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[Kusy]

Let's face it... there are only two companies in the present state of gaming industry that know how to make series. It's Ubisoft with their Assasin's creed (honestly - Brotherhood is the best sequel to date, finaly someone got it right when it comes to making sequels) and Rockstar with pretty much any of their games, they're all GTA and they keep getting better every time one shows up.

[Zulu_DFA]

To illustrate my previous point.



LEGEND

Yellow: Meh... but will buy next game.

Green: Wow! will buy next game.

Red: WTF? Won't buy next game.

Blue: Didn't buy any previous game, but buying next one 'cuz o' hype.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 26 mars 2011 - 04:49 .

[TelexFerra]

The rEApers turned Bioware into BiowEAr

[RainyDayLover]

^ Whats the variable on the x-axis?

[Zulu_DFA]

Sold copies

[RainyDayLover]

Ah, I see...but why are there multiple bars for each game?

[Zulu_DFA]

RainyDayLover wrote...

Ah, I see...but why are there multiple bars for each game?

What do you mean "multiple"?

The upper bar is the same as the lower minus the red sector (the quitters).

[Eradyn]

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

I could be wrong, but I think, now don't quote me, that Ray Muzkya said Mass Effect 3 is a "great entry point into the series"

Again, I could be wrong, but if that's what he said, well I'm scared. :'(

Yes, Stoney, that is what he said.  That is, indeed, what he said.

I'm with TerrorK on this one, guys, and I agree with everything they've posted here. 

Even though they're two different development teams (DA vs ME), the reality is they are guided by a different unifying philosophical principle which is held by this new BW than what was practiced by the older BW.  This is not the BW of Badlur's Gate, KOTOR, or even DA:O and ME1.  This is a new beast in old clothing.  Some people are going to like that...others, like myself, are not.  That's the way it is.

ME3 will likely be the final game I purchase from BW, if only because I want to see this series to the end and there are characters I love and I want to see how their stories end.  Aside from this, BW's lost my day 1 purchases.  I'm sure they'll have plenty of new fans to fill the void formed by vacating older fans who are embittered, disillusioned, and/or disappointed.  "Good riddance" some say, but if BW can drop them so easily, don't be surprised if, in the future, they go down an entirely different avenue from what attracted you and leave you hanging as they've apparently done for the current crop.

I could be mistaken, of course.  Maybe the ME3 team will decide to embrace the qualities that endeared themselves to their older fans and ME3 will become the best amalgamation of ME1 and ME2 and become the pinnacle of the ME franchise.  I hope that will be the case, and maybe if they do that I will look more fondly, and less critically, on future BW games.

[MassEffect762]

Eradyn wrote...

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

I could be wrong, but I think, now don't quote me, that Ray Muzkya said Mass Effect 3 is a "great entry point into the series"

Again, I could be wrong, but if that's what he said, well I'm scared. :'(

Yes, Stoney, that is what he said.  That is, indeed, what he said.

I'm with TerrorK on this one, guys, and I agree with everything they've posted here. 

Even though they're two different development teams (DA vs ME), the reality is they are guided by a different unifying philosophical principle which is held by this new BW than what was practiced by the older BW.  This is not the BW of Badlur's Gate, KOTOR, or even DA:O and ME1.  This is a new beast in old clothing.  Some people are going to like that...others, like myself, are not.  That's the way it is.

ME3 will likely be the final game I purchase from BW, if only because I want to see this series to the end and there are characters I love and I want to see how their stories end.  Aside from this, BW's lost my day 1 purchases.  I'm sure they'll have plenty of new fans to fill the void formed by vacating older fans who are embittered, disillusioned, and/or disappointed.  "Good riddance" some say, but if BW can drop them so easily, don't be surprised if, in the future, they go down an entirely different avenue from what attracted you and leave you hanging as they've apparently done for the current crop.

I could be mistaken, of course.  Maybe the ME3 team will decide to embrace the qualities that endeared themselves to their older fans and ME3 will become the best amalgamation of ME1 and ME2 and become the pinnacle of the ME franchise.  I hope that will be the case, and maybe if they do that I will look more fondly, and less critically, on future BW games.

+1

[Fiery Phoenix]

I was born 20 years ago. That is to say, I'm an infant who wears diapers.

*thumbs up if you get the joke*

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 26 mars 2011 - 06:05 .

[Terror_K]

Eradyn wrote...

Even though they're two different development teams (DA vs ME), the reality is they are guided by a different unifying philosophical principle which is held by this new BW than what was practiced by the older BW.  This is not the BW of Badlur's Gate, KOTOR, or even DA:O and ME1.  This is a new beast in old clothing.  Some people are going to like that...others, like myself, are not.  That's the way it is.

