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[Shadow of Sparta]

Okay,this is kind of related to all the recent criticism of Dragon Age 2 so bear with me.Bioware has encountered quite a bit of negaivity (some of which they were not expecting) for the changes made to the game and now i feel as though the pressure is on for ME3.First of all, i know they're different games but from what comments i've seen particularly on this forum, Bioware's reputation is at stake with some of the fans.Maybe i'm reading too much into it but that's the vibe i'm getting.I know ME fans are really looking forward to the next installment but there wasn't any real pressure on the ME team.The second was arguably better than the first so we all expect them to continue working with fan feedback to make an excellent finale to the trilogy.Right?However,i do get the feeling that there are now more scrutinous eyes on the next thing Bioware release to see if they can appease or cater to the hurt fans (though you can't please everyone) and try and save their deteriorating reputation in the eyes of those fans.So in closing,do you think there is now added pressure on Bioware?Is the pressure fair?Are the expectations now ridiculously high?Am i being silly?Let me hear your views.

[Gongon11]

i dont get why people keep automatically thinking just cause dragon age 2 wasnt as good as it should be doesnt mean me3 will be as bad, they are two different teams, and the me has been working on me3 few months before me2 was released i believe, pretty much 2 years in development

[Inquisitor Recon]

I haven't bought DA2 yet so I can't comment about the game's quality. Yet I strongly believe they shouldn't make the ME series more like DA2.

[Rivercurse]

I would be trite and consider telling you to use the search function, but frankly you could probably pick any topic posted here since DA2 came out and your post would fit in just fine.

My opinion is that there's no pressure on Bioware whatsoever. ME1 was awesome and highly reviewed and rated. ME2 was even better, and even more highly reviewed and rated. DA2 was made by a completely seperate team. Why should fans be worried about ME3 because of what happened to DA2?

[Kandid001]

Already discussed to death.

In short, different teams work on DA and ME, also don't expect radical changes in ME3 like DA:O to DA2.

[Tarek]

well sure Bioware makes lots of cash from games BUT in our current economy a hundred million is not that much for a big software company, and with EA breathing down their necks Bioware are definitely feeling the "pressure".
pressure from fans is good actually because it keeps them sharp, and it helps them make a better game, take Blizzard for example, they consider that fans are everything and you know what they are right, we buy the game, we support communities that like the game, we talk about it, advertise it to friends, play it, point out bugs and mistakes....etc

of course we should not go crazy over little mistakes (like planet scanning) but we should let them know that it needs improving or cutting.

as long as they hear feed back from fans things will go well.

[Lee337]

Gongon11 wrote...

i dont get why people keep automatically thinking just cause dragon age 2 wasnt as good as it should be doesnt mean me3 will be as bad, they are two different teams, and the me has been working on me3 few months before me2 was released i believe, pretty much 2 years in development

Not only that but the game has already been outlined from the start of the trilogy, so unlike DA2 they aren't starting from scatch with the concept and story. That will save a lot of time so I think 2 years is reasonable.

[Shadow of Sparta]

i apologize for my stupidity.please ignore this thread if it has been discussed already.i am ashamed and apologize for wasting your time.i take these things seriously and hate to disappoint people.again i am an idiot and i am sorry.

[JG The Gamer]

I'm going to say yes and no. The complaining on here comprises all in all of a very, very loud minority. Like in politics, you can't please everyone. There's going to be some that love what you do, and others that will call for your blood. The bloodthirsty ones generally lurk this forum.

Secondly, the BioWare team that did Dragon Age 2 are going to have a ton of pressure on them. Unlike the VVLM (very, very loud minority) that whined about Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2 left a ton to be desired. The team that did Mass Effect 2 are probably getting steak dinners all around for their hard work and may possibly be getting crushed under all the awards Mass Effect 2 picked off. Because Mass Effect 2 picked off a ton of awards, there is rightfully so a lot of pressure for Mass Effect 3 to repeat or do better than Mass Effect 2 did.

To say their reputation is deteriorating is spending too much time following the cynics on this forum and not being able to formulate one's own opinion because the VVLM is just that: so loud other opinions are shouted down. The fact that their games generally get A's across the board shows that BioWare is among the top game-making studios in North America and probably the world. Obviously the pressure is on, but to say their reputation is deteriorating is ridiculous and shows cynicism.

[Shadow of Sparta]

JG The Gamer wrote...

I'm going to say yes and no. The complaining on here comprises all in all of a very, very loud minority. Like in politics, you can't please everyone. There's going to be some that love what you do, and others that will call for your blood. The bloodthirsty ones generally lurk this forum.

Secondly, the BioWare team that did Dragon Age 2 are going to have a ton of pressure on them. Unlike the VVLM (very, very loud minority) that whined about Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2 left a ton to be desired. The team that did Mass Effect 2 are probably getting steak dinners all around for their hard work and may possibly be getting crushed under all the awards Mass Effect 2 picked off. Because Mass Effect 2 picked off a ton of awards, there is rightfully so a lot of pressure for Mass Effect 3 to repeat or do better than Mass Effect 2 did.

