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[Guaicow]

 Seriously.
I'm sure this has been said before but i'm positive ill get some "HURRA's!" around here.
it's perfecly reasonable for mages not being able to wear armor and all that but why do they need to look like a priest in an long dress?

can't cloth stuff be cooler, with pants and all?

in DA 2, mages are a lot more combative and stuff (the staff attack animation is awesome!) but doing that in a dress just makes it all look pretty lame.

the coolness goes down the sink.

I find the mage class the coolest of them all, but in origins, i had to play as arcane warrior or i wouldn't stand being in a goofy looking dress throughout the game.

[Zanallen]

You don't have to. There are a number of non-robe outfits, including the champion's outfit and some kind of pirate thing.

[elearon1]

They do take a while to get, though. I'm in the deep roads now and still wearing the outfit I started the chapter in - that sleeveless mercenary thing - because I haven't found anything else which maintains the character's tough persona. (which means I'm about 30 or more armor points lower than I should be for my level ... but I'll sacrifice protection for characterization every time ... also why I almost never wear helmets in games without "hide" toggles)

[Vormaerin]

Its like Varric says when Fenris asks him his opinion on the mage vs templar thing: "They are both a bunch of humans in skirts. I can't tell them apart."

Anyway, quite bored of the whole "robe is a dress" thing. They aren't the same. Not to mention there are many cultures where the men traditionally wore some kind of wrap around skirt type attire and they'd be perfectly happy to demonstrate their knives are not ornamental if you decided they were unmanly because of it.

[Guaicow]

Vormaerin wrote...

Its like Varric says when Fenris asks him his opinion on the mage vs templar thing: "They are both a bunch of humans in skirts. I can't tell them apart."

Anyway, quite bored of the whole "robe is a dress" thing. They aren't the same. Not to mention there are many cultures where the men traditionally wore some kind of wrap around skirt type attire and they'd be perfectly happy to demonstrate their knives are not ornamental if you decided they were unmanly because of it.

i'm not discussing culture, nor trying to state that robe is in fact a dress, i oversimplificated to emphacize my wrath.

the point is, they look bad and uncool.

[Merci357]

"Mages wear robes" is one of those tropes I'd love to see go away.

[Vormaerin]

Robes can look cool. If they don't, that's a flaw in their design, not the concept. Anyway, its pretty obvious that apostates /shouldn't/ be wearing robes because that's just a give away. Circle mages having relatively impractical, academic style garb is fine. The only reason you wear robes on your mage is because robes are the only items that the Tranquil bother to enchant with pro mage bonuses. Since they are controlled by the Circles, not the apostates.

[Cutlass Jack]

Mages walking around with 6ft staves in a world where they're illegal is something I'd love to see go away. Apostates really need to start packing concealed wands or something...

[Randomactss]

This reminds me of a certin old WoW music video..



But according to Anders they are confortable and functional.

Modifié par Randomactss, 24 mars 2011 - 12:33 .

[Guaicow]

Vormaerin wrote...

Robes can look cool. If they don't, that's a flaw in their design, not the concept. Anyway, its pretty obvious that apostates /shouldn't/ be wearing robes because that's just a give away. Circle mages having relatively impractical, academic style garb is fine. The only reason you wear robes on your mage is because robes are the only items that the Tranquil bother to enchant with pro mage bonuses. Since they are controlled by the Circles, not the apostates.

ok just as you could easily come up with an explanation for that, i could easily come up with a "pro pants" one.
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for instance: Dwarves, who apart from tranquil are those who work with enchantment, because of the chantry's lack of influence on them, could be the top suppliers of gear to apostates.

Because of their need to blend in, apostates would favor clothing that would not, at any rate, make them look like spellcaster.
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you see? making up an explanation is easy,

the fact of the matter is: robes (not always but in the majority of times) are uncool, ugly and lame.

Modifié par Guaicow, 24 mars 2011 - 12:38 .

[Guaicow]

Randomactss wrote...

This reminds me of a certin old WoW music video..



But according to Anders they are confortable and functional.

the topic title was inspired on that.

that song is not only good but sir, it speaks the truth (i must say, tho, that wow spellcaster gear looks cool from BC forth).

Modifié par Guaicow, 24 mars 2011 - 12:41 .

[Vormaerin]

Guaicow wrote...

ok just as you could easily come up with an explanation for that, i could easily come up with a "pro pants" one..

I'm not saying that the developers couldn't have made different choices.  I'm saying the only reason *your character* has to wear robes is because you are greedy for bonuses.   And those bonuses are the best on robes.  

Do you have any in game evidence of dwarves making enchanted clothes, much less enchanted clothes designed t enhance magical prowess (of which they have none?).   That's a pretty lame market:  psychotic criminals of other races....  I bet there are hundreds of dwarves lining up to import cloth, enchant it and reexport it to these criminals...

[Guaicow]

Vormaerin wrote...

Guaicow wrote...

ok just as you could easily come up with an explanation for that, i could easily come up with a "pro pants" one..

I'm not saying that the developers couldn't have made different choices.  I'm saying the only reason *your character* has to wear robes is because you are greedy for bonuses.   And those bonuses are the best on robes.  