ME3 will likely be the final game I purchase from BW, if only because I want to see this series to the end and there are characters I love and I want to see how their stories end.  Aside from this, BW's lost my day 1 purchases.  I'm sure they'll have plenty of new fans to fill the void formed by vacating older fans who are embittered, disillusioned, and/or disappointed.  "Good riddance" some say, but if BW can drop them so easily, don't be surprised if, in the future, they go down an entirely different avenue from what attracted you and leave you hanging as they've apparently done for the current crop.

I could be mistaken, of course.  Maybe the ME3 team will decide to embrace the qualities that endeared themselves to their older fans and ME3 will become the best amalgamation of ME1 and ME2 and become the pinnacle of the ME franchise.  I hope that will be the case, and maybe if they do that I will look more fondly, and less critically, on future BW games.

I have to agree. DA2 lost BioWare their "free pass" from me. ME3 being a Day 1'er will depend mostly on how it looks prior to release. If it just looks like ME2 all over again or looks even worse then I'll wait until it's dirt cheap just to finish it off. Beyond that I'll be looking to those who share my tastes and see what they say with new BioWare games... assuming of course they're not doing pretty much the same as me from here on in.

[FobManX]

GFX1989 wrote...

I think Mass Effect 3 should be a hybrid between ME1 & ME2. What I mean by that, is bring the leveling system form the first game and bring the shooting from the second. I would be very happy if that happened.

Same, this is exactly what I want. Both games were great in their own way, but also had flaws. Combine the best of both and you'll have a truly awesome best of all-time status game.

[Whatever42]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

The complainers about the complainers, who whine about the whiners, and are so quick to invoke the "vocal minority" argument, are just forgetting that they, the ones who actively praise ME2, are also that: a vocal minority, just the one on the other side of the spectrum.

Anybody belonging to the in between 90% was just "Wow@ME2, moving on...", "Meh@ME2, moving on...", or "WTF@ME2, moving on...", and never bothered to post anything on this or any other forum. So the trick is: which game did actually gather more "wows", "mehs" and "WTFs"? And I could bet my rear end that while ME2 might, just might have received more "wows", not the least thanks to the bribed reviews, it definitely beat ME1 by far in the realm of "WTFs". Kinda supported by BioWare's own admission that despite the awesomeness of ME2, about 50% of the players had been failing to complete the game even once in the first half a year upon its release.

According to any someone, every game developer bribes reviewers so all the score are massively inflated. Fortunately, since they're all inflated, it comes out in the wash.

Most games have a low completion percentage. Its the nature of the beast. Bioware uses these metrics to try to make better games. And according the RPG elitists, this is the problem becauase it means Bioware is concentrating on making a better "game" when they're supposed to be creating a traditional RPG experience or some such.

BTW, your chart made little sense. You had ME2 with more of every category - haters, meh, and fanboys. So presuming haters don't buy ME3 (you guys aren't buying ME3, right?) then you shouldn't have a greater number of haters for ME3 unless Bioware does something like try to return to ME1, which isn't likely. Maybe you could clarify that?

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 27 mars 2011 - 04:19 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Terror_K wrote...

Beyond that I'll be looking to those who share my tastes and see what they say with new BioWare games... assuming of course they're not doing pretty much the same as me from here on in.

Lol. I can imagine you BioWare old-timers playing forum games to draw who gets the "honor" of buying the new title to check it out for the rest of you...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Assuming there are new titles from BioWare after ME3. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

[Terror_K]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Lol. I can imagine you BioWare old-timers playing forum games to draw who gets the "honor" of buying the new title to check it out for the rest of you...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Assuming there are new titles from BioWare after ME3. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

BioWare won't die. They'll just abandon their former values and fans more and more as time goes on and just eventually change completely and start popping out generic action games. We'll probably see BioWare's name attached to Call of Duty 15 or some Gears of War title in a decade or so.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm sure there will be new titles not very long following ME3's release. Dragon Age III is the most probable answer: there's already a few hints on it.

[Terror_K]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm sure there will be new titles not very long following ME3's release. Dragon Age III is the most probable answer: there's already a few hints on it.

Yeah, but Laidlaw's probably still in charge. No sale if that's the case. <_<

[Pwener2313]

Terror_K wrote...

BioWare won't die. They'll just abandon their former values and fans more and more as time goes on and just eventually change completely and start popping out generic action games. We'll probably see BioWare's name attached to Call of Duty 15 or some Gears of War title in a decade or so.

