4 which is 25/100 which is 2.5/10. 

When you think about scores in this way (which is actually what they are meant to represent) the high scores this game got quickly become more ridiculous than 2.5/10. 

I don't think it is overly negative AT ALL. I think it is actually honest and fair and I felt exactly the same way about the game. 

Oh give me a break. How can you not see the flaw in that logic? Let's flip this around for a second. Let's say there's a game that has three things I like and one thing that I dislike, that means it scores 7.5/10? What if the one thing I dislike about it is that it stops working half way through and corrupts your hard drive? Does it still score a 7.5/10? No. It doesn't. So do yourself a favour and dispense with the pre-school logic.

I have no doubt that you believe this review to be fair, and I neither know nor care why. You're allowed to believe that it's fair. But I'm just telling you right now that as far as your justification for believing that goes, you're clutching at straws.

Modifié par Greig91, 24 mars 2011 - 04:27 .

[Cody211282]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

and your post of" I somehow doubt that companies need their official forums to tell them about reviews of their product." doesn't add anything ether.

Yes. I know. I just thought the preceeding post was rather presumptuous. 

Considering that the froums are here so Bioware can get fan feedback I think it's a good thing, I don't agree with all the feedback but they still need to hear it.

My point is that assuming that BioWare needs US to tell them about a review is the same as the idea that the need US to comfort them.

True but the discussion on this topic is usfull, not as constructive as other but still soemthing they should look over.

[AntiChri5]

See for a game those 2 are one and the same for me, sure the game can be good but if I don't like it then I'm not going to give it a high score.

And there isn't a thing that is wrong with that, because you are a consumer.

Your opinions are still valued, but they are not paid for. For an opinion to have monetary worth, it can't be so basic as "did i like it" otherwise reviewers would have to always stick to one genre.

[steelfire_dragon]

I rate this thread as gutter trash as I think that the critics are paid to much for an opinion and people read to much into them...... and easily influenced by them... same with movie critics

nice day and good night

[RohanD]

AntiChri5 wrote...

As I said above, if I liked 1 thing and hated 3 others, and I kept feeling like this throughout the entire game, then it is not absurd at all it is completely accurate.

The score is not "Did i like it?" the score is supposed to be "Is it good?"

There is a fundamental difference which is irrelevant to laypeople like us, but critical to a professional.

His inability to seperate those two makes him an incompetant reviewer.

How can you determine if something is good without already knowing whether you like it or not?

Are you saying that the values of the game should be placed about personal taste?

Critics, reviewers, they are paid to give their opinions. They have this job because presumably, they can put words together, and they are knowledgable on the subject matter.

After that they can do what they want imo. They are not "required" to talk about the good and bad parts of the game equally, this is something people have gotten used to because publishers put pressure on reviewers by threatening to pull advertising etc.,

He didn't like it. He hated it. He gave it a 2.5. I don't think you have any right to say that is absurd and he can't do his job properly. His job is to give an opinion and he did. 

You can disagree with it sure, but don't say it is "absurd" and he is incompetent. He clearly isn't, he played the game and reiterates many claims/criticisms that have been provided by other reviewers as well. 

[Cody211282]

AntiChri5 wrote...

See for a game those 2 are one and the same for me, sure the game can be good but if I don't like it then I'm not going to give it a high score.

And there isn't a thing that is wrong with that, because you are a consumer.

Your opinions are still valued, but they are not paid for. For an opinion to have monetary worth, it can't be so basic as "did i like it" otherwise reviewers would have to always stick to one genre.

I can see were you are coming from with that and I understand it. But honestly I have givin up on caring about crtics a long time ago, most movies they like are boring, most games they reveiw get at least a 7(since a 6.5 gets you fired). If I end up reading a reveiw I skim most of it and try to see if they say they enjoyed it or not, that is the part I care about most.

[Kusy]

I vote that this score was suposed to be a shocker and get the guy more interest. Sucessfull troll. Another thing is that all the "gaming media" scores are too high. AAA games never reach lower than 7/10, and not because they're good, because they're AAA games.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 24 mars 2011 - 04:28 .

[Cody211282]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I vote that this score was suposed to be a shocker and get the guy more interest. Sucessfull troll. Another thing is that all the "gaming media" scores are too high. AAA games never reach lower than 7/10, and not because they're good, because they're AAA games.

Sadly true. I honestly can't think of one big game that has been rated lower then 7, hell zeldaTP was a 8.5 on gamepot and they got all sorts of crap from fans yelling that it should be a 9.

[Well]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

And yet the fanboys seem to think it.

And why do you care if Person X decides to respond to your posts out of their own free will? You can hide behind "oh, they are just a blind fanboy" all you want, but all that does is foster a lack of conversation in the forums.

Well there are too many folks that if you say something negative about the game then your a nerd..or it because it isnt like BG.It goes both ways.If you have a opinion for or against there shouldnt be any labeling.

Modifié par Well, 24 mars 2011 - 04:36 .