To say their reputation is deteriorating is spending too much time following the cynics on this forum and not being able to formulate one's own opinion because the VVLM is just that: so loud other opinions are shouted down. The fact that their games generally get A's across the board shows that BioWare is among the top game-making studios in North America and probably the world. Obviously the pressure is on, but to say their reputation is deteriorating is ridiculous and shows cynicism.

i said their reputation was deteriorating in the eyes of the disappointed fans,not mine (my personal view on that was not given.note the fact i said 'some of their fans' i.e.a minority.i resent the inclination that i cannot formulate my own opinion.i apologize if my wording is unclear or my view is silly.

Modifié par Shadow of Sparta, 24 mars 2011 - 12:48 .

[The Shadow Broker]

Of course there must be preasure, they are probably making the most awaited sequel and the fans are expecting the most epic game ever build.
After many many negative changes to his predecessor, DA 2 was a dissapointment in many aspects for many people, and fans dont want ME franchise to follow that same downhill path.
I dont want them to rush, lazy paste copy sets, limited chats world and customization.. and overall less deep just to add flash action moves.

I have faith, DA2 critisism was good wakeup call for bioware and those guys can learn from their mistakes & climb back to the top and shut mouths with ME3.

[Silmane]

Rivercurse wrote...

I would be trite and consider telling you to use the search function, but frankly you could probably pick any topic posted here since DA2 came out and your post would fit in just fine.

My opinion is that there's no pressure on Bioware whatsoever. ME1 was awesome and highly reviewed and rated. ME2 was even better, and even more highly reviewed and rated. DA2 was made by a completely seperate team. Why should fans be worried about ME3 because of what happened to DA2?

I'm not 100% on this, but I think the search function is...gone.

[Rivercurse]

Silmane wrote...

Rivercurse wrote...

I would be trite and consider telling you to use the search function, but frankly you could probably pick any topic posted here since DA2 came out and your post would fit in just fine.

My opinion is that there's no pressure on Bioware whatsoever. ME1 was awesome and highly reviewed and rated. ME2 was even better, and even more highly reviewed and rated. DA2 was made by a completely seperate team. Why should fans be worried about ME3 because of what happened to DA2?

I'm not 100% on this, but I think the search function is...gone.

Well, it certainly aint where it used to be
Perhaps they're finally gonna replace it with one that sorts topics with the most recent results first rather than the other way around?

[chucktheduck]

Depends, if its different teams, then ME3 shouldn't be hurt. But if its a collaboration, then yes, pressure is on the team to get the most playability into the game while preserving its authenticity.

[Terror_K]

The problem is BioWare's current attitude to RPGs and their obsession with "streamlining" and branching out to the mainstream more, possibly linked to them being part of EA now (after all, a few sources said that EA was pushing them to get out DA2 quickly). ME2 already suffered the same issues that DA2 did, but it wasn't quite as much of a jarring leap because Mass Effect was always an action-RPG with TPS elements as opposed to being something that started off as a hardcore full-on RPG with PC as the lead platform and becoming a console-driven over-the-top action RPG with the sequel. Still, I personally thought ME2 should have got the same reaction that Deus Ex 2 and DA2 got from fans, and yet it mysteriously didn't (well... nowhere near to the same extent, with those disappointed in a minority, unlike DE2 and DA2).

So, as far as I'm concerned, ME2 already suffered from the same issues, but was simply more accepted because it wasn't as much of a deviation. Whether ME3 does depends on whether BioWare can pull their heads out of their own rear-ends and admit to making mistakes and start strengthening the RPG mechanics again and get over this silly obsession with mainstreamlining their games and trying to make them all into these shallow modern Hollywood blockbuster style affairs. There have been claims that the RPG factors will be stronger in ME3, but the proof will be in the pudding. And I'm not really a big fan of the lead designer's philosophy and the lead writer's tendency to screw up canon and so readily push it aside to be "awesome and badass!" etc.

Modifié par Terror_K, 24 mars 2011 - 09:01 .

[marshalleck]

Terror_K wrote...

The problem is BioWare's current attitude to RPGs and their obsession with "streamlining" and branching out to the mainstream more, possibly linked to them being part of EA now (after all, a few sources said that EA was pushing them to get out DA2 quickly). ME2 already suffered the same issues that DA2 did, but it wasn't quite as much of a jarring leap because Mass Effect was always an action-RPG with TPS elements as opposed to being something that started off as a hardcore full-on RPG with PC as the lead platform and becoming a console-driven other-the-top action RPG with the sequel. Still, I personally thought ME2 should have got the same reaction that Deus Ex 2 and DA2 got from fans, and yet it mysteriously didn't (well... nowhere near to the same extent, with those disappointed in a minority, unlike DE2 and DA2).