Sad but true. Likely a new, fresh and naive company will emerge and take BW's place. Let's just enjoy the time we have until BW sells they're last bit of soul to EA.

[Zulu_DFA]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

According to any someone, every game developer bribes reviewers so all the score are massively inflated.

Wrong. Blizzard never does that. Every game they release is a freaking citybuster bestseller. Yet not all of them even made past 90% at Metacritic. And sure, there always are unhappy people about even Blizzard's sequels. Count me among those too. I could b*cth all day about how with SC2 they sold out to "Transformers" and "Avatar"rubbish and such. But I prefer to play SC2. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that there hasn't been a single bug I encountered over my 5 singleplayer campaign playthroughs and several dozen multiplayer matches.

Speaking of which...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 27 mars 2011 - 04:40 .

[88mphSlayer]

there are a lot more people excited to at least play Mass Effect 3 (for good or bad) than there ever was prior to Mass Effect 2 coming out... Mass Effect 1 really didn't generate a large following, certainly Dragon Age Origins dwarfed ME1 by a pretty huge margin, it was really Mass Effect 2 getting so much positive feedback that translated into sales that the franchise is as high profile as it is now

there was a lot of pressure on Bioware to make Mass Effect a more popular franchise anyways, the changes made are what a lot of people have issues with, but really the pressure on them now is very different - they've proven themselves and made the Mass Effect franchise AAA fall-release blockbuster material, personally i'm going to remain optimistic because of this change in pressure that ME3 will fix a lot of issues fans had with ME2

[Whatever42]

Blizzard releases a new game every 5 years so using them is not a very good metric - the sample size is pretty small.

But here is another counter-point - many EA games do not get 90+, yet if they're buying all the reviewers then they should all get rave reviews. There are hundreds of reviewers and every studio sucks up to them so to suggest that EA just pulled out all the stops for one game is baseless conspiracy.

[Pwener2313]

88mphSlayer wrote...

there are a lot more people excited to at least play Mass Effect 3 (for good or bad) than there ever was prior to Mass Effect 2 coming out... Mass Effect 1 really didn't generate a large following, certainly Dragon Age Origins dwarfed ME1 by a pretty huge margin, it was really Mass Effect 2 getting so much positive feedback that translated into sales that the franchise is as high profile as it is now

there was a lot of pressure on Bioware to make Mass Effect a more popular franchise anyways, the changes made are what a lot of people have issues with, but really the pressure on them now is very different - they've proven themselves and made the Mass Effect franchise AAA fall-release blockbuster material, personally i'm going to remain optimistic because of this change in pressure that ME3 will fix a lot of issues fans had with ME2

Beautiful



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[Whatever42]

88mphSlayer wrote...

there are a lot more people excited to at least play Mass Effect 3 (for good or bad) than there ever was prior to Mass Effect 2 coming out... Mass Effect 1 really didn't generate a large following, certainly Dragon Age Origins dwarfed ME1 by a pretty huge margin, it was really Mass Effect 2 getting so much positive feedback that translated into sales that the franchise is as high profile as it is now

there was a lot of pressure on Bioware to make Mass Effect a more popular franchise anyways, the changes made are what a lot of people have issues with, but really the pressure on them now is very different - they've proven themselves and made the Mass Effect franchise AAA fall-release blockbuster material, personally i'm going to remain optimistic because of this change in pressure that ME3 will fix a lot of issues fans had with ME2

Well said. And there is lots of reasons to be optimistic because as good as ME2 was, there are things that we can all agree can be improved to make the game even better.

[MassEffect762]

88mphSlayer wrote...

there are a lot more people excited to at least play Mass Effect 3 (for good or bad) than there ever was prior to Mass Effect 2 coming out... Mass Effect 1 really didn't generate a large following, certainly Dragon Age Origins dwarfed ME1 by a pretty huge margin, it was really Mass Effect 2 getting so much positive feedback that translated into sales that the franchise is as high profile as it is now

there was a lot of pressure on Bioware to make Mass Effect a more popular franchise anyways, the changes made are what a lot of people have issues with, but really the pressure on them now is very different - they've proven themselves and made the Mass Effect franchise AAA fall-release blockbuster material, personally i'm going to remain optimistic because of this change in pressure that ME3 will fix a lot of issues fans had with ME2

We'll see, no doubt ME2 fans will be pleased.

The story/consequences will make or break this game more than anything imo.

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Modifié par MassEffect762, 27 mars 2011 - 05:08 .