[Greig91]

Cody211282 wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I vote that this score was suposed to be a shocker and get the guy more interest. Sucessfull troll. Another thing is that all the "gaming media" scores are too high. AAA games never reach lower than 7/10, and not because they're good, because they're AAA games.

Sadly true. I honestly can't think of one big game that has been rated lower then 7, hell zeldaTP was a 8.5 on gamepot and they got all sorts of crap from fans yelling that it should be a 9.

The ratings system with professional reviews now is basically just between 7 and 9.8 now. 7 is bad, 8 is average, 9 is good, 9.8 means that the game is probably above average but is being deliberately hyped in order to boost it's sales for whatever reason. 10 doesn't really exist anymore, 9.8 is the new 10. 9.8 says "this game is perfect in every way, buy it. But we didn't get payed off to say that, honest. If we had then surely we'd have given it a 10?..".

[Coldest]

I didn't even need to see the score of 2.5 to give this review a 10.

[KingDan97]

Let me just say, reading his reviews he's just whining. He went through the entire review without sayign one positive. Can you honestly say that there are NO redeeming qualities to Dragon Age 2? If you can than apparently you have ridiculously high standards and will never even date a woman because they don't look like a photoshopped super model.

Another point, he put 22 hours into this game. That tells me he rushed through Act 1 and skipped all side-quests and conversations with companions beyond that to the sole end of saying he "finished" the game. This is not a 20 hour game, it is 40 at least, because the side quests are part of the game. Just because he thinks that every game should be played like Halo and rushed straight through to the end doesn't mean it should.

Of course, he's clearly a troll on the levels of Armond White. He's just being contrarian so that he can get more hits on his site and therefore more profit from the advertisers on it.

Disagree if you like, I won't be looking at this nonsense thread again anyway.

[orpheus333]

Vormaerin wrote...

*laughs* I might give that kind of score to the various games that are released and just don't work, period. But a game that works quite well? I might as well go play Call of Duty and give it a 2 out of 10, because I just don't like that kind of game.

A game needs to be seriously dysfunctional for an honest reviewer to give it a score that low.

I don't agree with this a broken or bugged game shouldn't be released. Period.  Lets use the 1/10 scale on games that are actually playable.

[RohanD]

Greig91 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Think about the score as a ratio. 2.5/10 = 25/100 = 1/4 = 1:4

So if I say I liked 1 out of every 4 aspects of the game, I would say that is completely accurate. For every 1 thing that I liked, there were 3 things I hated. So that is 1/4 which is 25/100 which is 2.5/10. 

When you think about scores in this way (which is actually what they are meant to represent) the high scores this game got quickly become more ridiculous than 2.5/10. 

I don't think it is overly negative AT ALL. I think it is actually honest and fair and I felt exactly the same way about the game. 

Oh give me a break. How can you not see the flaw in that logic? Let's flip this around for a second. Let's say there's a game that has three things I like and one thing that I dislike, that means it scores 7.5/10? What if the one thing I dislike about it is that it stops working half way through and corrupts your hard drive? Does it still score a 7.5/10? No. It doesn't. So do yourself a favour and dispense with the pre-school logic.

I have no doubt that you believe this review to be fair, and I neither know nor care why. You're allowed to believe that it's fair. But I'm just telling you right now that as far as your justification for believing that goes, you're clutching at straws.

No actually, your understanding of what the score is meant to reflect is flawed because you are too used to seeing games get 8/10, 9/10 and, laughably so, 10/10!! 

7.5/10 for a game is a good LOGICAL score. The problem is we have gotten so far down the path of paid, rubbish reviews, that the scores don't mean anything anymore. 

RARELY have I played a game and agreed with the high rating that reviewers gave it. I generally agree with the premise behind the reviews, and by this I mean that if a game gets a 9/10, it's usually something I will like, but this isn't always the case. I hate GTA for example, just not my kind of thing.

What I am saying is, if you think about it in a logical fashion, and understand what the score is actually meant to represent, you'll soon realize that 8/10, or 9/10 is just stupid for most games. 

Modifié par RohanD, 24 mars 2011 - 04:50 .

[Cody211282]

Greig91 wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I vote that this score was suposed to be a shocker and get the guy more interest. Sucessfull troll. Another thing is that all the "gaming media" scores are too high. AAA games never reach lower than 7/10, and not because they're good, because they're AAA games.

Sadly true. I honestly can't think of one big game that has been rated lower then 7, hell zeldaTP was a 8.5 on gamepot and they got all sorts of crap from fans yelling that it should be a 9.

The ratings system with professional reviews now is basically just between 7 and 9.8 now. 7 is bad, 8 is average, 9 is good, 9.8 means that the game is probably above average but is being deliberately hyped in order to boost it's sales for whatever reason. 10 doesn't really exist anymore, 9.8 is the new 10. 9.8 says "this game is perfect in every way, buy it. But we didn't get payed off to say that, honest. If we had then surely we'd have given it a 10?..".

Gamespot and the escapiest hand out 10s rather easily now adays.

[HTTP 404]

Im sorry OP, I just couldnt get past the title to read the article, too off putting (rather stab my eyes). Im sure it was great.