So, as far as I'm concerned, ME2 already suffered from the same issues, but was simply more accepted because it wasn't as much of a deviation. Whether ME3 does depends on whether BioWare can pull their heads out of their own rear-ends and admit to making mistakes and start strengthening the RPG mechanics again and get over this silly obsession with mainstreamlining their games and trying to make them all into these shallow modern Hollywood blockbuster style affairs. There have been claims that the RPG factors will be stronger in ME3, but the proof will be in the pudding. And I'm not really a big fan of the lead designer's philosophy and the lead writer's tendency to screw up canon and so readily push it aside to be "awesome and badass!" etc.

Excellent post, especially the comparisons between DA2 and ME2 and the public perception of and reaction to the changes made in each game. Bioware took essentially the same approach to each game, but got both praised and villified for it.

Also, I think it's absurd for people to say "don't expect big changes in ME3." The critical success of ME2 will just 100% validate for the bean-counters and suits (i.e. those who make the decisions but have no artistic/creative vision of their own) that taking the gameplay in a Gears of War style TPS direction was a good decision, and moving further down that route will only increase sales. Which is probably why Bioware was interested in hiring a multiplayer-oriented developer to explore the possibility of multiplayer implementations in the Mass Effect IP. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 mars 2011 - 08:47 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Terror_K wrote...

So, as far as I'm concerned, ME2 already suffered from the same issues, but was simply more accepted because it wasn't as much of a deviation.

The only aspect where BioWare really came through that hardly anyone could deny was making ME2 a motley collection of 14 character-driven short stories. And everybody had a character or two to completely fall in love with, (myself included, BTW). So all the critisism for ME2 was drowned if the sheer hugeness of the amount of the character fanboyism. Even the message on the planet scanning seems to have had some trouble with delivering itself to Casey Hudson.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 24 mars 2011 - 09:05 .

[TwistedComplex]

That said. DA2 wasn't rushed

They just spent too much time on the wrong things

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 24 mars 2011 - 10:44 .

[Lee337]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

So, as far as I'm concerned, ME2 already suffered from the same issues, but was simply more accepted because it wasn't as much of a deviation.

The only aspect where BioWare really came through that hardly anyone could deny was making ME2 a motley collection of 14 character-driven short stories. And everybody had a character or two to completely fall in love with, (myself included, BTW). So all the critisism for ME2 was drowned if the sheer hugeness of the amount of the character fanboyism. Even the message on the planet scanning seems to have had some trouble with delivering itself to Casey Hudson.

I think the critism is actually from a loud minority, won't name names *cough*Zulu*cough*. The hugely positve reviews, as well as user reviews being very poistive with very very few negatives and the huge amounts of awards point to this not simply a mass of fanboys drowning it out. There just isn't much to drown.

[FDrage]

Lee337 wrote...

I think the critism is actually from a loud minority, [...]

Critisim is always just from a "loud Minority" ... easier to deal with that way ...

[Lee337]

FDrage wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

I think the critism is actually from a loud minority, [...]

Critisim is always just from a "loud Minority" ... easier to deal with that way ...

I'm not so sure about DA2 though. Professional reviews are good but not great like most BW titles and the user reviews are terrible, at least on metacritic. So even though the critism in these forums is loud, it might not be the minority.

[Jebel Krong]

Shadow of Sparta wrote...

we all expect them to continue working with fan feedback to make an excellent finale to the trilogy.

that right there is the problem, particularly forum members have: an inflated sense of their own importance.

[GFX1989]

I think Mass Effect 3 should be a hybrid between ME1 & ME2. What I mean by that, is bring the leveling system form the first game and bring the shooting from the second. I would be very happy if that happened. Now about Bioware pissing people off. I am a PS3 gamer, and from my perspective, Bioware seems to not care about us PS3 people at all. Every Bioware game for the PS3 has a lot of technical problems and right now Bioware has stopped all communication with us for over a month. Everyone is asking what is going on, we want to know if there's a patch coming or not, Bioware is silent. I don't care how good the games are, I'm not going to buy them if your not going to talk to your customers.

[piemanz]

Lee337 wrote...

FDrage wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

I think the critism is actually from a loud minority, [...]

Critisim is always just from a "loud Minority" ... easier to deal with that way ...

I'm not so sure about DA2 though. Professional reviews are good but not great like most BW titles and the user reviews are terrible, at least on metacritic. So even though the critism in these forums is loud, it might not be the minority.

I think it's fair to say with ME2 it's the loud minority.I mean we are talking about a game that has a metacritic score of 94 and has won multiple GOTY awards, and you'll be hard pushed to find a user score of below 9 on any site.

You also have to remember that people usually only come on a forum when they have something to moan about.I expect the majority of ME2 players have never even posted on this forum.Most normal people played the game, enjoyed it and moved on.

I'm not saying theres not some valid points made, just that it definatly seem like the minority to me.

Modifié par piemanz, 24 mars 2011 - 11:24 .