Do you have any in game evidence of dwarves making enchanted clothes, much less enchanted clothes designed t enhance magical prowess (of which they have none?).   That's a pretty lame market:  psychotic criminals of other races....  I bet there are hundreds of dwarves lining up to import cloth, enchant it and reexport it to these criminals...

first: Im not hungry for bonuses, I just think it's stupid to have to wear the stuff I get right at the beggining of the game through half of it because the rest looks awful.

second: you are making a completely crazy assumption that all, or at least the majority of apostates are maleficars which is completely untrue.

third: From what we have seen of the dwarven mind, they don't care all that much about their client's intentions or criminal record if there is coin involved.

wrapping up: I couldn't care less about the possible explanation behind the predominancy of robes, all i'm saying is that it can be changed and it should because people play dragon age because the game enables you to act and be the ultimate badass. The badassness however is severely hindered by the need to wear robes.

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I would actually prefer it if the robes looked like they had somesort of flexible armor property, similar to a metallic reinforcement that makes the robe look practical for combat as well as traveling.

[Vormaerin]

Just being apostate is illegal. Being maleficar is a capital crime. And I didn't say that dwarves would care about who bought their stuff. I said that because it becomes prohibitively expensive to export goods if there is no legal market for them. How easily is Mr. Dwarf Tailor going actually find enough apostates to keep him in business?

As for the coolness, that's subjective. All that elaborate finery was considered really bad ass for the medieval mages of our world. And its only for Act I anyway. After that, you can wear your "Finery" and in Act III there are other non robe options.

[Maria Caliban]

Mages suck.

[Ryzaki]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mages suck.

Pfft. 

Keep hatin'. 

[mellifera]

Because robes are comfy and easy to wear.

Also, I refuse to support the oppressive, tyrannical pants regime.

Modifié par yukidama, 24 mars 2011 - 01:08 .

[Spartansfan8888]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Mages walking around with 6ft staves in a world where they're illegal is something I'd love to see go away. Apostates really need to start packing concealed wands or something...

They figured that out in Origins and then decided to put big blades on them to pass them off as polearms

[Guaicow]

Vormaerin wrote...

Just being apostate is illegal. Being maleficar is a capital crime. And I didn't say that dwarves would care about who bought their stuff. I said that because it becomes prohibitively expensive to export goods if there is no legal market for them. How easily is Mr. Dwarf Tailor going actually find enough apostates to keep him in business?

As for the coolness, that's subjective. All that elaborate finery was considered really bad ass for the medieval mages of our world. And its only for Act I anyway. After that, you can wear your "Finery" and in Act III there are other non robe options.

Who said anything about export? orzammar is only closed in DAO because of the king's death and dispute over the throne. A dwarven tailor could shout out through the common their goods and no chantry ears would ever listen.

Again tho, this discussion is pointless, the robes aren't predominant because of a lore based concept. They are there because the developers decided so.

And as much as i agree that "coolness" is subjective, i'm sure the majority of users will tend to share my point of view.

Sincerely, i don't think that they chose the final outfit to be a ultrabadass "nonrobe" because they think robes are as cool, nor they put it in the "destiny" trailer because they don't think that type of outfit is more inspiring and... well... cool!

XD

Modifié par Guaicow, 24 mars 2011 - 01:14 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Filament wrote...

At least Rock Armor makes your mage look pretty manly regardless of what outfit he's in.

Of course, if you have a female mage maybe that's not so great.

Actually I thought Rock Armor improved Merril's appearance. Made her look a little less starving-waif-like and actually dangerous.

[hakwea]

Zanallen wrote...

You don't have to. There are a number of non-robe outfits, including the champion's outfit and some kind of pirate thing.

The problem is acquiring those items. I've stopped my playthrough as a mage at act 3 until a patch that fixes merrils bugs (just to be safe even if nothing is missed by seeing things early). And I didn't find that many non-robe robes that had great stats. And during act one I wouldn't have the coin to afford a "buy and try it on" since you can't preivew its look in the store (to the best of my knowledge).

Also it begs the question why are templars and kirkwall so stupid? If all mages were the same getup, why isn't hawke captured right away despite being known for using magic and wearing "mage only" garb. Playing as a mage brings about so many failings in the story.  It isn't until later in the game that you get a free pass, but even then it is just kinda stupid given the whole story of the game.

Honestly if there is one thing that they should have brought in from Mass Effect franchise it was the main character outfit system. Instead of having us find items have us unlock that items model. Even then the black emporium should have feature that as a feature instead of the silly ability to change your characters face. Sure include that to, but I get it right the first time, and not much reason to change it since you don't age between the acts to require a need to change.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Come to the dark side.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 24 mars 2011 - 01:22 .

[Vormaerin]

Guaicow wrote...

Again tho, this discussion is pointless, the robes aren't predominant because of a lore based concept. They are there because the developers decided so.

There's a difference between the lore and 'the developers said so'?  

Guaicow wrote...

And as much as i agree that "coolness" is subjective, i'm sure the majority of users will tend to share my point of view.

XD

Yes, most people like to think that.