[lazysuperstar]

 wanted to read it fully but this :

HIGH A brief (and fictitious) mid-game scene description from Varric.

LOW Everything else.

made it very very clear that it is a very biased review. Also he completed it in 22 hrs.. seems to have written to please those who hate the game imo

Modifié par lazysuperstar, 24 mars 2011 - 04:52 .

[RohanD]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Im sorry OP, I just couldnt get past the title to read the article, too off putting (rather stab my eyes). Im sure it was great.

Pointless post is pointless.

[AntiChri5]

How can you determine if something is good without already knowing whether you like it or not?

Are you saying that the values of the game should be placed about personal taste?

Critics, reviewers, they are paid to give their opinions. They have this job because presumably, they can put words together, and they are knowledgable on the subject matter.

After that they can do what they want imo. They are not "required" to talk about the good and bad parts of the game equally, this is something people have gotten used to because publishers put pressure on reviewers by threatening to pull advertising etc.,

He didn't like it. He hated it. He gave it a 2.5. I don't think you have any right to say that is absurd and he can't do his job properly. His job is to give an opinion and he did. 

You can disagree with it sure, but don't say it is "absurd" and he is incompetent. He clearly isn't, he played the game and reiterates many claims/criticisms that have been provided by other reviewers as well. 

It is a critics job to seperate personal preference from determinations of quality.

An RPG fan who rates a racing game lower because he didn't like it as much as an RPG is failing at his job, since he is supposed to judge the game on it's own merits.

Critics are not hired because they can "put words together" everyone with a properly functioning brain can do that, a critic is supposed to be more.

A review that does not list both the positive and negative aspects is also a failure, as it is misleading.

His job is not merely to give an opinon, every **** has an opinion, a reviewer is supposed to give their opinions and make a determination of quality. This "review" is as useless as a youtube comment.

[RohanD]

AntiChri5 wrote...

How can you determine if something is good without already knowing whether you like it or not?

Are you saying that the values of the game should be placed about personal taste?

Critics, reviewers, they are paid to give their opinions. They have this job because presumably, they can put words together, and they are knowledgable on the subject matter.

After that they can do what they want imo. They are not "required" to talk about the good and bad parts of the game equally, this is something people have gotten used to because publishers put pressure on reviewers by threatening to pull advertising etc.,

He didn't like it. He hated it. He gave it a 2.5. I don't think you have any right to say that is absurd and he can't do his job properly. His job is to give an opinion and he did. 

You can disagree with it sure, but don't say it is "absurd" and he is incompetent. He clearly isn't, he played the game and reiterates many claims/criticisms that have been provided by other reviewers as well. 

It is a critics job to seperate personal preference from determinations of quality.

An RPG fan who rates a racing game lower because he didn't like it as much as an RPG is failing at his job, since he is supposed to judge the game on it's own merits.

Critics are not hired because they can "put words together" everyone with a properly functioning brain can do that, a critic is supposed to be more.

A review that does not list both the positive and negative aspects is also a failure, as it is misleading.

His job is not merely to give an opinon, every **** has an opinion, a reviewer is supposed to give their opinions and make a determination of quality. This "review" is as useless as a youtube comment.

He reviewed it. He gave it a 2.5. He didn't give it a 0. 

He said he liked some thing that Varric did, and that's it. He hated it. You disagree.

This is all good, but you cannot call his review invalid because you disagree with him, which is essentially what you are doing. 

[HTTP 404]

RohanD wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Im sorry OP, I just couldnt get past the title to read the article, too off putting (rather stab my eyes). Im sure it was great.

Pointless post is pointless.

thanks, forrest

[Gel214th]

LOL!

Completely disagree with this "review". Who did bioware not pay off to be getting hit with this kind of bad press from the gaming "news" sites?

I am in Act 2 and having a blast with this game. I love the characters, the graphics and the new combat system. The system just feels right to me. I think that Mage cooldowns could have been shorter, but I play on the PC So people just went ahead and modded the cooldowns to what I think they should be. Voila.

I am using the Hi Res Texture packs and everything just looks fantastic. I don't know what the heck people are talking about where the graphics are concerned. The detail on the faces...everything is just what we've seen before from BIOWARE.

The Quests are numerous and they all fit together in the context of the city. The voice acting...beautiful! And some of the character stories leave me caring for the characters and *feeling* what they are going through a lot more than other Bioware games.

Dragon Age II lived up to expectations for me, and I think it's one of the best RPGs I've played!

[Monsteroids]

So this is supposed to change my perception and enjoyment of Dragon Age 2, how?

[Mad-Max90]

RohanD wrote...

Many people praise psychos?

What planet are you from?

The score is harsh, but the words carry great meaning and depth. Read them, then read the comments. Many people agree with the review.

From what I remember Hitler was pretty popular in germany for a little while:whistle:

but on topic, I think his review was WAY out of line and downright childish, he gave it a low ranking score just to circulate a little buzz on their website, because I've seen horrid games get a better score than that, oh and I love how any comments on that site have to go get reviewed first as to not look to bad for them.